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vendingtonvendington Member Posts: 21 Arc User
edited September 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Hello,

Wondering if this game is still worth the time playing,
Since Getting the bots in pvp is still very high , and also heard to population is not doing very well.. ( correct me if i am wrong )

The gameplay is so awesome still , but im worried about Population actualy..

Cheers Vendington
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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    "Is it worth it" threads are the most useless of all; play and make up your own mind. No one can tell you what is worth it and what isn't
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    It is worth playing, to *me*...


    Not sure if that helps you any, though.
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  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I don't think the bots are as big a problem as they used to be, since PVP gear is BOP now, removing a big reason why there were bots in PVP to begin with. The population, I haven't noticed much of a change in. There certainly seems to still be a ton of people in the game, but I haven't exactly been counting all the instances to check. It doesn't look deserted in any event.

    People were complaining about the very long queue times recently, but I think that had more to do with the Summer event than a drop in population. When the queues take a long time at lower levels, it seems to possibly be because the window in which you can enter a dungeon is very small - I easily out-leveled skirmishes and dungeons in the time between dungeon delve/skirmish events.

    That said. The game is free to try, it won't cost anyone anything to give it a shot and just see how you like it, and decide if it's worth your time from there. I personally am still enjoying it. The game has only been out for a few months, and I think it'll continue to get better as long as people continue to support it.
  • ordensmarschallordensmarschall Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,060 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    While I don't PvP, I keep seeing complaints about the Bots in both the Forum and the Chat. The population is hard to gauge, as it currently split between the Enclave and Sharandar. It seems to have declined somewhat but both still have at least a dozen instances running at any one time. Then there are still all of the quest maps to account for. There are any number bugs and other issues to contend with, but for me it still worthwhile(for now), however YMMV.
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  • echokazulechokazul Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I've still been having a lot of fun, though being in an active guild seems to help a lot.
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  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'm still playing because I'm gonna get my money worth out of it. However if I knew what I know now when i started, I'd be reluctant to start and certainly wouldn't put money it. Still, the level up process from 0-60 is fun, it's just the L60 grind that sucks.
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  • bladerunner2000bladerunner2000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Short answer is no. PW really screwed up the end game with the last patch so once you hit 60 you'll be very frustrated. Geared players no longer will do dungeons as there is no incentive. Loot is now BOP. Also, groups will not take you into dungeons unless you have a high gear score. So a real catch 22. Some people will tell you join a guild and they'll help you gear up. Not true. I'm in a guild with 400 ppl and many geared 60s. They won't spend 1-2 hours in a dungeon for no benefit.
  • xhritxhrit Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    tang56 wrote: »
    I'm still playing because I'm gonna get my money worth out of it. However if I knew what I know now when i started, I'd be reluctant to start and certainly wouldn't put money it. Still, the level up process from 0-60 is fun, it's just the L60 grind that sucks.

    So leveling three characters to level 60 was fun? And after having all that fun you would be reluctant to support the developers who made that fun possible?

    How does that even make sense? I am not seeing the logic here. You can't judge an entire game based on what is left to do after you clear all the content. 'Endgame' is a myth. No MMO has an endgame.

    If you think the content is fun, then give them more money, so they can make more fun content. If you think the content is not fun, then go play something else.
    Short answer is no. ... Some people will tell you join a guild and they'll help you gear up. Not true. I'm in a guild with 400 ppl and many geared 60s. They won't spend 1-2 hours in a dungeon for no benefit.

    I can not blame them. I would not waste my time helping gear up someone who doesn't even think the game is worth playing either. People like you just quit without saying anything to anyone in the guild, so all the effort that goes into helping them gear up is wasted anyway. Maybe if you were more involved in your guild then people would help you, but after reading the stuff you wrote, I know I wouldn't.
  • xhritxhrit Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    double post?
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    xhrit wrote: »
    So leveling three characters to level 60 was fun? And after having all that fun you would be reluctant to support the developers who made that fun possible?

    How does that even make sense? I am not seeing the logic here. You can't judge an entire game based on what is left to do after you clear all the content. 'Endgame' is a myth. No MMO has an endgame.

    If you think the content is fun, then give them more money, so they can make more fun content. If you think the content is not fun, then go play something else.

