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pjdv
Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 67
Can someone from the game developer please explain why the event times do not rotate by 1 hour each day instead of the current schedule? i have been tracking the times for a week now and the schedule for today (monday) is exactly the same with last monday. the problem is, the dungeon delve has been at 12/6 twice, 2/8 twice, 4/10 twice, and 5/11 once and now it is back on the 6/12 rotation.
this makes no sense. where is the 7PM start time EST, where is the 9PM start time EST? Why is it jumping two hours everyday instead of a nice predictable 1 hour which would clearly be a better rotation?
Getting teams together to do the dungeon is hard enough without having as many options as possible.
Also, the schedule changes occur only at generally 2AM giving repeat occurances of Delve at 2AM/4AM EST. Ditto Gauntlgrym which clearly favours West Coast players
this makes no sense. where is the 7PM start time EST, where is the 9PM start time EST? Why is it jumping two hours everyday instead of a nice predictable 1 hour which would clearly be a better rotation?
Getting teams together to do the dungeon is hard enough without having as many options as possible.
Also, the schedule changes occur only at generally 2AM giving repeat occurances of Delve at 2AM/4AM EST. Ditto Gauntlgrym which clearly favours West Coast players
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given they are on 6 hour cycles right now, they would rotate through 1 hour later each weekday and start on the same weekday 1 hour later each week going back to same schedule on week 7.
I think it is really time to go into another direction. Give out 1-3 keys a day (similar to the sharandar chest unlock dungeons) and let me use this key on any chest in any dungeon at any time I want. Then I can decide when I want to run a dungeon and get the final chest.
Current system just leads to dead queues whenever it is not DD time or when DD has started 10 minutes before. Unless you are in a party when DD is starting you wait 2 hours for a queue for certain dungeons today.
I recommended a similar solution a month ago in these forums, and one person almost took off my head with his whining about how stupid an idea it was.
My idea was you could pick two Dungeons a day for DD, and you simply chose when entering if a DD or not, and had 1/2 hour from that moment to complete it.
The concept could be done for all daily events. Skirmishes, Professions, etc. You choose when to start your clock for that event, and can only have one event at a time going.
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
I would've done the same as that person, except your post is so stupid I have to get out of this thread asap before I am tainted.
Love these type of replies - name calling and no explanation as to the problem. Simply put, creating a reward system that is based on limited timeslots that DO NOT ROTATE THROUGH EACH START TIME IN THE EVENING is ridiculous. There is no rationale reason for this system as it only actually deprives people of opportunities to participate in content.
I completely agree that a system that requires you to do something to open it up is reasonable - but it should be gated by participation and not by arbitrary time zones that are not appropriately flexible.
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a quest npc that gave you a DD unlock key, and the quest reset every 6 hours, would be the closest thing to a solution allowing people to run DDs whenever they had the time, not based on when the game wanted you too, while still limiting DDs to every 6 hours. ofc you could only run 1 dungeon every 6 hours instead of multiple runs per DD timer, but you could store up/save the DD keys and do multiple runs when you had a chunk of time.
The people who have a lot of time, and usually that means unemployment etc so not much money, can farm delves and sell extra stuff to people who don't have a lot of time, they are too busy making money.
Now how do you as a developer get people with money to spend them? Make them compete with people who have a lot more time to play than them and eventually they notice they cannot keep up at all without spending cash.
Without people who have a lot of time to grind and offer things to sell to people with money the income to developers would suffer and to make **** sure the people with money spend it they made it even harder for them to gear up playing by timing the delves the way they are.
Amen! I love the new key system and hope to see all the dungeons adopt a similar mechanic. I am eastern time and it seems by the time i get home and eat dinner, i have missed the DD event. My normal game time is 6:30 - 8:00 and in bed by 10... so if i do not catch a DD Saturday or Sunday afternoon (kids have early am sports or if not i am sleeping in), i miss it all week. 8-10 is needed to limit wife aggro.
I disagree. This would allow the less busy folks more time to get items to sell. Also, the chest items are BOP, so this does nothing of which you suggest.
Generally working people want to work for thier stuff, not be P2W players. If a game by design forces me to be P2W, i am not going to invest in it.
