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GF and melee dominance in PvP is sickening
errantvolley
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Everyone is respecing as GF TR GWF. The game is degenerating into CC immune prone zerging with a few 2-shot TR kills tossed in for good measure. I was just in a PvP match with GF bouncing like rabits to ping DCs and CWs on bridge with their charges. They were actually airborne! It was comedic but really too much. Pretty awesome range damage for a melee tank. TRs are, as usual, doing their thing from stealth either with their overpowered impact shot range stun (why do they even have that?) or LA nonsense. There are still nearly impossible to kill GWF builds running around but after the damage nerf it is a more balanced build unless we stack Tenebs.
In this match I was one of the GWFs but I spent the whole match prone as GF after GF took turns charging me. Best defense with near infinite prone (best CC) and too much damage for GF is a disaster in PvP.
Not sure what the solution here is but the current PvP situation is GF > TR > GWF > gap > CW > DC. Whoever has the most GFs will win since each side almost always has two TRs. What a mess.
CC diminishing returns wont help because the GF kills you in so few skills. It would actually weaken the two caster classes. Taking CC from GF TR is probably part of the answer.
It figures that one Level 60 I don't have is a GF. Off to level him up and gear him out.
In this match I was one of the GWFs but I spent the whole match prone as GF after GF took turns charging me. Best defense with near infinite prone (best CC) and too much damage for GF is a disaster in PvP.
Not sure what the solution here is but the current PvP situation is GF > TR > GWF > gap > CW > DC. Whoever has the most GFs will win since each side almost always has two TRs. What a mess.
CC diminishing returns wont help because the GF kills you in so few skills. It would actually weaken the two caster classes. Taking CC from GF TR is probably part of the answer.
It figures that one Level 60 I don't have is a GF. Off to level him up and gear him out.
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DC always has a hard time.
Complete nonsense Cw looses in 1v1 to all but DC. Cw has needed a buff for a long time and I think it would be a great idea to make chill strike on a 3-5 second cooldown. They should be able to deal out major dmg because they can take none and they dont have stealth to hide or impossible to catch or massive deff and armor like a Gf and a Gwf.
Gf ( I play this class as my main) has a 6 second cooldown on Lunging Strike witch is were it should be but look at the dmg I can take with my Hp and my Dmg resist. Cw should have a 3-5 second cooldown on their chill strike to balance out the fact that they can take no dmg. CC on a Cw is just no were near enough when TR's have Impossible to catch and stealth Gwf's have a 30-40% cc resist passive and Gf laugh at it. Stop nerfing and bring Cw up to were they should have been all along Glass Cannons that do mega dmg from range.
As for TR's, they are manageable. I just think Lashing Blade skill is extremly overpowered where they can 1-2 shot a DC or CW so easily. Not only is the damage too high, but the 100% chance of success to land from stealth is mind blowing. There weren't as many LS rogue out there as there are now. It's gotten to a point where PVP is just unplayable for CW and DC vs a team of 1-3 rogues.
As for GF's, not much to say. A tank class that does more damage to an enemy on a non-crit attack than any other class does with a crit. That's not very balanced is it?
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I personally think it is TR>Gap>Gap>GF=CW=GWF>Gap>Gap>Gap>Gap>DC, see just an opinion.
Here is some advice: stop trying to face tank the GF, he has this blue bar once diminished makes him as useless as a 2+ Devoted Cleric in a PVP match or GWF without unstoppable. The only class that can do without their special ability is the TR.
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This is the TR, watch it run in slow motion. It's pretty BA, look it runs all over the place. woah, watch out say the GWF. Eww it got a kill. Oh it's chasing a DC! oh my gosh! Oh the TR's are just Craazy!~so on.
Nothing can stop the TR when it's stealthy.
I am on dragon server....and I would love for someone to show me what I am doing wrong. I constantly hear about how BA my GF is ...and yet I have matches where I might get 2 kills or none? I don't feel I hit that hard....not compared to other classes. I sure as hell don't run around feeling tankish. I have posted similar before and been told to read the play guides....honestly I think its all about enchantments. Everyone has fought someone with good enchantments and all of a sudden the class is OP. I also have a CW.....on either class sometimes I clean up other matches I am everyones play toy.
I hear about GF and defense...doesn't do you any good when 2 ranged toons attack you and TR stabs you in back cause everyone knows you can't dodge or move fast...huge target on my forehead....hit here. I can do well sometimes, but its only if people let me get near them....before they stun lock me. Someone said its all about who gets CC on first.
My CW, lord help me if there is a TR......hey he is invisible..cant target him but I am on my toes looking for him...there is is...oh wait, immune....watch him face roll me cause he runs faster. I can tele away...but not for long before he catches me. Maybe instead he will just kill me from range...thats always fun.
Possible solutions....
