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arontimes
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I'd like to know how popular PvP is in this game, since the most of the complaints seem to be from the PvP crowd. I don't participate in PvP as it exists right now because Domination is quite unsatisfying for me and Gauntlgrym requires you to be in a guild, and I don't particularly care to join one. I mostly play solo, with a dash of dungeon delving and skirmishing every now and then. Also, I stop playing my characters shortly after reaching level 60, since I want to have several high level characters to play with that I can respec when new content is released instead of focusing mostly on one character.
This playstyle has made me largely immune to the various balance changes over these past few months of the game going live, as I can simply switch characters if one becomes too difficult, and the non-epic content isn't that hard anyway.
So, please vote, on a scale of 1 to 5, how often you participate in PvP, with 1 being never and 5 being whenever possible. Also, please share if you've been largely unaffected or otherwise by the many balance changes because of your playstyle (like me) or because you do or don't care.
This playstyle has made me largely immune to the various balance changes over these past few months of the game going live, as I can simply switch characters if one becomes too difficult, and the non-epic content isn't that hard anyway.
So, please vote, on a scale of 1 to 5, how often you participate in PvP, with 1 being never and 5 being whenever possible. Also, please share if you've been largely unaffected or otherwise by the many balance changes because of your playstyle (like me) or because you do or don't care.
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I haven't noticed anything but the DC nerfs. I play solo except for dungeons and skirmishes, so when my one hard-hitting daily gets nerfed so badly that it's now weaker than certain encounter powers, I notice and it makes being a DC that much harder. Needless to say, I care, because I signed up to play the versatile damage / support role that the DC is capable of playing, not the healbot that they're going to become if they get nerfed more.
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
The only Pvp I've tried that I enjoyed was Zombie apocalypse in Champions. especially when I got to be the zombie
aim:
players- avoid getting killed
zombies(including player zombies) kill players and make them zombies
points are scored for deaths and time till death
I think you get bonus pts for surviving the 15mins without getting zombied.
order of deaths- ranged dps, healer, others
abell- just have a look in the pvp secrion and you should see several nerf classes threads in a row and complaints from people playing those classes. same as same as
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Just go ahead and make two separate kinds of PVP:
1) Free For All-Come as you are, "Balance" is a Four Letter Word. Just show up with your Toon and just play. Basically what we have now.
2) Stock Character Games-All toons are the same. There are no differences in Race, Class, Skills, or Abilities. All Characters are generic models with only your Name to differentiate them (at least until someone finds a way to get some sort of PVP advantage from a specific name). Basically, what PVP players SAY they want (they are, of course, lying. They actually want to be buffed to Godhood, while everyone else is nerfed to Oblivion).
Like everyone else, I am sick and tired of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT COOL THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Annnnnnnnnd:
Exiled into the section of the board used by PVP players and not the general public, to make CERTAIN the tiny minority of PVPers are ludicrously over represented.
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I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
The entire PvP experience soured really quickly. PvP is usually my main attraction to an MMO, followed by raiding. Neverwinter has no raids...
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Here! Here! (Ditto.)
"Young people....." - Erik Lehnsherr
Just by reading these posts, I see the same gambit of ideas and false perceptions that I've seen in game after game over the years.
"I prefer cooperation over competition." Any good pvper knows that PvP requires an utmost amount of teamwork and competition to beat that most challenging of opponents: a living, breathing human being. AI can never come close to the difficulty even a poor player represents, and thus the requirement for good coordination is so much higher.
"People just running around cowardly when they low HP with their 110% mount." Versus standing their like NPC, knowing their death is imminent, and dying for you? If you've brought personal bravery and cowardice into your video game, no matter the mode, you've already lost. It's all about smart play, and playing the objective.
"Yeah, I get enough disparagement and abuse in Real Life." That's a personal issue. I actually had that same problem. PvP can't really be enjoyed by a person who isn't settled and happy with who they are. They'll scream, yell, break their PC and quit the game before long. Now, jokes and picking between equal adults? Some like that, others don't. I promise you there are PvP guilds which don't pick on each other.
" I do notice the changes caused to my characters caused by the need to balance them for PvP, and it annoys me greatly." I understand this. EVERY class hates to be nerfed, though. And if it didn't come out in the wash in pvp, it would (albeit more slowly) eventually come out in PvE. Every skirmish where the Control Wizard is doing more alpha than the Trikster Rogue. Every dungeon where you skip picking up a Guardian Fighter to grab two Great Weapon Fighters, because they tank better. Issues like balance are not specific to one section of the game, PvP just draws the focus out faster. But those changes still needed to be made.
It's all about what you enjoy. I like PvP, so of course I defend it. I play games where PvP is on all the time, and so many don't enjoy that. It's fine. But to be so disgusted with the way other players like to complete ... I feel that only comes from the side of an person without enough experience to understand the initial appeal in the first place. If you can't understand why I even LIKE a thing without painting me as some real-life monster, how could you possibly give it honest judgement?
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
OMG these pvpers are destroying the game with their constant whining!
Actually, most of the people I have seen who are obviously really into pvp like ranncore don't complain about one class being OP'd etc, although they might have some valuable insight as to how to improve pvp- such as reducing the power of certain enchantments in pvp, adding leaderboards/rankings, or adding more modes.
