Shelfing the GWF

farfig1337 · September 2013

Well guys I fought hard for the GWF made all sorts of good constructive feedback on the many areas that the GWF can be improved. But now it seems GWF are excluded from MC dragon fight. All we can do now is 2/3 farm MC... Wee... I always hate not completing dungeons leaves me with an empty feeling.

So I'm done... I know about a dozen of you GWFs players are left... I want to know if your staying and for what possible reason is there left to stay?

mbllanes199 · September 2013

I guess you will never find the answers you are looking for; how can they reply when they all left, well im staying, logging on 1hr. per day for the Campaign then Playing World of Tank rest of my Free time. LOL ><. and oh, reading forums in the office and thats about it for me.

ortzhy · September 2013

rolled a GF and left my GWF be. It was my first char, but class was rly bad for CN and is bad as well for Malabog last boss. Only thing it does is play a regen build in pvp and that;s it. I do have all classes lvl 60 and for me gwf is by far the worse experience.

rki2 · September 2013

keep calm and roll a sentinel pvp gwf

chudovishye · September 2013

rki2 wrote: »

keep calm and roll a sentinel pvp gwf

See, that's the problem right there, some of us don't want to roll a different GWF just because it's really the best one, we want to have other options. Devs don't seem to get that, all they keep focusing on is their ****ing Zen wallets with bull**** leprechauns and double HAMSTER companions.

kolatmaster · September 2013

Still rocking my GWF Sentinel build, and why? Because I still enjoy the game despite it's bugs/shortcomings. It's not perfect, but I love the world (big DnD fan), and the friends I've made. I also don't mind grinding out the Dailies/Quests for the Boons and such... Adds something to the game, sometimes tedious, but eventually gives a sense of accomplishment IMO.

So yea, those are my reasons... :cool:

chudovishye · September 2013

kolatmaster wrote: »

Still rocking my GWF Sentinel build, and why? Because I still enjoy the game despite it's bugs/shortcomings. It's not perfect, but I love the world (big DnD fan), and the friends I've made. I also don't mind grinding out the Dailies/Quests for the Boons and such... Adds something to the game, sometimes tedious, but eventually gives a sense of accomplishment IMO.

So yea, those are my reasons... :cool:

No, your reason is you play a Sentinel, which is basically set as a path now and doesn't need touched.

kolatmaster · September 2013

chudovishye wrote: »

No, your reason is you play a Sentinel, which is basically set as a path now and doesn't need touched.

False.

I stated my reasons for continuing to play correctly.

Thanks for trying though! :cool:

grimah · September 2013

chudovishye wrote: »

No, your reason is you play a Sentinel, which is basically set as a path now and doesn't need touched.

sentinel is crappy in PvE now, since our AP regen got hammered. Threat is impossible to get even with my full rank 8 gwf, and maximum damage/threat sentinel build. like a poster before me, i decided to level up a GF, though he moves so slow and is less mobile atleast i can get things to hit me.

Also if you want to just PvP i dont see why you dont just re-spec to sentinel. you dont need super high con so re-rolling base stat isnt a nessecity. and you will be using the same encounters (just not the same features). apart from that theres no difference in playstyle only 1 does more damage and takes more, and vice versa.

chudovishye · September 2013

kolatmaster wrote: »

False.

I stated my reasons for continuing to play correctly.

Thanks for trying though! :cool:

A complete automaton.

vortix44 · September 2013

farfig1337 wrote: »

Well guys I fought hard for the GWF made all sorts of good constructive feedback on the many areas that the GWF can be improved. But now it seems GWF are excluded from MC dragon fight. All we can do now is 2/3 farm MC... Wee... I always hate not completing dungeons leaves me with an empty feeling.

So I'm done... I know about a dozen of you GWFs players are left... I want to know if your staying and for what possible reason is there left to stay?

Dread vault, end boss, tentacle kills me and the GF at the beginning of the fight, the TR/CW/DC easily trio the big brain.
GG Crypt, we're only two in the party, I decide it's just impossible and I stay at entrance campfire. The TR thinks otherwise and just soloes the big spider and all the adds.

In both cases, I passed when they opened the reward chest.

cribstaxxx · September 2013

Kolat has been sent since way pre-patch and mostly a PvE player. He is the only really great Tank GWF I know of that could be brought to any dungeon and do very well. He not only holds agro amazingly well, but dishes out a fair share of damage while taking very little.

The one thing they did buff for GWF is most of our set bonuses. AoW was increased to 10 seconds, allowing it to be up constantly, and vigilant was buffed big time as well, giving it a more tanky aspect.

slayorian · September 2013

As much as I love the play style of this class. And, I enjoyed the fact that if you were really good and put a lot of effort into each fight, you could do amazingly well. Now, you can put in that ton of effort and do average at best. It's pretty sad, really. I'm hoping that one day they make the class a bit more effective. Terrible AP gain nerf, unstoppable bug, lack of damage in general, being as squishy as a wiz if you aren't sentinel specced... it's not good.

