my Destroyer kicks *** in every group. peopole are impressed at how i
Irrelevant at best.
Reroll a gwf from scratch and come back here to tell us how you feel.
English is not my first language.
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badpanda69Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited September 2013
When I ever i come to this forums cant help but feel like Im the only one thats not having any problems with my GWF play sentinal build and dont have a single problem have good survial good damage and good AP gain.
When I ever i come to this forums cant help but feel like Im the only one thats not having any problems with my GWF play sentinal build and dont have a single problem have good survial good damage and good AP gain.
SO you do admit that the only viable path for GWF right now is Sentinel and all other path is garbage. Thank you for saying that, LMAO.
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pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
When I ever i come to this forums cant help but feel like Im the only one thats not having any problems with my GWF play sentinal build and dont have a single problem have good survial good damage and good AP gain.
Good AP gain you say????
Facepalm!!!
Every GWF knows current AP gain is by far the worst of any class by around 300%
Hahaha! You poor fools! Anyone with two braincells knows you are supposed to go sentinel and use rank 9 enchantments and perfect weapon enchantments. That's the way you play gwf! You aren't doing it right! Hohoho, have a lollypop.
just roll a tr or cw much more satisfying classes.i just tried it and was realy having a bad time in the start coz i was op with gwf but now after some 30 lvl in pvp its starting to make sence.and it pays of much more...forget the gwf i had bis pvp/pve gear 8,9 ranks nice for pvp but same tr is much better in both...save your self some time and effort just roll a different class and transfer enchants wish i done it before lol.
if you cant beat them join them
you are all fkng high GS of course there is nothing to complain, but have you for a minute taken into consideration those under 8-10kgs, LOL. bytheway, thesame 8-10kgs other class is doing CN and other top T2 Dungeon, but ordinary gwf would not be able to do that, now, try doning a 9kgs and try again, then come back here.
You think we didn't start at a lower GS? My guild would not be taking any 8-10k class to CN... top T2 dungeon maybe. You have to start from the bottom and progress to get to where I am at. It doesn't happen over night.
just roll a tr or cw much more satisfying classes.i just tried it and was realy having a bad time in the start coz i was op with gwf but now after some 30 lvl in pvp its starting to make sence.and it pays of much more...forget the gwf i had bis pvp/pve gear 8,9 ranks nice for pvp but same tr is much better in both...save your self some time and effort just roll a different class and transfer enchants wish i done it before lol.
if you cant beat them join them
First of all, I don't care about PVP -- so let's get that out of the way.
I want to say that not 1 TR has ever put out more damage or kills in ANY instance T1/T2/CN/MC/Skirmish than my GWF. So rolling a TR that is "much better" is a complete lie. I can be beaten by some elite CWs, but they won't beat me in other aspects (overall kills, damage taken, etc). They literally will take so many deaths just to be a hundred k above me in damage. The TRs are millions behind.
Good AP gain you say????
Facepalm!!!
Every GWF knows current AP gain is by far the worst of any class by around 300%
But the trade off from the AP gain is the fact that I can go unstoppable every few seconds and do insane AOE damage. That is WAY more valuable to me than any daily that we have.
I don't understand why so many GWF's are QQ about the class. Steamroller on our server is always #1 damage in runs as long as his unstoppable doesn't bug out majority of the run. The GWF scaling is amazing and why they do so much damage toward top end gear.
The ONLY time a CW will out damage a GWF is if the CW is intentionally pushing mobs away and not bunching them up. We've seen CW's do this intentionally when they notice they are not #1 in dmg and those CW's get the boot.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I don't understand why so many GWF's are QQ about the class. Steamroller on our server is always #1 damage in runs as long as his unstoppable doesn't bug out majority of the run. The GWF scaling is amazing and why they do so much damage toward top end gear.
The ONLY time a CW will out damage a GWF is if the CW is intentionally pushing mobs away and not bunching them up. We've seen CW's do this intentionally when they notice they are not #1 in dmg and those CW's get the boot.
Yep they do that and they will purposely try to run in and grab aggro first, hilarious when they die left and right. Really sloppy players.
I am not going to have a long drawn out argument but I just want to say one thing.
