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why you don't think to be free desenchant from stalwart set of guardian fight because

aldobrandoaldobrando Member Posts: 5 Arc User
edited August 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
why you don't think to be free desenchant from stalwart set of guardian fight because you change it when people have spent time and real money for enchant and buy it?
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  • zalcszalcs Banned Users Posts: 345 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    A better question would be why they didn't lower the enchantment removal price more than 10% last patch. "Lower the prices to make the game more fun", was what they said, something along those lines. the difference between 250k and 225k is nothing...
  • silveralucardsilveralucard Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 410 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    zalcs wrote: »
    A better question would be why they didn't lower the enchantment removal price more than 10% last patch. "Lower the prices to make the game more fun", was what they said, something along those lines. the difference between 250k and 225k is nothing...

    the GF population in game is so low that the dev team do not beleive in even answer any thread related to the change tothe stalwart set, that being said do not expect them to answer this. just move on i am already looking and saving to buy some rank stones and well to be able to take out my soulforged enchant out of the armor, 300k AD
    Everything works out in the end . If it hasn't worked out yet, it isn't the end...
  • s3ven0fmines3ven0fmine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    This is clearly a money grab.
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    Just to make things clear,

    When you pay money in an online game, you aren't buying a product that will permanently stay as it is with the long term development of the game.

    Game is subjected to alot of changes along with the ZEN products, for example, you can buy a stone for 3k zen and after 1 week the stone becomes 2400 ZEN.

    Same goes for games that are P2P and turn into F2P. You weren't ripped off, it was entirely your and yours only choice to purchase ZEN in this game so you can't blame the developers.

    Besides, Stalwart set is an ingame farm-able item not a cash shop item. So the fact that you have used AD/ZEN transfer to obtain that set is entirely your responsibility. The only thing cryptic was responsible of is whether the AD/ZEN transfer was completed successfully or not, what you do with your AD is non of their business.
  • zalcszalcs Banned Users Posts: 345 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    Just to make things clear,

    When you pay money in an online game, you aren't buying a product that will permanently stay as it is with the long term development of the game.

    Game is subjected to alot of changes along with the ZEN products, for example, you can buy a stone for 3k zen and after 1 week the stone becomes 2400 ZEN.

    Same goes for games that are P2P and turn into F2P. You weren't ripped off, it was entirely your and yours only choice to purchase ZEN in this game so you can't blame the developers.

    Besides, Stalwart set is an ingame farm-able item not a cash shop item. So the fact that you have used AD/ZEN transfer to obtain that set is entirely your responsibility. The only thing cryptic was responsible of is whether the AD/ZEN transfer was completed successfully or not, what you do with your AD is non of their business.

    You need to read people's posts before posting BS. His complaint was that it costs 1-2mil to remove his enchantments from the set, and when the set is nerfed to oblivion, he wants to remove them. Not getting another set, lol.
  • skalt112skalt112 Member Posts: 1,089 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    Just to make things clear,

    When you pay money in an online game, you aren't buying a product that will permanently stay as it is with the long term development of the game.

    Game is subjected to alot of changes along with the ZEN products, for example, you can buy a stone for 3k zen and after 1 week the stone becomes 2400 ZEN.

    Same goes for games that are P2P and turn into F2P. You weren't ripped off, it was entirely your and yours only choice to purchase ZEN in this game so you can't blame the developers.

    Besides, Stalwart set is an ingame farm-able item not a cash shop item. So the fact that you have used AD/ZEN transfer to obtain that set is entirely your responsibility. The only thing cryptic was responsible of is whether the AD/ZEN transfer was completed successfully or not, what you do with your AD is non of their business.