On the flip side, I've geared up my wiz and have been loving it.

kolatmaster · September 2013

chudovishye wrote: »

A complete automaton.

I, obviously, disagree... But hey, hold whatever opinion you want, it's your life to live!

cribstaxxx wrote: »

Kolat has been sent since way pre-patch and mostly a PvE player. He is the only really great Tank GWF I know of that could be brought to any dungeon and do very well. He not only holds agro amazingly well, but dishes out a fair share of damage while taking very little.

Thanks for the kudos mi amigo... I've rocked all dungeons/instances multiple times to the end multiple times. The build does work, but again I don't run it to be highest on the DPS charts, not even close... I run it because I like it. As for Aggro, I hold it as well as possible honestly, it is far from perfect honestly and would love to see it increased a tad. Though I work within the parameters of what is provided!

cribstaxxx wrote: »

The one thing they did buff for GWF is most of our set bonuses. AoW was increased to 10 seconds, allowing it to be up constantly, and vigilant was buffed big time as well, giving it a more tanky aspect.

I am tempted to shelve the Titan 2x Set for the Full Vigilant, but the 1800 HP and the almost 5% regen I get from them combined is (currently) too good to pass up IMO.

zardoz007 · September 2013

I see two pages of response and only 2 GWF players still say that GWF is playable. Does anyone else see a problem with this picture.

Devs...

DEVS!

Yeah I'm looking at you Devs

zuthuul · September 2013

I still play my GWF just because of sentimental value. It was my first character and still the best geared out of the rest of mine. I love the play style and I still do pretty well in PvP/PvE, not as good as I did before the nerf, but I still can manage. I play a sentinel right now and would love to go back and play destroyer again, but honestly neither build will counteract the nerf. I guess the best we can do is bear it until another we either complain enough or get a new paragon class to test out.

Kolat, I'm with ya. I'll still keep playing because I still like and have hope for the GWF.

kolatmaster · September 2013

zuthuul wrote: »

Kolat, I'm with ya. I'll still keep playing because I still like and have hope for the GWF.

Exactly! *high five* :cool:

mistatos · September 2013

Eh, I just check back regularly to see if there are any updates. Sent build really isn't my style but it looks like most of us are being pigeon holed into this build. Besides that, my verizon fios connection is having issues with the server and I can't play anyways. Keep on rocking GWF's.

seisem2 · September 2013

zardoz007 wrote: »

I see two pages of response and only 2 GWF players still say that GWF is playable. Does anyone else see a problem with this picture.

Devs...

DEVS!

Yeah I'm looking at you Devs

Add me to the list that says GWF is playable. I don't understand why so many people struggle with this class.

cyanbluestone007 · September 2013

Simple players struggle with this class because no one wants them in groups. Players that want GWF expect them to do massive damage as they can fulfill no other useful Role. The GWF base damage on all his attacks are lower than every other classes most comparable moves. Dont believe me? get a GF and a GWF to 60 give them a basic first tier purple weapon and no other gear and see whos moves do more damage. Even DC's are better, but harder to find a strait up comparison.

All the GWF has that no other class has is the 5 target hit limit reliable at wills, Encounters are terrible, both for damage and utility, Dailys are poor both for damage and utility and so very very slow to use.

GWF is simply not playble until other players want to play with them as much as CW's and DC's

kierlakx · September 2013

seisem2 wrote: »

Add me to the list that says GWF is playable. I don't understand why so many people struggle with this class.

Because it's a ****ty class. It's a poorly realized class, with contradictory mechanics, and it's damage output is artificially truncated for no acceptable reason. People blatantly abuse a glitch to try and surpass the built in damage reduction out of desperation, and then try and pass it off as how you are supposed to play the class.

Actually, that's a pretty good description of the entire game. Abuse glitches because the design is bad, and then pretend that's how you are supposed to play.

mbllanes199 · September 2013

seisem2 wrote: »

Add me to the list that says GWF is playable. I don't understand why so many people struggle with this class.

You are sent build with 13.7kgs geeezz, lol, ofcourse its fine with you, but its not fine for the rest of GWF, geeeez some ppl only think of themselves.

bytheway im 13.8kgs Sent build for your info, and no im not strugling as Sent, but i have been force to change path from destroyer to Sent for me to be able to play my gwf, and no dont ask me to roll out another toon, i just played new other game, thank you... LOL

marciooh · September 2013

I love my sent build also, all I read about on the forums was to go to destroyer build, every other person says to go destroyer build since GWF is for DPS and destroyer is for DPS build.

