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gankdalf#8991 gankdalf Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 930 Arc User
edited September 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Is it just me or you guys having the same problem as me with salvage? Im sitting here with over 400k rough diamonds and its building up for everyday that goes by. If u are an active player, the salvage is simply a useless function since u can never get your diamonds.

That also means that so many many drops are useless. Also the chest and DD is useless for same reason. And no point of playing dailys for diamonds either.

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  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited September 2013
    Nope.

    I really don't get a lot of astral diamonds to salvage and I am an active player. I do a couple of dailies and get to about 12K a day normally and sometimes buy items off the AH to salvage for other people if I can get a decent deal.

    I haven't the feigntest clue how you have gotten to 400K rough AD. That's not something the average player can do.

    Would it be nice to have a higher refine limit? Sure.
    But truly it's only the elites who suffer from obscene backlog.


    Really it depends if you play for the AD. I play and do dungeons and don't exploit or speed rush. I get one or two bound items a day and daily rewards don't normally exceed 24K (though they can if I play for 10+ hours in a day)
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The refinement is a bit low, but at least they made it an option. With BoP implemented, it is that or sell for gold.
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I can hit my refining cap with Leadership and invocation, on several characters. Maybe not every day, because it depends a little bit on whether the right rare tasks come up at the right times, but if I actually started doing dailies or getting items that all I could do was salvage them, I'd be racking up a surplus.
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  • goddessuniquegoddessunique Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ejziponken wrote: »
    Is it just me or you guys having the same problem as me with salvage? Im sitting here with over 400k rough diamonds and its building up for everyday that goes by. If u are an active player, the salvage is simply a useless function since u can never get your diamonds.

    That also means that so many many drops are useless. Also the chest and DD is useless for same reason. And no point of playing dailys for diamonds either.

    Just 400k RAD? Most of my chars have over 700k RAD and doing dailies and leadership, these numbers are steady rising and 24k daily refine is simply not enough.:(
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  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Just 400k RAD? Most of my chars have over 700k RAD and doing dailies and leadership, these numbers are steady rising and 24k daily refine is simply not enough.:(

    Well, not all of us cleaned out the AH before the August patch. I'm sitting on 50k rough AD. *shrug* Doesn't matter. Easier to farm CN and sell the items on the AH.
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  • endocinendocin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 204 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    I can say normal solo toons don't have this problem. Single toon.;)
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  • dreamhuntressxdreamhuntressx Member Posts: 453 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I find amusing how ppl complain with the 24k RAD cap. Take a look at CO's 8k questionite cap and ull see whats annoying.
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  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    they never know what they got until it's gone!
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,386 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I find amusing how ppl complain with the 24k RAD cap. Take a look at CO's 8k questionite cap and ull see whats annoying.

    It is the same way with the Dilithium refinement cap on Star Trek Online.
  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Got 400K rough ADs as well. Useless. And no, I'm not the elite, I just play the game, do the GG, PvP and Neverember dailies, and salvage chest bound drops as well as seals gear when seals start to clutter the inventory.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'm capped on all 5 alts. It's really very easy to cap out.
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  • axer128axer128 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Yea it really discourages me from even logging in honestly.

    AD is the only real way left to advance my character, yet there are no avenues to gain it on my main character - only rough AD.

    And you don't have to an "elite" to hit the cap. Hell I don't even have to log in anymore to hit to hit the cap.

    Once you get your leadership to 20, unlock about 6 slots and have a decent amount of workers, you can hit that ad cap every day, without even logging in. I've got all 9 slots unlocked, but only have to run 6 to hit my cap, so the other 3 are used to get me some alchemy potions, and level my 5th profession.

    I've barely played the last few weeks - at most i've done the pvp daily a few days a week, no other ones, and I've never dropped below 100k rough ad either.

