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Leveling is Too fast
sapientcrow
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As per the thread title I will say it again though... Leveling is TOO TOO TOO fast.
Initially I was trying to get into dungeons and do my daily skirmishes and my Foundry and I realized quite quickly I would outlevel content and even miss skirmishes if I did that.
I am currently doing the content in order and have to outright skip the dungeons and only do the skirmishes one time. In addition I am avoiding almost all enemies as I travel unless I have to fight them just to make sure I do not get enough experience to make the content too easy and boring and so I do not level past a skirmish tier during playing. Every time I level I am looking to see if I am still in a skirmish tier or if I leveled past it. I am ultimately micro managing and when I level it is not a cool I got some new points feeling it is oh **** another level really I hope the next zone is not too easy now. Usually when I am done with a zone Knox is sending me to 2 new ones and possibly a third.
This game has some of the coolest unique level design and thoughtful content in an mmo (even if its on rails so to speak) and I can not enjoy it because I am just trying to not outlevel it so it doesn't become an easy mode mash button fest. The other aspect of this candy mode exp gain is that I have been unable to play with groups to master my skill sets in battle over time.
Please add a hard mode that possibly doubles or even triples the exp needed to get to max level.
Please open skirmishes to be played later on and scale them accordingly to players. This functionality already exists in the Foundry.
Please add content that can be comfortably experienced because it is not fun to level to cap in a week or less and then run the same content over and over and over again. If the content was easier to experience at a slower pace you would have players in your game longer and we could actually experience skirmishes more than once or twice per tier as we level. Not to mention we could actually do a dungeon to complete a zone in its entirety and not outright skip it just to make sure we do not skip past other content.
Bottom line is that there are tons of mmos out there and many of them are even starting out free to play like Neverwinter. With the what I consider abysmal candy mode exp gain you literally are telling people to play your game for a month at best and move on to another world. This is excluding the people who want to have an extra few points and some new gear so they play the same levels over and over and over endlessly. So far all I see is game company after game company after game company employ the same mistake. They give everyone max level in no time at all (at this point they might as well have a button that says max level when you create characters) and then they spend the rest of the time trying their best to put out enough content to please people who have been given max level. Instead they could pace the progress so it moves at a more natural pace and then have more time to create end game content. Absence of logic...
Initially I was trying to get into dungeons and do my daily skirmishes and my Foundry and I realized quite quickly I would outlevel content and even miss skirmishes if I did that.
I am currently doing the content in order and have to outright skip the dungeons and only do the skirmishes one time. In addition I am avoiding almost all enemies as I travel unless I have to fight them just to make sure I do not get enough experience to make the content too easy and boring and so I do not level past a skirmish tier during playing. Every time I level I am looking to see if I am still in a skirmish tier or if I leveled past it. I am ultimately micro managing and when I level it is not a cool I got some new points feeling it is oh **** another level really I hope the next zone is not too easy now. Usually when I am done with a zone Knox is sending me to 2 new ones and possibly a third.
This game has some of the coolest unique level design and thoughtful content in an mmo (even if its on rails so to speak) and I can not enjoy it because I am just trying to not outlevel it so it doesn't become an easy mode mash button fest. The other aspect of this candy mode exp gain is that I have been unable to play with groups to master my skill sets in battle over time.
Please add a hard mode that possibly doubles or even triples the exp needed to get to max level.
Please open skirmishes to be played later on and scale them accordingly to players. This functionality already exists in the Foundry.
Please add content that can be comfortably experienced because it is not fun to level to cap in a week or less and then run the same content over and over and over again. If the content was easier to experience at a slower pace you would have players in your game longer and we could actually experience skirmishes more than once or twice per tier as we level. Not to mention we could actually do a dungeon to complete a zone in its entirety and not outright skip it just to make sure we do not skip past other content.
Bottom line is that there are tons of mmos out there and many of them are even starting out free to play like Neverwinter. With the what I consider abysmal candy mode exp gain you literally are telling people to play your game for a month at best and move on to another world. This is excluding the people who want to have an extra few points and some new gear so they play the same levels over and over and over endlessly. So far all I see is game company after game company after game company employ the same mistake. They give everyone max level in no time at all (at this point they might as well have a button that says max level when you create characters) and then they spend the rest of the time trying their best to put out enough content to please people who have been given max level. Instead they could pace the progress so it moves at a more natural pace and then have more time to create end game content. Absence of logic...
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I will say that I really dislike how each zone has no replay value. I often forget certain zones even exist.
Oh well! i got a better idea! DONT PLAY AT ALL!!!!
What was i thinking when i spoke to my friends and said "hey hey play NW its fast leveling so you can only focus at the high end content like dungeons and getting geared up!"
Ok now, that bible u wrote is totally nuts lol.