    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. More money? I've spent more than enough on this game. Also, I am playing something else right now. I'm playing Saints Row.
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  • neskolfneskolf Member Posts: 97
    edited September 2013
    It all depends on what you are looking to get out of the game, vendington. Personally, I'm having a blast running around killing stuff. But, then, I'm not really into PvP nor am I worried about things like gear. I just like following the questline and setting challenges for myself. The game is fun to play. But whether or not its worthwhile all comes down to what you are looking to do.
  • baleriondrogonbaleriondrogon Member, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 53
    edited September 2013
    I've been having fun and that's all that I care about. No game last forever so take it with a grain of salt.
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  • valwrynvalwryn Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,620 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    This game is fun....for me. :o
    Try it out for your self. If you're too scared to try it, let Mikey try it, he hates everything! :p
  • degraafinationdegraafination Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    If you have any other MMO experience, I'd say stay away for these reasons:

    1) The business model is designed to bleed you try.
    2) Persistent bug issues
    3) Exploiters/bots in PVP
    4) Limited PVP experience (2 maps only)
    5) Only five class choices
    6) Extremely limited end-game experience (I run MC first two bosses and PVP, not much else).

    Maybe try something else? Your call.
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  • tripsofthrymrtripsofthrymr Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,624 Community Moderator
    edited September 2013
    If you have any other MMO experience, I'd say stay away for these reasons:

    1) The business model is designed to bleed you try.
    2) Persistent bug issues
    3) Exploiters/bots in PVP
    4) Limited PVP experience (2 maps only)
    5) Only five class choices
    6) Extremely limited end-game experience (I run MC first two bosses and PVP, not much else).

    Maybe try something else? Your call.

    1) So not true. Many people in my guild have not spent a dime and have lots of fun. I bought the smaller founder's pack and spent a little in addition, but don't have a real advantage over those in my guild that didn't do that. It will bleed try gamers that have to be better than everyone else around them.

    2) Yep. The time to fix bugs and the rate at which new bugs are introduced is pretty bad.

    3) I don't PVP so I don't know/care.

    4) If you care about PVP, this will probably irritate you

    5) It takes very little time to level up all 5 classes to 60. It takes quite a bit of time to actually learn to play each class well. They are extremely well designed and each is very fun in their own way (all complaints about nerfing on the forums aside).

    6) Yes but the game is young. Feywild is called "Module 1" for a reason. Castle Never is also very fun and challenging if you don't exploit the numerous bugs (see item #2). Epic Dread Vault is also very challenging.
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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    1) So not true. Many people in my guild have not spent a dime and have lots of fun. I bought the smaller founder's pack and spent a little in addition, but don't have a real advantage over those in my guild that didn't do that. It will bleed try gamers that have to be better than everyone else around them.

    2) Yep. The time to fix bugs and the rate at which new bugs are introduced is pretty bad.

    3) I don't PVP so I don't know/care.

    4) If you care about PVP, this will probably irritate you

    5) It takes very little time to level up all 5 classes to 60. It takes quite a bit of time to actually learn to play each class well. They are extremely well designed and each is very fun in their own way (all complaints about nerfing on the forums aside).

    6) Yes but the game is young. Feywild is called "Module 1" for a reason. Castle Never is also very fun and challenging if you don't exploit the numerous bugs (see item #2). Epic Dread Vault is also very challenging.


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  • wbloom225wbloom225 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Can someone please tell me how to get a mount with Zen in Neverwinter? I have the Zen needed but it gives me a red amount meaning I guess something is wrong with buying it. I thought all mounts were made for all races
  • sedryntyrossedryntyros Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I'd recommend to anyone who's looking for a PvE high fantasy action solo mmorpg to give Neverwinter a try. The combat is excellent and I greatly enjoyed leveling both my characters to level 60. If you're a completionist you're probably going to find the level ranges for skirmishes a bit frustrating, but other than that I found the PvE experience from level 1 to 60 to be quite fun.

    There are some problems with the game, of course, mostly centering around lack of communication from PWE to the players. I'd definitely be wary about investing large sums of money into the game. Give it a try, though. There's fun to be had!
  • nornsavantnornsavant Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Is this a review now? Hmmm let’s see, to be Neverwinter or not to be, is that the question? Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous cash grabbing or take arms against a sea of pvp bots and in logging off to end it.

    I would have to say that the action is not bad but not nearly as smooth and fluid and some other action mmo’s. There are even some that allow full movement and use of powers and combat while in motion. No such ballet here I am afraid.

    The game runs alright for casual play but get invested and you will find any number of amateurish cracks beneath its soggy veneer. The Auction House has sorting issues…still. Exploits in instances, graveyard camping in PVP, bots in PVP, the neverending cycle of buff and nerf that never hits any targets and seem pretty random.