Precisely. The working world should not be penalized for being productive members of real-world society in addition to having a similarly good work ethic in-game. Why anyone would sneer at the suggestion of making dungeon delve events (among others) more accessible to those best capable of spending money on Zen items (stones, mounts, and fashion items) is entirely beyond me. From a business perspective, it's still sound: please the paying customer. The market for bought gear won't disappear - people unwilling or insufficiently skilled/experienced to dungeon their way to better items will always exist, so the non-paying player with oodles of free time and dungeon experience will still have AD incentive to sell the boss drops. Either a change in the event cycle so the events appear at different times throughout the week (and spare me the "they do!" nonsense; every weekday the DD event appears precisely at 2 and 10 p.m. in my time zone without deviation), or a key-per-unit-time option would increase accessibility without proving detrimental to the current market.
Thumbs up on the key idea being implemented for the rest of the dungeons. For complainants about the idea: come back and complain when you've responsibilities more strenuous - and consumptive of time - than wiping your own rear end.
I find it interesting that people believe this is based on economics of the game. I've always found buying gear a pretty silly thing to do as this pretty much makes the playing of the actual end-game pretty useless - I'm playing because I want the fun of getting the right drops and will only play something multiple times because of this opportunity. Once I am fully geared, I am moving on to another game until new content comes out. I will, however, spend real money for the fun of it on lockboxes, and actually on game upgrades as I want to 'support' the game.
I have a committed group of 5 people in different time zones who will keep playing this end-game IF they make it more convenient to play it
so basically you could open 3 dungeon chests per day whenever you want. when you run one dungeon and use your key, you have 2 left. either you run 2 more or just leave it. then next day when timer resets you could grab 1 new key (because you still have 2 in inventory).
with that everyone could decide when to run a dungeon. no time that would pressure you. you could even run a dungeon and don't use the key to unlock the chest. all up to you.
We've been asking for months to get rid of the timer system. DD times are even now causing guild stress. Experienced delvers tend to que with other experienced delvers leaving those who have not run many dungeons to watch an expiring timer. Giving us daily keys for a chest would allow us to run dungeons at our leisure.
Does anyone actually like these timers?
Back under your rock Troll!
Anyone can complain, whine, and cast dispersions at other people ideas! That is easy, making suggestions, which requires thinking and conceiving, is harder.
Since I do not see a single suggestion from you, on how to fix the problem with Dungeon Delves. Especially for those who cannot game exactly when they are running. I see your reaction to my post with a suggestion, with no critique as to why you think it is so stupid, as nothing more than a Troll.
Come back with your own idea, and let the rest of us who are thinking, give your idea some constructive criticism. I promise I will not simply say anything even close to "your post is so stupid I have to get out of this thread asap before I am tainted!"
Prove me wrong, in proclaiming you a Troll, by doing so. I will retract my claim if you do. However, if you don't come with anything, I will leave my proclamation as it is.
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
Events are bad planned: in this way they make dungeons themselves usless, and only DD give a reward. It is bad. They should activate the final chess everytime the final boss die, event or not, and when there is event something else will occur (ex. more reward in the chest, or an enchantment shard guaranteed or something else...)
I see you are on the side of change. Great, welcome aboard.
One reason to not always have the reward, is Inflation from too many of the same thing in the world, and the deflation in the value of the items found.
Do you think the Key concept provided before would address your complaints adequately, and if not, why?
AKA Cyber Troll and Euben Hadd
I am in GMT+1 zone and there is a double DD in the morning.
Usually at 8 plus 10 or 6 plus 8 maybe.
Lol, as a game publisher on a capitalist free market my first priority is making money and possibly profit. I couldn't care less about how productive or unproductive others are, and about ethics, that only exists in philosophy books and some crazy people's hearts like yours. Greed is god.
I believe the premise of this whole thread is that there is an assumption that if they did any kind of data analysis on their game usage, that if they do not remove some of the onerous scheduling/design flaws (ignoring bugs - we are talking about overall design principles like the timed delves), that there will be (or even is) a precipitous drop overall in game time by a significant chunk of the player base - adults, with money, who want to play end game content even if it takes work to gear up but on their own schedule and not a fabricated schedule....and as noted previous: a schedule that actually does not even allow for a full breadth of start/play times but rotates through a fixed but incomplete cycle.
so of course the game publisher should maximize their profit - but as with any business, they can do this by satisfying their customers needs at the same time - not rocket science