I find its more the pve crowd that does the crying on the forums after they get smashed in a BG. I've even seen one guy go from a complete PVP hater in the beta forums (spurting the kind of "pvp doesn't belong here nonsense") to an avid pvper, lol totally weird.
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
I was being sarcastic. You made a very nice statement. It was level heading, positive, filled with no malice toward anyone and just communicated your love of the game and pvp. I wanted to contrast that against the ranting and raving of the first 5 or so posters who basically said pvpers are really horrible etc.
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i feel the same. i played a lott with and against you in pugs and wish you good luck.better then gwf are having lol
what i dislike about high level pvp (in most games though) is the fact, that it becomes very one-sided in favor of the old players. when you play lets say a level 30 pvp match the difference between players are not so huge (due to twinks sometimes it is of course) but once you reach the max level it will all just break down to gear. the longer a game stays at a certain max level the harder new players turning max level will have to compete in pvp and the less fun they will have. in neverwinter you will be 60 like in a week, maybe you got some pvp gear, bought stuff from ah and have a gs around 10-11. then try to compete against pvp players with a gs of 13-15 with 9-10 enchants and perfect enchants! that is like a lvl 60 beating on a level 30. while you could hardly harm the enemy they will shred you in 3 seconds. seeing a gwf getting beaten by 4 people without dying is just too common in pvp.
also the devoted cleric in pvp (which i play) is so broken that you cannot really play him unless you have maxed him out in gs and enchants. you just will go down and end up at the end of the scores or if you are lucky and be in a good group maybe in the middle.
so to sum it up: if i play pvp i do it for the dailies, if i see an almost immortal gwf or gf in a match (and i getted basically kicked around until i die without a chance to click any ability the whole time), i leave, join another and try that one. no fun in getting beaten up for 10 minutes and wasting my time. other than that i don't pvp, it is just no fun and too broken. where for example are the cc immunities? like if i got knocked down last 3 seconds i am immune to knock downs or whatever...
It's just not interesting, and I hate to see people fuel the angry whining from people who simply aren't very good at playing their own class and then demand nerfs to other classes.
This happens with ANY game, however. As I pointed out, if there wasn't PvP, it would simply take longer for the changes to come. Why? Because PvE does not mean that there is no competition. You talk about wizards doing so much outright, but are you willing to sacrifice your solo capability and hitpoints to make you more reliant on the local cleric?
And them pesky fighters, who traditionally did FAR more damage to enemies who weren't somehow immune to physical influence than any other class?
And the rogue? You kept him around, not because he made the fights go quicker (no, he snuck in and got a sneak attack where he could, and disappeared to strike somewhere else later). You kept him around because he knew how to find the loot, pick the lock, and avoid the traps.
My point? Traditional class structure, as you so avidly wish for, was built around group content and very rarely allowed for solo play. Because when you edit the game to support solo players, you inevitably homogenize everyone to keep one class or another viable (rogues do more damage, mages have more defenses, fighters get more options to heal themselves, etc).
That is what current MMO's, in their lamentable state, have taught players is an 'RPG'. So while unique classes are an amazing idea, are you really ready to make the sacrifices to do so?
Meanwhile, the act of having a pvp base to establish 'balance', while it's contrary to a traditional RPG, does allow for a more balanced game that can support some form of solo play. It is why even dungeons and dragons went to the rock-paper-scissors approach to classes.
Maybe you don't like your class being nerfed because of what it can do in some gameplay you don't even enjoy. Fair enough. But I don't think you really support the argument your trying to make. I would make an assumption now, that you want your class to fit an idea you have in your head, which mysteriously makes it 'all powerful' and 'top of the charts' and leaves it very few weaknesses.
This of course isn't something you would openly admit. And neither do a ton of silly posters who constantly push for nerfs and buffs in both PVP and PvE forums. Their is a bias in your bias. And that's absolutely normal. And also why good PvP balance is necessary in games like this.
"D*mn wizards," said Morik the Rogue.
Learn what a GWF and GF really are: The History of Fighters
Yes, I do want a more traditional class structure. This is supposed to be a Dungeons & Dragons game where classes have differences and can't do or survive everything on their own. You are correct that they went to a rock-paper-scissor type set up, but are now backing off of that in 5e. Do I want my character to the best in it's class, Yes. Do I want it to be the be all-end all character, No. Where would the challenge be in that? I like the 5 man dungeons, because you need multiple classes to complete them. Exploiters, speed runners, and poor design hamper the enjoyability somewhat but that is a different discussion. What sacrifices would need to be made for unique classes? Again either get the proper companion if you really want to solo, or better yet team up with another player(it is an MMO, social game after all). Nothing says you have to stay teamed all the way to 60.
I understand the desire for people to want to play PvP, and balance is required for that to be a worthwhile experience, however keep that balance in the PvP realm. If it get discovered that a class can power through the PvE realm with nary a scratch, then change it for PvE and don't have that effect the PvP. From my limited experience in the Gauntylgrim PvP it seems to me that PvP isn't much different than a PUG dungeon run. 5 players, each doing their own thing, with more or less a common goal. This why people think that the other classes are OP, because they don't work as team to cover each other, the exception being the premades.
I am enjoying PVP as a GWF and a TR and a Cleric.
Not as a GF or a Wiz.