    Plan to pay something. I am not starting some pay to win fiasco here but if you plan to do anything else for the next seven days beside caress your keyboard, just resolve that you will be paying for something somewhere. It all depends on what you really like. Love pvp? Best gear is for sale. Same for PVE realy. Don’t want to move slowly like all the other pleebs? Buy a horse from the Zen store. Love crafting? Buy the tools and gear you will need. And there are tons of other ways to spend your money without even touching on the gambling options. If, however, you came to a free game expecting it to be free, you will be grinding and whirling a loooooong time.

    Leveling is zippy quick. And for some that is a really good thing. They don’t want to spend any more time as a sub-max character than they have to. Game starts at max level anyway right? But if you like the character and have any investment in the process of leveling you may find that the game lacks depth and breadth. There is really very little substance to anything beyond what goodies you get at the next level and what they do to the baddies many of whom have exactly the same abilities as the last baddies.

    Overall experience to me is sub-par and generic; a cardboard copy surpassed by the vision statement alone of other many other games

    But what this game has that no one else does is the D&D intellectual property. Discounting “that other D&D game” this is the only one that will give you that authentic 4th edition feel and if that is a hook for you then consider yourself hooked. Floating castle islands, glowy gems and mind flayers, it’s all here and there is the foundry.

    The IP is made all the better by the ability of the players themselves to use it. If the devs are concerned with getting your local currency wired to PWE as fast as possible, the foundry architects are working to give you interesting adventures with loads of exciting combat and dialogue, engrossing stories and absolutely astounding maps.

    So you can get a lackluster character in a buggy system for an average experience in some amazing maps with your choice of cool story, exciting combat or both together.

    If that’s worth it… come on down.
  • aaronjfaaronjf Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    vendington wrote: »
    Hello,

    Wondering if this game is still worth the time playing,
    Since Getting the bots in pvp is still very high , and also heard to population is not doing very well.. ( correct me if i am wrong )

    The gameplay is so awesome still , but im worried about Population actualy..

    Cheers Vendington
    Population is falling.. Since gta5 was released, it is even more dead.. I have noticed in trade there are a lot less wards being sold etc. The one thing that hasn't changed much population wise is the gold spammers. I can't speak much for bots because I only log in to buy/sell things and pray. I don't even do that much anymore though. Like I said, I have noticed a huge drop in population just in the last week.
    It boils down to what you want out of the game. In a sense, it is almost like having the place to yourself. The core of the game hasn't changed much. If you have a solid grp of friends, the game won't play much differently than it did a few weeks after beta :p
    My solid groups of friends are long gone and that is what made the game most enjoyable to me.. I'm enjoying Tera quite a bit though so no complaints from this guy :)
  • bladerunner2000bladerunner2000 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    xhrit wrote: »
    So leveling three characters to level 60 was fun? And after having all that fun you would be reluctant to support the developers who made that fun possible?

    How does that even make sense? I am not seeing the logic here. You can't judge an entire game based on what is left to do after you clear all the content. 'Endgame' is a myth. No MMO has an endgame.

    If you think the content is fun, then give them more money, so they can make more fun content. If you think the content is not fun, then go play something else.



    I can not blame them. I would not waste my time helping gear up someone who doesn't even think the game is worth playing either. People like you just quit without saying anything to anyone in the guild, so all the effort that goes into helping them gear up is wasted anyway. Maybe if you were more involved in your guild then people would help you, but after reading the stuff you wrote, I know I wouldn't.

    I did not say I was not geared (I am), rage quitting or anything else that is abusive unlike your post. I was giving the OP a frank assessment of the state of the game also in the hope that PW takes notice. And feel free to poll any guild on how many runs they're doing as compared to prior to the last patch.
  • ladymythosladymythos Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 637 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    If you have any other MMO experience, I'd say stay away for these reasons:

    1) The business model is designed to bleed you try.
    No, it's a standard Free 2 Play-model. As in the game itself is free, and you can play it forever without paying a dime. But there are also optional stuff you can buy with real money. If you want to. Being optional and all. Like it or not, but this model really works, and it's getting more and more common. Would you really prefer spending $50 on a game you have barely hard of, rather than paying nothing and playing the game for yourself until you know if you want to spend money on it or not? The F2P-model lets you pay exactly what you want, if you want.

    2) Persistent bug issues
    Persistant means they are never going to go away. That's wrong. Yes, it takes time to clear out some bugs, but that goes for all games. Heck, I play GTA5 a lot now, and guess what? It crashed on me. Twice.