Just level up, focus on a character, not MULTIPLE TOONS, and then gear 1 up to like hmmm 13k? And im not saying do a conqueror spec GF to reach 13k, i say do a rogue or a cw and get him to 13k gearscore. I dare you, i double dare you to say again theres a problem with the leveling.
I agree.
If you want to do quest line you must skip some place's lvl-ing is too fast .
Nobody go back to lvl-30 place too earn green stuff or rank 2 enchant.
Personally I would cut all quest XP by 25% or so.
As a benefit, revise all content in the game, including each zone, lair, dungeon and skirmish, to have the following game modes:
- Default setting (leveled as currently)
- Heroic setting (NPC's are level 60, rare blue drops, ultra rare purples, level 3 with occasional 4 enchant drops)
- Legendary setting (NPC's are level 63, rare purple drops, level 4 with occasional 5 enchant drops)
- Epic setting (NPC's are level 65, purple drops are more common, level 5 and occasional 6 enchant drops)
That way, players can reach 60, and replay all the content, and missions, from the beginner zone to the latest module release. Open the whole game up new and fresh for max-level players to experience.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
Not going to happen - it would cause too much hassle when you have groups with people with different modes.
That said, I do have to agree that there should be a way to play all skirmishes once you hit epic lvl. DDO had the TR (true reincarnation) that allowed you to start a toon over, slightly better with some added reincarnated ability (like +2 to an ability score without going past the starting maximum) and an extra feat. This allowed you to go through the content a second time and the exp needed to level was increased with each reincarnate.
I have to assume the current exp rate is due to other ideas like what i have mentioned that have not let been implemented.
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
I have altitis. Normally this means in a F2P game the first thing I buy is character slots, and that was true in neverwinter. However, once I levelled one character to about 30 and decided to make another, by the time that new character was L20 I realised how boring it was second time round because I was doing the same content again. I've never used my extra character slots as a result. My first is now at cap and more or less abandoned and I'm levelling my second character again - I not only left a good gap to try to make sure I wasn't double-dosing myself second time around, but I also deliberately skipped zones where I had outlevelled them on the first character to make sure I had new stuff to do. Second time around, I'm also running a lot more foundry, except where I have to run zones like the graveyard for the bag reward.
After I cap this one though... unless there's some more developer content to do at lower levels I can't see how the game will have sustainability for me at all beyond the player generated content. Maybe I'll do a character who just runs dungeons after L12, I've been skipping those too to try to save myself somethign (meaning I am woefully underprepared & geared to join end game groups which is my own fault!)
I know they need to expand the endgame because of lot of MMO players prefer end game. For the rest of us though - please don't neglect the levelling content.
But I don't think the pace of levelling is really the issue. In fact I think if they slowed it down the replay problems would be exacerbated. Until they have a whole TON of new levelling content, they need to keep the XP track where it is in my opinion. Heck it could stand to be a bit faster in all honesty to make sure you outlevel at least one zone per bracket without running it, that way at least you can get two unique playthroughs - and I am NOT in any hurry to get to endgame, I totally get where the OP is coming from. I agree with you OP - but only once they have added a load more levelling content.
OP, by the way, if you do foundry quests you'll get less XP because you don't get XP rewards on quest completion basically, that slows it down nicely and those quests can often be pretty long actually, cos creative players like to make quite immersive stuff in my experience. I also find Foundry actually tends to drop more loot in general. Its not going to be anything other than random drops and consumables of course, but I find I can keep myself stocked with potions and ID scrolls much more effectively by running Foundry quests then developer content. Plus of course foundry quests can get you AD. The point is you can get what feels much more like the sort of progression you are after without avoiding mobs in explorer zones and stuff - you just have to be willing to skip zones entirely without stressing about it (I canNOT live, for example, with unresolved quests in my log. So I have to just never to pick them up if I possibly can) and run foundry more often.
i mean, what else is there to do while leveling? its not like you are getting some content which isnt already in game. i mean, to be a certain level at a certain quest is not really what its about, you have the content they have provided and its almost fits 0-60 depening on how much stuff you kill and if you equip xp gems and what not.
have u thought about that? what would u do leveling slowly up if you finish the story and all the quest at level 20, what would u do then? not sure if im missing the point or if you are totally stupid.
i would actually prefer an option for players to roll a lvl 60 character so people who have already finished the storyline and all the questing on 5 or more characters to have the option to just concentrate on the end game grinding.
how i hated to force myself to play the content over again on my 4th character, andi got 6 of them and must have ran 10 characters to 60, its a pain in the ***.
I admit I am a dinosaur. My first MMO experience was in Everquest. So all this force fed experience (or at least it feels that way to me) makes me feel like I am cheating actually. too easy too fast... I would have liked to learn the layouts of dungeons and been pitted against the skirmishes with my cleric to get a better handle on how to play in different circumstances but unfortunately I will be playing the end dungeons in epic mode and many of them for the first time.