    U spel gud.
  • koboldbard2koboldbard2 Banned Users Posts: 334 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    aldobrando wrote: »
    why you don't think to be free desenchant from stalwart set of guardian fight because you change it when people have spent time and real money for enchant and buy it?
    You get to buy some zen to convert to AD to remove your enchants, you lucky person you!
  • aldobrandoaldobrando Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    me do an example: you go to buy a car ferrari red,you pay it. after 1 monts your car whit some no resonable reason the car transform in a fiat 500. WUT you do if you pay for a ferrari and now you have a fiat?is normal that you go to seller and want back your money.this is the fact.
  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    aldobrando wrote: »
    me do an example: you go to buy a car ferrari red,you pay it. after 1 monts your car whit some no resonable reason the car transform in a fiat 500. WUT you do if you pay for a ferrari and now you have a fiat?is normal that you go to seller and want back your money.this is the fact.

    A better example would be that you buy that very same Ferrari, knowing that the the car's computer can accept over-the-air software updates. One day you startup your car, but don't like the handling because of a recent software update. You contact the dealer, and they show you a clause in the contract stating that the software is subject to change...
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  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    zalcs wrote: »
    You need to read people's posts before posting BS. His complaint was that it costs 1-2mil to remove his enchantments from the set, and when the set is nerfed to oblivion, he wants to remove them. Not getting another set, lol.

    Well he was complaining about not being compensated for the gear's rework, as he stated that he paid real money on them and on the enchantments aswell, so i explained to him in details that it isn't cryptic business to compensate anyone for a product that is always subjected to change.

    Since your are too slow, i will explain further in details:

    What i tried to say is, you aren't supposed to get compensated by any mean if your gear gets reworked.

    Perhaps you need to improve your reading comprehension before you make a fool out of yourself :).
  • goddessuniquegoddessunique Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    bioshrike wrote: »
    A better example would be that you buy that very same Ferrari, knowing that the the car's computer can accept over-the-air software updates. One day you startup your car, but don't like the handling because of a recent software update. You contact the dealer, and they show you a clause in the contract stating that the software is subject to change...

    Think I saw that in a movie one time, he drove the car though the window of the dealership and handed the con salesman the keys and left.:o
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  • altarboomaltarboom Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    Just to make things clear,

    When you pay money in an online game, you aren't buying a product that will permanently stay as it is with the long term development of the game.

    Game is subjected to alot of changes along with the ZEN products, for example, you can buy a stone for 3k zen and after 1 week the stone becomes 2400 ZEN.

    Same goes for games that are P2P and turn into F2P. You weren't ripped off, it was entirely your and yours only choice to purchase ZEN in this game so you can't blame the developers.

    Besides, Stalwart set is an ingame farm-able item not a cash shop item. So the fact that you have used AD/ZEN transfer to obtain that set is entirely your responsibility. The only thing cryptic was responsible of is whether the AD/ZEN transfer was completed successfully or not, what you do with your AD is non of their business.

    The subject isn't whether or not it is legal to screw over their customers but whether or not HAMSTER over your customers is the "right" thing to do. Whether people spent real money or in game money/time to get the set and enchantments is not really the issue. The issue is that this set was a mistake by cryptic/pwe and in righting that mistake (arguably this set is still broken but in a POS way) without compensating the players for money/time spent is not right. There should be compensation. Legally they don't have to but it is bad business practice not to.
  • s3ven0fmines3ven0fmine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    How do people not understand that it being legal/illegal is not the debate at hand. Simple fact of the matter is they did not "nerf" it they "reworked" it thus changing it completely. In the end it screwed over a massive percentage of the GF population. So are they legally obligated to compensate? No. Should they based on morality and the fact that this was not a "nerf" but a "rework"? YES. One of these days its going to be your classes armor that gets smashed into oblivion and I am sure those of you saying "QQ NERFED" will change your tune.
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    How do people not understand that it being legal/illegal is not the debate at hand. Simple fact of the matter is they did not "nerf" it they "reworked" it thus changing it completely. In the end it screwed over a massive percentage of the GF population. So are they legally obligated to compensate? No. Should they based on morality and the fact that this was not a "nerf" but a "rework"? YES. One of these days its going to be your classes armor that gets smashed into oblivion and I am sure those of you saying "QQ NERFED" will change your tune.