    3) Exploiters/bots in PVP
    4) Limited PVP experience (2 maps only)
    This might come as a shock to you, but... not everyone gives a darn about PvP. I know it might be hard to believe, but that's the truth.

    5) Only five class choices
    For now, but a sixth one will be out by the end of the year, and more will follow. We have already had more races added (regular drow, sun elves and moon elves), and we get more of those, too.

    6) Extremely limited end-game experience (I run MC first two bosses and PVP, not much else).
    It's always funny to read comments like this. In a game with almost literally infinite content, people still complain about the lack of endgame content. You have heard of a little thing called the Foundry, right? Where you make your own dungeons and adventures? You might want to try it one day. Some of those are really good.

    Maybe try something else? Your call.

    All in all, I'm having a lot of fun in this game. I suggest ignoring stats, gear and doing what other people say you should, and rather focus on having fun. But it's a free game, so try it first and see for yourself. It doesn't cost anything - unless you want it to, of course. :)
  • alexsarrufalexsarruf Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I am playing for a week so far, and its a fun game, i dont know how "endgame" will be, but i am enjoing leviling part of it.
  • drbaalsdrbaals Member Posts: 161 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    vendington wrote: »
    Hello,

    Wondering if this game is still worth the time playing,
    Since Getting the bots in pvp is still very high , and also heard to population is not doing very well.. ( correct me if i am wrong )

    The gameplay is so awesome still , but im worried about Population actualy..

    Cheers Vendington


    Populator is dropping faster since GTA5 came out and FF14 is going strong still so.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 5,508 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    As a free game, sure it's worth it. When you start spending money on it, the cost quickly gets to be far too high for the return on what you are spending. So be wary of that.
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  • rhoriangelusrhoriangelus Member Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    wbloom225 wrote: »
    Can someone please tell me how to get a mount with Zen in Neverwinter? I have the Zen needed but it gives me a red amount meaning I guess something is wrong with buying it. I thought all mounts were made for all races

    Did you get the Zen via the exchange? You have to withdraw it before you can use it. Go to the exchange, on the buy/sell tabs, there will be a button that says 'withdraw' at the bottom, withdraw all your zen. There's no point in not withdrawing it, you can access it on any character/shard once it's withdrawn, it's not locked where you withdrew it. If that isn't your problem, you might have to open a ticket.
  • melodywhrmelodywhr Member Posts: 4,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    1. never ask for other peoples opinions in this or any mmo forum. most people that you'd want to talk to are in-game and enjoying it and don't even use the forums. if you want a negative outlook, then by all means, you're in the right place.

    2. play the game and get your own perspective.

    3. don't believe the doom and gloom you read in these forums. most of it is unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture. claims that the game is dying, that the population is decreasing, that neverwinter is some kind of get-rich-quick scheme... none of these claims are backed by fact. most people that spout off those claims are disgruntled customers for some reason or other. does this game have bugs? sure. are they game-breaking? in my opinion, no. i enjoy playing this game and if i couldn't play due to these bugs, i would simply take a break until these bugs were fixed. whining about it constantly in these forums and insulting the developers or the company doesn't get things fixed and/or changed.
  • ameranth342ameranth342 Member Posts: 141 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2013
    melodywhr wrote: »
    1. never ask for other peoples opinions in this or any mmo forum. most people that you'd want to talk to are in-game and enjoying it and don't even use the forums. if you want a negative outlook, then by all means, you're in the right place.

    2. play the game and get your own perspective.

    3. don't believe the doom and gloom you read in these forums. most of it is unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture. claims that the game is dying, that the population is decreasing, that neverwinter is some kind of get-rich-quick scheme... none of these claims are backed by fact. most people that spout off those claims are disgruntled customers for some reason or other. does this game have bugs? sure. are they game-breaking? in my opinion, no. i enjoy playing this game and if i couldn't play due to these bugs, i would simply take a break until these bugs were fixed. whining about it constantly in these forums and insulting the developers or the company doesn't get things fixed and/or changed.

    You mean 'in your opinion' if not Since when have you been in charge ?
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    To answer the OP: Play the game for a bit, then decide. There is no better gauge of what a game is worth to you personally than your own experience.

    Everything else is the opinions of others, and there's an old saying about opinions....
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  • ravinravin Member Posts: 587 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Yeah, yeah, yeah two tired franchises has released their reskined games, and the population has slightly dipped. Once they beat the game in a week they'll be back.
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