Fine take away some of GF damage abilities...but for god sake actually make us be able to tank some damage. CW should hit like a ton of bricks but be squishy (already pretty squishy).....GWF (dont really know this class) ......TR immune and invisible really? just HAMSTER that is what that is....The development team must be a bunch of little dudes who got tired of getting bullied. They were like...if we were like Ninjas yeah...ninjas...we could be invisible...and immune of course....don't forget super good damage...cause its stealth (duh!!) Oh, need a ranged attack cause ninja's have throwing weapons. You can never hit a ninja so make them super hard to kill.....
End Rant - feel better now:)
I am a gwf, a sent/regen/greater tranquility/greater lifedrinker gwf. Very hard to kill me.
I just met the best cw ingame and let me clue you in, the cw never killed me the entire match, but still i say he is the best cw.
Ok ok, un-scrounge your derp faces.
The reason he is the best is, he didn't try to kill me. He stayed on the point, see me running up, repel, while i'm pushed, ray of ice, i turn to ice, then entangle, then his repel cooled down again, so repel again.
My unstoppable is up! I rushed him thinking thats it! i'm gonna kill this guy...whoops, he hadn't used even one of his 3 dodges yet, so u can imagine what happened. Unstoppable over, rinse and repeat, till his crew finsihed with my team, or they died, and came ganked 4 vs 1, and i died all without taking the point.
Moral of the stroy is, there is more to killing a char. I wish i wasn't so fustrated and remembered to save the cw's name, so i could give him the respect he deserves. He knew right off the bat, theres no way he's gonna kill me, so he adapated, and did the most useful thing he could. He didn't come crying to nerf, or complain that it's unfair. He adapted and he survived.
Thats a player. Not what i see on the forums.
Let the tears continue to flow as the classes get nerfed to hell and the rest of the game is ruined for your own gain. *sigh* Yeah don't worry about class breaking bugs that go reported but unfixed while the devs nerf the classes. *sigh*
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
I hear a indirect response to my post in your answer so I will respond...None of our skills (CW) do diddly squat to a TR when they are invisible....and if their immunity is only 3 seconds its a long *** 3 seconds. It is often more than enough time to kill me that is for sure. If you disagree regarding what I said that is your opinion...but I would really rather hear from people with constructive comments. If I can learn to play better fine....but I really don't understand how I am supposed to dodge when I can't see you. If I dodge and you happen to reappear....I still have to run for 3 seconds. (Deleted negative comment)
Several CWs are learning to do this strategy and it works against TRs as well. Some CWs do AOE right after repel to catch the TR by surprise. The main way CWs seem to get killed is they make obvious mistakes. I play as a TR mainly. One of the obvious mistakes is they think the TR has run away when he stealths and stops attacking. Just stand next to the point, as the point is turning to my team color, and the CW walks within range for me to nail him. The point changing color should be rather obvious, you can see the player's name of a stealth TR if you get close enough, and in some cases certain weapon enchantments are noticeable through stealth.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
My post was originally directed at the thread in general and not specifically or indirectly to you. Here is a direct response just for you.
More misinformation please. Check out this video that is TR vs CW duel. The Tr gave up and the CW would have won without the Tr giving up if they were not fighting near the health potions. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M174HprtvQw <-Sorry level 29 one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dht5Gz6BuQ <- Level 60.
Again l2p and cry cry mommy nerf trs and gfs for me pretty please. Let the tears continue to flow as the classes get nerfed to hell and the rest of the game is ruined for your own gain. *sigh* Yeah don't worry about class breaking bugs that go reported but unfixed while the devs nerf the classes. *sigh* The devs are probably celebrating that so many people are concentrating on PVP instead of bigger issues like class breaking bugs and exploits.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
You are correct. Normally the issue is the class is not specced to perform the best in PVP or the player does not know how to properly play the class or both. Every class has an advantage and disadvantage. Players should learn the disadvantages of the other classes and how to use them. Players should study and learn if they are having difficulty in PVP. The good PVPers usually spend hours learning how to perform the best in PVP. I personally respecced my TR three times and change tactics depending on what classes are in the other team. Some players even enter PVP with blue and green gear and expect to win against a full epic geared team. *Sigh*
For those that are curious my main character is a 13k GS that has the ability to be a crit build or a permastealth/crit. Crit is for PVP because permastealth is weaker and does less damage. The permastealth is for PVE because of the added defense. I respecced four times to make this build perform equally in PVP and PVE. I still get killed and yet I do not cry for nerfs. I am sometimes ranked at the top for kills and somtimes the bottom. It really does not matter how many kills I have because the goal of PVP is to capture the points and protect them. A team who has less kills can still win if they concentrate on capping all the points while the other team is concentrating on killing. The goal of PVP is one team wins and one team looses. This means sometimes you win some and sometimes you loose some. It really is not that big of a deal.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
nerf DCs please
sarcams off.
idk how people cant play with what they got
i see thousands ppl complaining rogues are OP, kill fast.
some ppl complain gwf are op cuz die hard
some ppl complain cuz gf bounce ppl around
clerig is fine i think, cw too
but maybe cw need a bit more buff.
other than that is just the same old cry we have, ppl want to pwn everyone, so as long they are kicking butt they are happy, when their *** get kicked they whine for nerfs...