TRASH MOB DPS DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL!!!!!111one
you gain at most 3-5 minutes with the increase in trash mob damage while losing nearly ALL utility and about 50% boss damage. GWF can fill the tank role with good gear, they are especially great in FH as their regen allows you to not even need to kill the archers.
GWF's are however PvP beasts, mine does only PvP and once in a while FH if my guild can't find anyone else.
Of course you can do any dungeon in the game with GWF, and more power to you if you run with your guild and have fun, but you cannot make the argument that GWF is better than another CW/TR from a clear speed/ease of run standpoint. Talking of course equally geared, obviously 13k GWF > 10k TR/CW.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I am not going to have a long drawn out argument but I just want to say one thing.
TRASH MOB DPS DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL!!!!!111one
you gain at most 3-5 minutes with the increase in trash mob damage while losing nearly ALL utility and about 50% boss damage. GWF can fill the tank role with good gear, they are especially great in FH as their regen allows you to not even need to kill the archers.
GWF's are however PvP beasts, mine does only PvP and once in a while FH if my guild can't find anyone else.
Of course you can do any dungeon in the game with GWF, and more power to you if you run with your guild and have fun, but you cannot make the argument that GWF is better than another CW/TR from a clear speed/ease of run standpoint. Talking of course equally geared, obviously 13k GWF > 10k TR/CW.
Everyone I run with is BiS Geared.
GF - 15.9k /w Crafted BiS Weapon & Shield
All other players are BiS GEAR with Rank 8+ Enchants GS around 13k
Top Damage every run GWF
2nd Damage every run CW
Sometimes we'll bring 2 CW's and drop the TR.
TR's are the 5th wheel in MC and easily replaced by another CW.
The ONLY reason you don't want to bring a GWF is because you don't have a Pro GWF in your guild/team. Once you do a run with a GWF with Godly damage you'll want 1 in every run.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I am not going to have a long drawn out argument but I just want to say one thing.
TRASH MOB DPS DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL!!!!!111one
you gain at most 3-5 minutes with the increase in trash mob damage while losing nearly ALL utility and about 50% boss damage. GWF can fill the tank role with good gear, they are especially great in FH as their regen allows you to not even need to kill the archers.
GWF's are however PvP beasts, mine does only PvP and once in a while FH if my guild can't find anyone else.
Of course you can do any dungeon in the game with GWF, and more power to you if you run with your guild and have fun, but you cannot make the argument that GWF is better than another CW/TR from a clear speed/ease of run standpoint. Talking of course equally geared, obviously 13k GWF > 10k TR/CW.
Trash Mob DPS doesn't count? So we should cheat and skip all the mobs is what you are saying? What is the point of doing the dungeon then if you are just going to cheat.
Also pretty much EVERY final boss in the game is loaded with adds -- this is where my GWF excels. You can literally stack them on the boss and I can help AOE burn them (and the boss) down.
Like I said, an elite CW (gear is only half of it, skill is the other) can out DPS my GWF... it just is what it is. However, there is no TR that can touch an overall run in dps, kills, damage taken, nothing. However we still welcome them to play with us!
Everyone I run with is BiS Geared.
GF - 15.9k /w Crafted BiS Weapon & Shield
All other players are BiS GEAR with Rank 8+ Enchants GS around 13k
Top Damage every run GWF
2nd Damage every run CW
Sometimes we'll bring 2 CW's and drop the TR.
TR's are the 5th wheel in MC and easily replaced by another CW.
The ONLY reason you don't want to bring a GWF is because you don't have a Pro GWF in your guild/team. Once you do a run with a GWF with Godly damage you'll want 1 in every run.
+1
The TR gets wiped out by all the Totemists in every MC run I've been in. It is quite hilarious. Another CW/GWF is way more valuable. Honestly, again for survivability the GWF is far superior to the CW.
But dk makes a great point, you just are used to playing with bad GWFs.
Everyone I run with is BiS Geared.
GF - 15.9k /w Crafted BiS Weapon & Shield
All other players are BiS GEAR with Rank 8+ Enchants GS around 13k
Top Damage every run GWF
2nd Damage every run CW
Sometimes we'll bring 2 CW's and drop the TR.