    Would be nice if they gave me some reason to log in, some way to advance. But nope, i've hit the wall now and it's sadly over:
    - Just finished my fomorian legend set, so back to best in slot on everything. (even have a full alternate dungeon set, and pvp set)
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    I think NW and really almost every new mmo developers could learn a ton by looking back at some of the older ones, ones which offer truely unlimited character advancement, in meaningful and interesting ways. One of the best thats still going today is one of the oldest too - Asherons Call. It has such a huge and massive variety of interesting ways to advance your character that you can never truely hit a wall, even several years in.
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  • mcflipmcflip Member Posts: 92
    edited September 2013
    The reason why the cap was implemented was obviously to disallow people advancing too fast.
    24k a day + the AD you make from AH sales, isn't that more than enough?
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  • dante123pldante123pl Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 282 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    850k rough AD >_<
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    400k rough AD could mean that you're not refining on a daily basis. i know that sometimes when i enter PE, it will auto-refine for me. i'm not sure about the consistency of that. but let's just say you're not refining:

    the salvager has been live for around 35 days (excluding any previous incarnations of the salvager). 400k / 35 days = roughly 11.5k rAD a day. definitely doable. you could easily make 400k rAD in 35 days with just leadership tasks.

    but let's say that's not the case. let's assume that you're refining every day and you still have a surplus of 400k after refining every day since it went live:

    so that would mean that on top of your 400k rAD, you've had to have refined 24k x 35 which is a total of 840k. add to that your unrefined surplus and your grand total of accumulated rAD is: 1,240,000 rAD total. divide that by 35 and you have to rake in about 35.4k rAD on a daily basis. not impossible but it most certainly requires more than casual play.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You can't not refine your rough ADs. The game does it for you, up to your cap.
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  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You can't not refine your rough ADs. The game does it for you, up to your cap.

    it hasn't been doing it for me lately. i have to do it manually.
  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Auto-refine refines what remains of the previous day's limit. This happens the first time you log into that character for the new day (which starts at 3am pacific).

    Manual refine only deals with the current day's limit.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    the cap should be increased imo. 50k-100k would be nice.
  • axis40axis40 Member Posts: 125 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    this is not a game for elites like you its actually frowned upon.buy more salvage less
  • pers3phonepers3phone Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    melodywhr wrote: »
    400k rough AD could mean that you're not refining on a daily basis.

    Nah, in my case, I refine daily. Game never auto-refined anything.

    It just accumulates like this, from seal/DD chest gear (which I started to sell for gold lately) and dailies (which I am planning to stop doing, but then I'll get really burned on CN/MC/T2 runs and will probably leave game in 3-4 weeks. I can stand repetition, but running same dungeon 5-6 times in a row it's very tiring).
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    melodywhr wrote: »
    it hasn't been doing it for me lately. i have to do it manually.

    Yeah, right after I posted that, I ended up leaving a few hundred ADs unrefined on one character overnight, and it was still there in the morning. It seems like the autorefining has been removed, maybe because of the all the "where are my diamonds!? why didn't I get my diamonds!?" queries.

    I sure wish changes like that were documented.

    I will still maintain that it's quite possible to earn enough ADs from leadership and invoking at level 60 to hit your cap, and that anything earned over and above simply builds up as a balance.
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  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I just logged into one of my characters and the first line in my chat log was "[Inventory Notify] You refined 3950 Astral Diamonds". So autorefine is working. Like I said before, it only refines up to whatever you had left on your limit from the previous day and doesn't touch your limit from today at all.
  • slayorianslayorian Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    For autorefine to work, I believe you need less than 24k rough AD laying around.

    Also, the real trick to refining is using multiple chars. It works wonders. Past that, raising the cap would only serve to inflate all of the prices in the AH - terrible idea.
  • syka08syka08 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I must be doing it wrong then. I rarely ever get my AD cap on, and if I do its because I had good rolls in one or two greed runs. I only play for two, maybe three hours a day, only do leadership on one character as the others are focused on artificing/weaponsmithing and don't overly take advantage of the LP dailies unless I've got nothing better to do.

    LP/rhix foundry stack is the only time I honestly bother with foundries. Same for PvP when those are stacked. Dread Vault as well. I'm more focused on trying to complete sharandar I guess.
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