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Does armor penetration help wizards?
losse1
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Just want to make sure.
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If it doesn't I would like to have some of what the gear designer was smoking when he put armor pen on some of the CW epics.
He was smoking the same sh*t as the designer who put regen on CW PVE gear and Lifesteal on DC PVP gear.
My GWF loves it.
Its less a question of whether it helps, more a question of whether it helps more than other stats you have the option of stacking.
In short, no. You get far too much benefit from the other available options... Power, Crit, recovery... even the survivability value from regen or lifesteal really do more for you than the small amount in the end ArP will do. Not only does ArP devalue the lower the defense of the target is, its already being reduced by debuffs, etc. If everything int he game had HUGE defense stats, THEN it would have more value, but even then if youre playing in groups, most mobs are getting massively debuffed in defense through passive effects of pplz skills and intentional debuffing.
So, I'm not saying that ArP does nothing... Just that its value is minimal compared to what you get from nearly everything else. Its kind of like Str to a wiz... you could stack it, but WHY, if you have a finite number of alloted pts?
Id challenge you to remove all of your ArP and replace it with a priority of power/crit/recovery and see your output double. Then post again.
Yes... its not like ArP does nothing.. THe question is does it do more than your other available options? No, it doesnt. Its already been crunched. Its not like you won't see a difference if you replace ArP from starting with nothing. You, and every class atm, will just see more diffence in damage over time AND your spke potential if you don't go after it intentionally. You will get some no gear you can't avoid at end game, but even IT is devalued if you play in any grp. Other classes skills debuff defense both passively and actively. That means that your ArP has less and less value.
My intuitive feeling would be pretty close to this. Recovery so you can spam your spells, followed armour pen for the most increased damage per point. Issue with power and crit is that according to some calculation i saw power doesn't add as much damage as armour penetration, and crit while extremely useful since it triggers various effects is rendered innately less valuable by the ability that gives you a percentage chance to auto-crit for a few seconds.
You are 100% correct about this. Power/crit is semi-efficent for a CW for reasons you have mentioned. Still, it does not make armor penetration good CW stat because in PvE targets are already severely debuffed. Having a lot of Recovery and a bit of power/crit/arm pen would not hurt thou.
This is so wrong, lol.
Also, CW does more AoE damage than GWF and it can do it from a distance.
Like said above, Recovery > Armor Pen > Crit/Power
Armor Pen only needs to get to ~2300 and regardless of whether you debuff or not it needs to be here. Debuff is not the same as AP.
Debuffs can make armor negative, armor pen can't.
Armor pen get's calculated first thus debuffs have no effect on it's usefullness, the amount of armor your target has does though.
here is a very nice chart showing the point benefits and returns of each stat
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/3dqpvhuavj
He's right. Simply put, Arp relates to how much of your damage is NOT lost on defense. I'm sure there are perfect balances for someone's playstyle, but it does wonders for your dps.
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