TR's are the 5th wheel in MC and easily replaced by another CW.
The ONLY reason you don't want to bring a GWF is because you don't have a Pro GWF in your guild/team. Once you do a run with a GWF with Godly damage you'll want 1 in every run.
I will concede that I haven't run MC b/c a few in my guild rushed to it and it seems all good loot other than shards is BoP and the shards are dropping in price every hour so it just doesn't seem profitable. Also I hear the MC is a GWF friendly dungeon.
FH - multiple push spots, bosses are 1 character kites everyone else does full boss DPS, tank GWF is great for kiting but DPS falls off hard on single target damage.
Karru - Most of the instance is skipped, bosses are killed by CW, final boss is 1 person kites and everyone else full boss DPS.
Spider - almost 100% pushing, CW's chain CC or push boss adds while everyone else full dps boss, final boss needs absolute max single target DPS to succeed. Again Tank GWF can be good.
Spell - most of the instance is pushed, 1 person kites adds everyone else full DPS bosses.
CN - everything is chain CC'd until it's dead or bumped over, again tank GWF can be of some use but don't really need a tank.
I won't go into T1's but for all "end game" dungeons other than MC (I don't really know MC) replacing a CW/TR with a DPS GWF will slow you down. Not to mention it's not even fun for the GWF cause everything he's trying to attack gets bumped off. a 13k+ TR with G. or P vorpal is going to do over double single target damage and a 13k+ CW is going to do comparable AOE (as you said) with the added bonus of being able to CC every add indefinitely or shove entire groups to their instant death. AOE damage is not "perk" when you have to concede all utility and single target damage to get it.
Again Tank GWF's are still viable, they just have to have very nice gear.
Have fun though, if you enjoy running with GWF that's awesome! If you clear quickly with them that's awesome! But you can't stand there and say GWF > X b/c GWF has 2 mil more damage at the end of the instance, trash mob damage is negligible at best.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I will concede that I haven't run MC b/c a few in my guild rushed to it and it seems all good loot other than shards is BoP and the shards are dropping in price every hour so it just doesn't seem profitable. Also I hear the MC is a GWF friendly dungeon.
FH - multiple push spots, bosses are 1 character kites everyone else does full boss DPS, tank GWF is great for kiting but DPS falls off hard on single target damage.
Karru - Most of the instance is skipped, bosses are killed by CW, final boss is 1 person kites and everyone else full boss DPS.
Spider - almost 100% pushing, CW's chain CC or push boss adds while everyone else full dps boss, final boss needs absolute max single target DPS to succeed. Again Tank GWF can be good.
Spell - most of the instance is pushed, 1 person kites adds everyone else full DPS bosses.
CN - everything is chain CC'd until it's dead or bumped over, again tank GWF can be of some use but don't really need a tank.
I won't go into T1's but for all "end game" dungeons other than MC (I don't really know MC) replacing a CW/TR with a DPS GWF will slow you down. Not to mention it's not even fun for the GWF cause everything he's trying to attack gets bumped off. a 13k+ TR with G. or P vorpal is going to do over double single target damage and a 13k+ CW is going to do comparable AOE (as you said) with the added bonus of being able to CC every add indefinitely or shove entire groups to their instant death. AOE damage is not "perk" when you have to concede all utility and single target damage to get it.
Again Tank GWF's are still viable, they just have to have very nice gear.
Have fun though, if you enjoy running with GWF that's awesome! If you clear quickly with them that's awesome! But you can't stand there and say GWF > X b/c GWF has 2 mil more damage at the end of the instance, trash mob damage is negligible at best.
Trash is EVERYTHING and why players bring 2-3 CW's for the TRASH not the bosses. Bosses are easy and ONLY MC has the first boss fight that's actually has some mechanic's to it besides add's.
Also T2 is worthless as Chest is BoP and no reason to run the dungeons unless a guildmate needs something from it. MC is the only fun dungeon right now with an actual boss fight mechanic. It's also why so many players have an issue with the fight as they die to simple mechanic's.