This weekend I been re-evaluating my build again and tried to see figure how destroyer would be compared to my sentinel build right now. And no, I figured that the destroyer build wouldn't do more damage than I do now with my sentinel build. I am not even that high in GS yet though, around 10,6k + stone.

I lay my focus on a high crit rate and healing abilities of the sentinel build. Also like the char in pvp. Can't wait to see how my char will be in 2 days with my fomorian greatsword :-)

seisem2 · September 2013

mbllanes199 wrote: »

You are sent build with 13.7kgs geeezz, lol, ofcourse its fine with you, but its not fine for the rest of GWF, geeeez some ppl only think of themselves.

bytheway im 13.8kgs Sent build for your info, and no im not strugling as Sent, but i have been force to change path from destroyer to Sent for me to be able to play my gwf, and no dont ask me to roll out another toon, i just played new other game, thank you... LOL

I'm a full Destroyer build not Sentinel.

seisem2 · September 2013

kierlakx wrote: »

Because it's a ****ty class. It's a poorly realized class, with contradictory mechanics, and it's damage output is artificially truncated for no acceptable reason. People blatantly abuse a glitch to try and surpass the built in damage reduction out of desperation, and then try and pass it off as how you are supposed to play the class.

Actually, that's a pretty good description of the entire game. Abuse glitches because the design is bad, and then pretend that's how you are supposed to play.

There is no glitches with how I play. GWF when played properly can out DPS almost any class -- the only class that is stronger is an elite CW.. nothing else can come close to my damage.

seisem2 · September 2013

cyanbluestone007 wrote: »

Simple players struggle with this class because no one wants them in groups. Players that want GWF expect them to do massive damage as they can fulfill no other useful Role. The GWF base damage on all his attacks are lower than every other classes most comparable moves. Dont believe me? get a GF and a GWF to 60 give them a basic first tier purple weapon and no other gear and see whos moves do more damage. Even DC's are better, but harder to find a strait up comparison.

All the GWF has that no other class has is the 5 target hit limit reliable at wills, Encounters are terrible, both for damage and utility, Dailys are poor both for damage and utility and so very very slow to use.

GWF is simply not playble until other players want to play with them as much as CW's and DC's

No other useful role? Not only do I basically top the DPS meters but I will also soak the most damage, have the most kills, and tank the boss in almost every fight when our guild GF is not on.

dkcandy · September 2013

seisem2 wrote: »

No other useful role? Not only do I basically top the DPS meters but I will also soak the most damage, have the most kills, and tank the boss in almost every fight when our guild GF is not on.

Seisem2 - You can not reason with the baddies. They don't know how to play GWF nor how to gear/feat the class to do top damage and have the knowledge on how to tank. Most players compensate by stacking more CW's in their party and doing slower runs.

seisem2 · September 2013

dkcandy wrote: »

Seisem2 - You can not reason with the baddies. They don't know how to play GWF nor how to gear/feat the class to do top damage and have the knowledge on how to tank. Most players compensate by stacking more CW's in their party and doing slower runs.

I don't understand why they are on the forums complaining. There is a wealth of resource out there, plus myself and others have offered to help. I started this game in Beta as a cleric -- why? Because I am a healer at heart in ALL rpgs. I only made a GWF as a side project and didn't realize it would turn into my favorite class in the game.

duthgar1976 · September 2013

these people need to quit crying and learn to play their class. my Destroyer always kicks *** and my guildies love haveing me in every group. when i do pugs for recruit peopole are impressed at how i work my character. bunch of cry babies shesh.

mbllanes199 · September 2013

you are all fkng high GS of course there is nothing to complain, but have you for a minute taken into consideration those under 8-10kgs, LOL. bytheway, thesame 8-10kgs other class is doing CN and other top T2 Dungeon, but ordinary gwf would not be able to do that, now, try doning a 9kgs and try again, then come back here.

ortzhy · September 2013

mbllanes199 wrote: »

you are all fkng high GS of course there is nothing to complain, but have you for a minute taken into consideration those under 8-10kgs, LOL. bytheway, thesame 8-10kgs other class is doing CN and other top T2 Dungeon, but ordinary gwf would not be able to do that, now, try doing a 9kgs and try again, then come back here.

Maybe GWF is the perfect class in some really special conditions like bug feats someone posted earlier.. with glitches and perfect enchants, but class has poor design and for this i can give u one example: Take Down is a skill that is impossible to dodge if someone has a better connection and impossible to hit you if he doesnt, hell you can even dodge Crescendo!
AP gain for recovery builds was essential and i dont see why we need to change all our gear cause someone decided to change roar without testing. I have the same feelings as kierlaks regarding GWF.

Shelfing the GWF

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