    Who gives a **** if the gears gets nerfed or reworked, if my gear gets reworked i would just find another gear instead of whining to the developers for not being compensated. It is just a bloody **** game, not a freaking life time career, you people are whining over bunch of pixles and make it sound like it is doomsday for having that specific gear changed.
  • joncansjoncans Member Posts: 158 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Please, complain mowr about a T1 set. PLEASSSSE. Who the hell would even invest money in enchanting a T1 set??? I had a T1 PVE set and PVP, I didn't even enchant them knowing I was just wearing something to make me survive until I could get BiS T2. Again, and I have said it in every other QQ Stalwart thread These GF knew they were exploiting, so now you DEAL WITH IT.
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  • altarboomaltarboom Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    joncans wrote: »
    Please, complain mowr about a T1 set. PLEASSSSE. Who the hell would even invest money in enchanting a T1 set??? I had a T1 PVE set and PVP, I didn't even enchant them knowing I was just wearing something to make me survive until I could get BiS T2. Again, and I have said it in every other QQ Stalwart thread These GF knew they were exploiting, so now you DEAL WITH IT.

    Last time I checked equiping a 4pc set bonus is not exploiting. I am pretty sure one of the devs has a calculator and new exactly how much power this set bonus would give. Bulwark was best in slot so only an idiot wouldn't enchant their BIS gear. All the tier 2 was worse than this set and yes people invested a lot of time and money in it. Yes their should be compensation for those people. This doesn't seem to apply to you. Just because you didn't go for this set when it was BIS doesn't mean that the way this nerf was handled was the "right" thing to do. People have every right to voice their concerns this was not handled in the right way.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ToS:

    17. Fees

    PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

    If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

    You may pay for any applicable fees and charges or for Zen by major credit card, PayPal


    And (i cannot find the section anymore) PWE has stated that the game content may be changed. This is an mmo, after all. Changes happen all the time in mmos. Anyway, what i am trying to explain is, it doesn't matter if you farmed your enchantments or paid for them. Nobody is getting a refund.


    Good luck.

  • skalt112skalt112 Member Posts: 1,089 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ToS:

    17. Fees

    PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

    If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

    You may pay for any applicable fees and charges or for Zen by major credit card, PayPal


    And (i cannot find the section anymore) PWE has stated that the game content may be changed. This is an mmo, after all. Changes happen all the time in mmos. Anyway, what i am trying to explain is, it doesn't matter if you farmed your enchantments or paid for them. Nobody is getting a refund.


    Good luck.

    Why do they give free respecs when they change feats?
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    skalt112 wrote: »
    Why do they give free respecs when they change feats?

    Oh, this is what they did since champions online.

    Anyway, i just posted this because the poor guy(s), may have wrong expectations about a possible compensation. The section about content modifications would have been more apropriate but i can't seem to locate it anymore, somehow.

    Best of luck.

  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ToS:

    17. Fees

    PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

    If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

    You may pay for any applicable fees and charges or for Zen by major credit card, PayPal


    And (i cannot find the section anymore) PWE has stated that the game content may be changed. This is an mmo, after all. Changes happen all the time in mmos. Anyway, what i am trying to explain is, it doesn't matter if you farmed your enchantments or paid for them. Nobody is getting a refund.


    Good luck.
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  • s3ven0fmines3ven0fmine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    Who gives a **** if the gears gets nerfed or reworked, if my gear gets reworked i would just find another gear instead of whining to the developers for not being compensated. It is just a bloody **** game, not a freaking life time career, you people are whining over bunch of pixles and make it sound like it is doomsday for having that specific gear changed.


    So now you are "crying" about "crying""? LOL
  • s3ven0fmines3ven0fmine Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Don't let this thread die we need an answers!
  • listenupsmallsonlistenupsmallson Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    guy guys give cryptic keys then u b lucky
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