Ya fun stuff and what do you do after getting the top end gear? This game doesnt have much end content at all. Even then its bugged or just exploited.
And then once you hit level 60 the only thing left to do is get epic gear for your toon which isn't as hard as people make it out to be. So the choices here are level slowly and have to repeat same quests or level quickly and repeat the same dungeons. Honestly they should take the easy way out and make it so you level slowly but once you have a max level toon you have the option to either make another max level toon or level it up the normal way. I think everyone would be happy with that.....well, almost everyone.
P.S. this would be a great incentive for people to spend money to buy extra character slots instead of just making extra accounts.
they also have "mentorship" that help lower some levels you can select and help other players who were having hard time with specific quests.
i do hope the devs can find a better way to help with low end out of reach quests, instead of lowering xp that we earned, nobody likes slow leveling grinds that i was facing with Asheron's Call 2, been stuck in level 38 for few months, it hard to find groups to get some fast xp, i have been soloing and it becoming less fun to the point of giving up.
so, no to slow down xp, just we need "chrono" level format.
I think you are contradicting yourself here. If you can get to lvl 60 in 2 days or a week, you are most certainly grinding your mind out and not taking the time to enjoy the content. I have 3 toons to 60 and I play a few hours every day on average, well lets say an hour a day on average. It took me several weeks to level each of my toons. I also played different areas on each, for example, 2 of my toons skipped ice peaks, 2 skipped Volosk, 2 skipped rothe... so I was able to lvl 3 toons to 60, and each played a unique area to that rise to 60.
In DCUO, which is very endgame focused, I could lvl a toon to cap in a week. Playing the same content over and over. Or in DDO, when you level, you mostly run each instance 2-4 times in the lveling process. normal, hard, hard, hard, elite... or if you have an opener Elite, HArd, hard, hard... so I most certainly do not care for a slower leveling process.
If you focus on a single toon, you have a point, but someone like me with 8 char slots (had 14 toons in DDO and 12 in DCUO) the leveling is really distributed well.
I think the levelling is fast, but that doesn't bother me, quests are actually fun for me and the areas are beautiful. I'll probably leave the foundry quests for when I'm 60 though, I don't want to not be able to enter the final dungeon of the area (which is also the final quest for that area, and closes everything) because I'm too high level.
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
I personally feel that, out of all the MMO's I've played, ever (starting with UO), this game has the least amount of grind. Even as I'm trying to get multiple sets of T2 armor.
The only thing I've had to grind in this game is enchants, to be honest.
Even on my multiple toons, the speed of the questline, and diversity (I'm hitting zones I didn't finish or couldn't touch on my first run throughs) is taking away much of that grind aspect. Add in that they are all doing professions and prayer, and sometimes I pull a level or two and haven't even actually played the character for a week.
I won't argue with the bulk of the statements here, though: while the speed may be great for letting players get to end game, the amount of end-game content is lacking. I think this will be resolved over time, especially with the game being brand-new by MMO standards (has another MMO been released since this one went live?).
And then I worry about the almost guaranteed introduction of new higher-end gears, new attachments, and even the inevitable level-cap increase at 24 months that most MMO's receive. But that's all normal, to be honest.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
At high level you maybe gained 10% in a week of good grinding.
Still remember the awsome "die and lose exp" function that many games had back in the old days?
The more you know, the more you forget.
The more you forget, the less you know.
So.. why learn?
Typical hyperbole-based internet forum debate style. "Oh, you think leveling's too fast? Clearly you want leveling to take a crazy amount of time!" (reminds me of the good old days on the WoW forums. "I think the token costs on <epic whatever> are a little high. Maybe 10-15% less?" "Oh, so you think the whole set should be mailed to every character the instant they hit 80?!?!?!!?" /facepalm)
No, we just think that the leveling is a bit too fast. I ran into the same problem the OP did, when I leveled my first character. My goal (as with every MMO I've played previously) was to go through the whole leveling-zone questline/story. And I found that if I dared to do anything else (the dailies they kept shoving at me, invoking, foundries, dungeons or skirmishes more than once, etc) that I was fantastically outleveling everything.
Sure, it's great when you just want to slam Alt #5 straight to 60 (if you're one of those "the game only starts at cap!" wackos), but when you're trying to play your first character through the game and learn that you have to skip half of the content to do that? Seems a bit off.
/shrug
A Handful of people scream about leveling too fast.
The Devs Knee-jerk and slow XP progress.
The forums get flooded with WTFBBQ war on fun threads.
It happened in CoH.
It happened in CO.
It happened in STO.
They pretty much know better now.
Believe me, casual players hate difficult battles. And we casual players outnumbered hardcore players.
I enjoy the game very very much.
This is the only game I login everyday.
I spend 10min/day to do incarnation and crafting.
And I can level up my 2nd char from lvl 26 to lvl 48 without doing any battle.