Trash is EVERYTHING and why players bring 2-3 CW's for the TRASH not the bosses. Bosses are easy and ONLY MC has the first boss fight that's actually has some mechanic's to it besides add's.
Also T2 is worthless as Chest is BoP and no reason to run the dungeons unless a guildmate needs something from it. MC is the only fun dungeon right now with an actual boss fight mechanic. It's also why so many players have an issue with the fight as they die to simple mechanic's.
So to clear trash would I rather have a GWF beat on it while it beats on us and kill it ~10 seconds faster or have a CW chain CC it so it doesn't even touch the party, or bump it over the edge and kill it instantly. Everyone keeps saying T2 is worthless, but look at gear prices. 1 T2 item will net you ~400k or more, with a good group you can make money faster than ever.
I'm glad MC introduces new mechanics other than adds, and I'm even glad it's GWF friendly, b/c the rest of the game just isn't.
How can you argue that 2-3 minute clear time (of trash only, you lose that time again on boss damage) is greater than unlimited CC with 2 CW's? 2 CW's in CN that are experienced could do the trash without even bringing a DC if they just had a little lifesteal. CW's have greater single target damage than GWF as well, they just have to swap out a couple spells.
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I will concede that I haven't run MC b/c a few in my guild rushed to it and it seems all good loot other than shards is BoP and the shards are dropping in price every hour so it just doesn't seem profitable. Also I hear the MC is a GWF friendly dungeon.
FH - multiple push spots, bosses are 1 character kites everyone else does full boss DPS, tank GWF is great for kiting but DPS falls off hard on single target damage.
Karru - Most of the instance is skipped, bosses are killed by CW, final boss is 1 person kites and everyone else full boss DPS.
Spider - almost 100% pushing, CW's chain CC or push boss adds while everyone else full dps boss, final boss needs absolute max single target DPS to succeed. Again Tank GWF can be good.
Spell - most of the instance is pushed, 1 person kites adds everyone else full DPS bosses.
CN - everything is chain CC'd until it's dead or bumped over, again tank GWF can be of some use but don't really need a tank.
I won't go into T1's but for all "end game" dungeons other than MC (I don't really know MC) replacing a CW/TR with a DPS GWF will slow you down. Not to mention it's not even fun for the GWF cause everything he's trying to attack gets bumped off. a 13k+ TR with G. or P vorpal is going to do over double single target damage and a 13k+ CW is going to do comparable AOE (as you said) with the added bonus of being able to CC every add indefinitely or shove entire groups to their instant death. AOE damage is not "perk" when you have to concede all utility and single target damage to get it.
Again Tank GWF's are still viable, they just have to have very nice gear.
Have fun though, if you enjoy running with GWF that's awesome! If you clear quickly with them that's awesome! But you can't stand there and say GWF > X b/c GWF has 2 mil more damage at the end of the instance, trash mob damage is negligible at best.
Clearly you aren't even playing the game as it was intended. Skipping an entire instance is not doing the dungeon correctly. In a pro group/guild (like what I run in) we can kill faster than we can push... also having to kite adds on a boss is considered bush league, we can burn them and the boss so fast.
No TR would replace my GWF in the level of play that I am in. We already have an elite CW that pushes out more dps and doesn't take stupid deaths, unlike anything ive seen on my server. Another CW replacing my GWF would actually hurt the party.
So to clear trash would I rather have a GWF beat on it while it beats on us and kill it ~10 seconds faster or have a CW chain CC it so it doesn't even touch the party, or bump it over the edge and kill it instantly. Everyone keeps saying T2 is worthless, but look at gear prices. 1 T2 item will net you ~400k or more, with a good group you can make money faster than ever.
I'm glad MC introduces new mechanics other than adds, and I'm even glad it's GWF friendly, b/c the rest of the game just isn't.
How can you argue that 2-3 minute clear time (of trash only, you lose that time again on boss damage) is greater than unlimited CC with 2 CW's? 2 CW's in CN that are experienced could do the trash without even bringing a DC if they just had a little lifesteal. CW's have greater single target damage than GWF as well, they just have to swap out a couple spells.
You can only do so much trash chucking and Neverwinter is getting away from that. See you haven't done MC where they took all of that low skill stuff out of the game. CWs that over pull and try to play that way get killed so fast.