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"There is only one way to be a champion..., Never ...ing lose"
Gannicus Destroyer, GWF Destroyer retired
Kate Beckinsale NB DC, Link NB GF
"There is only one way to be a champion..., Never ...ing lose"
The L60 video is even worse, why is the TR using Duelist Furry on a CW when they could simply could of gone stealth down the CW some with CoS. Count the CW's dodge, the second the CW does 3rd dodge impact shot him 3 or 4 times then CoS again.
Stop putting up videos of TR's that don't know how to play their class please.
Edit: Oh in the L29 video the TR does Lashing blade for 2k+ crit which is half the CW's health, even the CW's daily was not that powerful iirc.
Edit 2: I read a comment about a DC going 1v4, in who's dream? If a DC is brave enough to come at 4/5 of my team and I'm there, we can have a Crowd Control party with the DC as the pinata. {I'm Pragmatic~preview shard}
I still use CoS, my only changes were I now use Glooming cut and Courage breaker~ swapped out bait and switch.
I use it to count CW's dodge which is what I always do while stealthed, move in close 2 impact shot, glooming cut 4k+ crit, impact shot.
I could also post tons of videos of CWs that do not know how to play their class. You could post tons of videos of TRs killing CWs who do not know how to play their class. The large majority who cry do not know how to play their class and would rather cry. BTW: COS is not that effective anymore because its been nerfed to 8 daggers and good CWs know how to dodge it so it is even less effective. *Yawn*
EDIT: In the L29 video the CW did more damage while the TR kept running to the potions to stay alive.
EDIT2: I see you comment about the unstoppable bug with GWFs. I honestly think the devs should make fixing these class breaking bugs a priority instead of nerfing all the classes again. This bug has been around for a long time and unfixed while the devs nerf the classes.
Oh yeah, enjoy my new signature and user pic.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
I use this tactic quite a bit as a CW. It works well against Sent-Regen GWFs except those with Tenebrous enchantments. I often run Shield on Tab as well for the defense and further push when it pops. The biggest challenge with this strategy is: 1) High CC resistance with Sents is very common and 2) Many GWF abilities, like Flourish, still stun-lock when you dodge. It even says "Dodged" in red right above me, but I'm still locked. 90% of my deaths during this situation come from dodging a hit and still getting stun-locked.
By the way, I don't even use Ice Knife. No reason. Ice Storm is the daily of choice because it launches them up and away.
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Another Tip for CW to use on GF and GWF is CoI in your spell mastery slot. When GWF goes beast mode
put it on him and kite like normal. when he is out of beast mode you can tap freeze him.
Same for a GF put CoI on him itll stack chills while he's blocking and always Freeze ray GF. once he's frozen he is ripe for the picking.
I'm on the Mindflayer server.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
I very rarely use ice knife, wish i could take the points out of it. I am telling you guys, play around with Maelstrom of Chaos. It is quite versatile. I play oppressor build and I have a few good spell set ups I swap through depensing on what the enemy team is made of and trying to do.
you will see how amazing it is whenit throws everyone around you to target location. IT works great because CW are just a giant bait. I bait people into getting close to me all the time and pop MoC when they are a few steps away. I take super less damage am immune to all their prone and CC shenanigans and throws them all away giving me the room I need to throw some spells around and start trying to control the situation best I can.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
hes a GWF he's sickening too?
he wants GF to be nerfed
2 GFs killed him on a 5v5 match not fair T_T
l2p
learn when to use dodge/skills
learn when to run/avoid fight
learn what other classes skills
learn other classes skill effects
learn your weakness and strengths
if you dont want to learn you will stay as a no0b
I'm not sure that a cw with repel on his bar can be the best cw in game but maybe he just slotted it to deal with you
*Edit* P.s. Forgot to add, stealth is broken as intended.
I have 1 of each class and though only 3 are L 60, each class can and does have builds and skills that are quite useful. FFS even regen Clerics make that class viable in PVP and clerics ****ing suck in pvp for the most part.
I hate to be part of the L2P crowd, but ****...try to figure out whats going on first. If you're getting bounced by 2 or 3 GF's, how the **** is this any different then getting 3v1 by any three classes. Deal with the fact that you got zerged on a small scale.
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You make some very valid points I agree with and you did it without mocking the ones asking for nerfs. Gotta say good job. I incorporated the idea that every class has its advantages and disadvantages into my signature.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Thanks. I really don't see the point in bashing people who complain about the perceived OP of some classes...especially when I myself have been chain "stunned" by GF or 15k crit by impact shot or completely pissed by the inability of actually reduce GWF/DC HP or even get close to a CW. It happens, but crying about getting WTFPWND some times is the wrong approach, but you know...society has been teaching people to ***** and moan until they get standards lowered.
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