You can only do so much trash chucking and Neverwinter is getting away from that. See you haven't done MC where they took all of that low skill stuff out of the game. CWs that over pull and try to play that way get killed so fast.
This is why I really enjoy MC because it plays to my team synergy Maximum DPS zerging trash. We burn everything in 1-2 sing's and move to next pack, even our DC's burn the trash. The key is top end gear with everyone using armor sets, weapon enchants that maximize team DPS. This way you can kill kill the small elites in 1 pull leaving the 1-2 big guys for team to burn down.
Clearly you aren't even playing the game as it was intended. Skipping an entire instance is not doing the dungeon correctly. In a pro group/guild (like what I run in) we can kill faster than we can push... also having to kite adds on a boss is considered bush league, we can burn them and the boss so fast.
No TR would replace my GWF in the level of play that I am in. We already have an elite CW that pushes out more dps and doesn't take stupid deaths, unlike anything ive seen on my server. Another CW replacing my GWF would actually hurt the party.
You can only do so much trash chucking and Neverwinter is getting away from that. See you haven't done MC where they took all of that low skill stuff out of the game. CWs that over pull and try to play that way get killed so fast.
Wow share some of your left-click holding pro skills with the rest of us! I am just too much of a bad to beat the PvE content that is always exactly 100% the same every single **** run, I just lack the "skill" of killing things slower with a GWF in my party.
Point 1: 2 CW's can chain CC EVERYTHING until it's dead keeping the party from taking any damage and doing it ~10 seconds slower than GWF would while taking damage.
Point 2: refer to point 1 until it sinks in...
PvP is the only aspect of the game that requires you to actually think and react to changing enemies. A bot (albeit a fancy one =P) could be programmed to completely clear all PvE as it is unchanging and follows the exact same AI every time, that is not "skill".
You don't PvP b/c you get crushed by us non-pro guild, unskilled folks no doubt.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Wow share some of your left-click holding pro skills with the rest of us! I am just too much of a bad to beat the PvE content that is always exactly 100% the same every single **** run, I just lack the "skill" of killing things slower with a GWF in my party.
Point 1: 2 CW's can chain CC EVERYTHING until it's dead keeping the party from taking any damage and doing it ~10 seconds slower than GWF would while taking damage.
Shows your lack of knowledge of PVE as many elites are immune to Singularity. MC is the new format that removed knocking mobs off ledges and hard hitting melee minions & elites that can 1-2 shot players with many unique mechanic's. Completely new style of dungeon for NW.
Point 2: refer to point 1 until it sinks in... Yes refer to point 1. You don't PvE and think you know what you are talking about.
PvP is the only aspect of the game that requires you to actually think and react to changing enemies. A bot (albeit a fancy one =P) could be programmed to completely clear all PvE as it is unchanging and follows the exact same AI every time, that is not "skill".
You don't PvP b/c you get crushed by us non-pro guild, unskilled folks no doubt.
I'm the #1 Guardian Fighter in NW for PvP. But yeah I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to PvP, let alone being a tank/dps for many MMO's for past 8+ yrs.
Congrats on playing a lot of video games lol, how can you claim #1? Have you fought all other PvP guild GF's on PTR?. As I said I am not referring to MC, I am referring to the other 98% of the game where 2 CW's are better than taking a GWF. The few mobs that are immune to CC are so slow and telegraphed that a mentally challenged baby would have a hard time not dodging them (I will probably get this post deleted)
Even if you are #1 GF in PvP how does that make your stand on GWF in PvE any more relevant lol?
On a side note my guild would love to get some cross server PvP going on PTR if you or your guild is interested?
Edit: I'm going to be leaving work soon, so if I don't get back with you right away I'm just not looking at the forums.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Wow share some of your left-click holding pro skills with the rest of us! I am just too much of a bad to beat the PvE content that is always exactly 100% the same every single **** run, I just lack the "skill" of killing things slower with a GWF in my party.
Point 1: 2 CW's can chain CC EVERYTHING until it's dead keeping the party from taking any damage and doing it ~10 seconds slower than GWF would while taking damage.
Point 2: refer to point 1 until it sinks in...
PvP is the only aspect of the game that requires you to actually think and react to changing enemies. A bot (albeit a fancy one =P) could be programmed to completely clear all PvE as it is unchanging and follows the exact same AI every time, that is not "skill".
You don't PvP b/c you get crushed by us non-pro guild, unskilled folks no doubt.
I don't PVP because I have no interest in it. I never have in any MMO that I have ever played. Skill has nothing to do with it, I could build a PVP character if I wanted to, but again I have no interest. I only enjoy PVE content.
Based on previous posts that I have read from you, I don't think you would even make a roster spot playing with us -- you just wouldn't be geared enough and you condone exploits (as you stated in the locked thread about running to campfires).
Your "Point 1" doesn't matter, we still burn trash faster than your mega groups of 3-4 CWs "hold CC". We can use 1 CW and clear all content fast and easy. One big difference in our game -- I'm not cheating.
I don't PVP because I have no interest in it. I never have in any MMO that I have ever played. Skill has nothing to do with it, I could build a PVP character if I wanted to, but again I have no interest. I only enjoy PVE content.
Based on previous posts that I have read from you, I don't think you would even make a roster spot playing with us -- you just wouldn't be geared enough and you condone exploits (as you stated in the locked thread about running to campfires).
Your "Point 1" doesn't matter, we still burn trash faster than your mega groups of 3-4 CWs "hold CC". We can use 1 CW and clear all content fast and easy. One big difference in our game -- I'm not cheating.
So I'm hearing "we could totally destroy you if we wanted to! but we don't..." and "you're a cheater cuz you don't play the game how I think it should be played!"
2 CW's = infinite CC chain, not 4.
I condone anything that cryptic condone's b/c that is the only thing that matters. Do you drive 44 in a 45 mph zone? Do you drink only 1 beer per hour b/c more than that could be considered binge drinking? Are you a vegetarian b/c there is a .001% chance that some chemical they fed to the cow could cause cancer?
Everything in life has a risk vs. reward, cryptic has never banned anyone for running to the next campfire to my knowledge so the only reason I see that I shouldn't do it is that seisem2's guild thinks only cheaters do that, not pro's like them. Lol TBH that makes me want to do it more...
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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Irrelevant at best.
Reroll a gwf from scratch and come back here to tell us how you feel.
SO you do admit that the only viable path for GWF right now is Sentinel and all other path is garbage. Thank you for saying that, LMAO.
Good AP gain you say????
Facepalm!!!
Every GWF knows current AP gain is by far the worst of any class by around 300%
...Well, the sentinel at least.
if you cant beat them join them
tru that just rolled a tr and their dailys are coming much much faster then my ex gwf bis monstrum...tr its only lvl 20 tho what a joke.
You think we didn't start at a lower GS? My guild would not be taking any 8-10k class to CN... top T2 dungeon maybe. You have to start from the bottom and progress to get to where I am at. It doesn't happen over night.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Nope. I am a full destroyer and have no problem pouring the high end DPS out along with soaking up damage.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
First of all, I don't care about PVP -- so let's get that out of the way.
I want to say that not 1 TR has ever put out more damage or kills in ANY instance T1/T2/CN/MC/Skirmish than my GWF. So rolling a TR that is "much better" is a complete lie. I can be beaten by some elite CWs, but they won't beat me in other aspects (overall kills, damage taken, etc). They literally will take so many deaths just to be a hundred k above me in damage. The TRs are millions behind.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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But the trade off from the AP gain is the fact that I can go unstoppable every few seconds and do insane AOE damage. That is WAY more valuable to me than any daily that we have.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
The ONLY time a CW will out damage a GWF is if the CW is intentionally pushing mobs away and not bunching them up. We've seen CW's do this intentionally when they notice they are not #1 in dmg and those CW's get the boot.
Yep they do that and they will purposely try to run in and grab aggro first, hilarious when they die left and right. Really sloppy players.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
TRASH MOB DPS DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL!!!!!111one
you gain at most 3-5 minutes with the increase in trash mob damage while losing nearly ALL utility and about 50% boss damage. GWF can fill the tank role with good gear, they are especially great in FH as their regen allows you to not even need to kill the archers.
GWF's are however PvP beasts, mine does only PvP and once in a while FH if my guild can't find anyone else.
Of course you can do any dungeon in the game with GWF, and more power to you if you run with your guild and have fun, but you cannot make the argument that GWF is better than another CW/TR from a clear speed/ease of run standpoint. Talking of course equally geared, obviously 13k GWF > 10k TR/CW.
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Everyone I run with is BiS Geared.
GF - 15.9k /w Crafted BiS Weapon & Shield
All other players are BiS GEAR with Rank 8+ Enchants GS around 13k
Top Damage every run GWF
2nd Damage every run CW
Sometimes we'll bring 2 CW's and drop the TR.
TR's are the 5th wheel in MC and easily replaced by another CW.
The ONLY reason you don't want to bring a GWF is because you don't have a Pro GWF in your guild/team. Once you do a run with a GWF with Godly damage you'll want 1 in every run.
Trash Mob DPS doesn't count? So we should cheat and skip all the mobs is what you are saying? What is the point of doing the dungeon then if you are just going to cheat.
Also pretty much EVERY final boss in the game is loaded with adds -- this is where my GWF excels. You can literally stack them on the boss and I can help AOE burn them (and the boss) down.
Like I said, an elite CW (gear is only half of it, skill is the other) can out DPS my GWF... it just is what it is. However, there is no TR that can touch an overall run in dps, kills, damage taken, nothing. However we still welcome them to play with us!
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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The TR gets wiped out by all the Totemists in every MC run I've been in. It is quite hilarious. Another CW/GWF is way more valuable. Honestly, again for survivability the GWF is far superior to the CW.
But dk makes a great point, you just are used to playing with bad GWFs.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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I will concede that I haven't run MC b/c a few in my guild rushed to it and it seems all good loot other than shards is BoP and the shards are dropping in price every hour so it just doesn't seem profitable. Also I hear the MC is a GWF friendly dungeon.
FH - multiple push spots, bosses are 1 character kites everyone else does full boss DPS, tank GWF is great for kiting but DPS falls off hard on single target damage.
Karru - Most of the instance is skipped, bosses are killed by CW, final boss is 1 person kites and everyone else full boss DPS.
Spider - almost 100% pushing, CW's chain CC or push boss adds while everyone else full dps boss, final boss needs absolute max single target DPS to succeed. Again Tank GWF can be good.
Spell - most of the instance is pushed, 1 person kites adds everyone else full DPS bosses.
CN - everything is chain CC'd until it's dead or bumped over, again tank GWF can be of some use but don't really need a tank.
I won't go into T1's but for all "end game" dungeons other than MC (I don't really know MC) replacing a CW/TR with a DPS GWF will slow you down. Not to mention it's not even fun for the GWF cause everything he's trying to attack gets bumped off. a 13k+ TR with G. or P vorpal is going to do over double single target damage and a 13k+ CW is going to do comparable AOE (as you said) with the added bonus of being able to CC every add indefinitely or shove entire groups to their instant death. AOE damage is not "perk" when you have to concede all utility and single target damage to get it.
Again Tank GWF's are still viable, they just have to have very nice gear.
Have fun though, if you enjoy running with GWF that's awesome! If you clear quickly with them that's awesome! But you can't stand there and say GWF > X b/c GWF has 2 mil more damage at the end of the instance, trash mob damage is negligible at best.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Trash is EVERYTHING and why players bring 2-3 CW's for the TRASH not the bosses. Bosses are easy and ONLY MC has the first boss fight that's actually has some mechanic's to it besides add's.
Also T2 is worthless as Chest is BoP and no reason to run the dungeons unless a guildmate needs something from it. MC is the only fun dungeon right now with an actual boss fight mechanic. It's also why so many players have an issue with the fight as they die to simple mechanic's.
So to clear trash would I rather have a GWF beat on it while it beats on us and kill it ~10 seconds faster or have a CW chain CC it so it doesn't even touch the party, or bump it over the edge and kill it instantly. Everyone keeps saying T2 is worthless, but look at gear prices. 1 T2 item will net you ~400k or more, with a good group you can make money faster than ever.
I'm glad MC introduces new mechanics other than adds, and I'm even glad it's GWF friendly, b/c the rest of the game just isn't.
How can you argue that 2-3 minute clear time (of trash only, you lose that time again on boss damage) is greater than unlimited CC with 2 CW's? 2 CW's in CN that are experienced could do the trash without even bringing a DC if they just had a little lifesteal. CW's have greater single target damage than GWF as well, they just have to swap out a couple spells.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Clearly you aren't even playing the game as it was intended. Skipping an entire instance is not doing the dungeon correctly. In a pro group/guild (like what I run in) we can kill faster than we can push... also having to kite adds on a boss is considered bush league, we can burn them and the boss so fast.
No TR would replace my GWF in the level of play that I am in. We already have an elite CW that pushes out more dps and doesn't take stupid deaths, unlike anything ive seen on my server. Another CW replacing my GWF would actually hurt the party.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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You can only do so much trash chucking and Neverwinter is getting away from that. See you haven't done MC where they took all of that low skill stuff out of the game. CWs that over pull and try to play that way get killed so fast.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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This is why I really enjoy MC because it plays to my team synergy Maximum DPS zerging trash. We burn everything in 1-2 sing's and move to next pack, even our DC's burn the trash. The key is top end gear with everyone using armor sets, weapon enchants that maximize team DPS. This way you can kill kill the small elites in 1 pull leaving the 1-2 big guys for team to burn down.
Wow share some of your left-click holding pro skills with the rest of us! I am just too much of a bad to beat the PvE content that is always exactly 100% the same every single **** run, I just lack the "skill" of killing things slower with a GWF in my party.
Point 1: 2 CW's can chain CC EVERYTHING until it's dead keeping the party from taking any damage and doing it ~10 seconds slower than GWF would while taking damage.
Point 2: refer to point 1 until it sinks in...
PvP is the only aspect of the game that requires you to actually think and react to changing enemies. A bot (albeit a fancy one =P) could be programmed to completely clear all PvE as it is unchanging and follows the exact same AI every time, that is not "skill".
You don't PvP b/c you get crushed by us non-pro guild, unskilled folks no doubt.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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Congrats on playing a lot of video games lol, how can you claim #1? Have you fought all other PvP guild GF's on PTR?. As I said I am not referring to MC, I am referring to the other 98% of the game where 2 CW's are better than taking a GWF. The few mobs that are immune to CC are so slow and telegraphed that a mentally challenged baby would have a hard time not dodging them (I will probably get this post deleted)
Even if you are #1 GF in PvP how does that make your stand on GWF in PvE any more relevant lol?
On a side note my guild would love to get some cross server PvP going on PTR if you or your guild is interested?
Edit: I'm going to be leaving work soon, so if I don't get back with you right away I'm just not looking at the forums.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I don't PVP because I have no interest in it. I never have in any MMO that I have ever played. Skill has nothing to do with it, I could build a PVP character if I wanted to, but again I have no interest. I only enjoy PVE content.
Based on previous posts that I have read from you, I don't think you would even make a roster spot playing with us -- you just wouldn't be geared enough and you condone exploits (as you stated in the locked thread about running to campfires).
Your "Point 1" doesn't matter, we still burn trash faster than your mega groups of 3-4 CWs "hold CC". We can use 1 CW and clear all content fast and easy. One big difference in our game -- I'm not cheating.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
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So I'm hearing "we could totally destroy you if we wanted to! but we don't..." and "you're a cheater cuz you don't play the game how I think it should be played!"
2 CW's = infinite CC chain, not 4.
I condone anything that cryptic condone's b/c that is the only thing that matters. Do you drive 44 in a 45 mph zone? Do you drink only 1 beer per hour b/c more than that could be considered binge drinking? Are you a vegetarian b/c there is a .001% chance that some chemical they fed to the cow could cause cancer?
Everything in life has a risk vs. reward, cryptic has never banned anyone for running to the next campfire to my knowledge so the only reason I see that I shouldn't do it is that seisem2's guild thinks only cheaters do that, not pro's like them. Lol TBH that makes me want to do it more...
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.