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Why there is no Guardian Fighter / Tactician build ?
amordread
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While looking at the builds for guardian fighters I realized that there is no one talking about tactician and I want to respect my conqueror and try it. But I can't find any critics about tacticians on the forums . Can anyone share thoughts with me who tried it ? Is it worth giving a chance or is it a complete trash ?
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It's almost impossible to balance each spec so that they are all within 0.01% of efficiency from each other.
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TR:Anirul Corrino@Fimconte
GF:Irulan Corrino@Fimconte
KC is already a superior set to Stalwart in PVE with a decent group.
Tactician build might actually offer a net party[/p] dps gain, but it's not that great in PVP.
And since most people do a bit of both, it's not a very popular option.
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TR:Anirul Corrino@Fimconte
GF:Irulan Corrino@Fimconte
In PVE I use Iron Warrior, Knight's Valor, and Into the Fray with Supremacy of Steel and Fighter's Recovery Dailies.
-Iron Warrior is there to support Knight's Valor, so that I can survive better. It doesn't refresh your guard, like it says, but it will start refilling a broken guard instantly. The health shield and increased guard is very big in allowing you to live longer. It's what lets you sit on the edge of ledges in Spell Plague and tank those knockback mobs until your CW can push them off.
-Knight's Valor is a big part of what makes this build so great. 50% damage reduction is HUGE for any party. I have seen a huge drop in downs/deaths that I'd normally see while playing on my GWF. It also will build your Daily REALLY fast. It'll fill like half the Daily instantly if you cast it in combat. Since the end feat of Tactician gives you action points for getting hit outside of guard, you can freely run around with Knight's Valor on and gain those massive actions points while kiting adds.
-Into the Fray is beast. Health shield, movement speed, action points, and bonus damage to your entire team. The movement speed bonus and health shield further help you live and kite adds.
-Supremacy of Steel is what really completes the build. With the massive action points you get, you need a good daily to use. Supremacy of Steel will shoot ****ing golden swords at anything that damages you. This counts anything that damages you through Knight's Valor. After 10 seconds, you can activate the ability again to shoot swords into everything around you. This ability will proc lifesteal and I'm also pretty sure will apply my Plague Fire. I regain an extra 100-500 HP every second while using this with Knights Valor, due to life steal alone. It also seems like this ability will occasionally bug and mark everything it hits.
-Fighter's Recovery is your "OH ****!" button. If you ever get low, just pop it and hit stuff. The health you can regain far surpasses that of Supremacy of Steel, even if it doesn't deal damage. If an area has a lot of high damage mobs(Castle Never), it's usually better to use this with your Knight's Valor instead of Supremacy.
My basic role is to use Threatening Rush to mark as many mobs as possible, use Knight's Valor to keep my team alive, and keep Into the Fray on them as much as possible(8 second buff, currently 11.3 second cooldown). It's actually quite fun bouncing from enemy to enemy while tanking massive damage and shooting golden swords everywhere. I should also note that this build possibly provides the best experience for Spell Plague, making it even easier to take a single CW.
So what exactly is the point of Tactician? the party damage increase and some more ap gain?
http://nwcalc.com/gf?b=cn4:2hwcg:5m9s,13l353i:60000:6uu00:bz501&h=1
click link then go to feats (my char is human so i have 3 extra feats just remove shield resurgence if your race is diff)
i dont have battle trample its overrated (25% weapon damage thats just 150+ damage) crushing pin is a lot better and you will all benefit from it
a lot of conqueror lover says that conqueror is the best and makes the dungeon faster?
well theyre wrong its bec of stalwart and tene if not its bec of high rank enchants
with tactician build you will buff your party damage and reduce mobs defense/damage so what makes the dungeon faster 1man or a whole team?
Basically the AP gain. It's quite huge.
Edit: The only two feats in Paragon that seem worth it for my build are Brawling Warrior and Overwhelming Impact. You basically get 5% damage reduction when Knight's Valor is up(pointless, with the right set) and reduce enemy defenses by 5% when they're effected by Supremacy.
I'd rather have a higher uptime on Supremacy/Fighter's Recovery than I would a bit of damage resistance and armor pen only while Knight's Valor and Supremacy is up. The only time the end feat would be worth it is in the Draco fight in Castle Never. The only time I ever hit the boss consistently is against the Spider Queen.
I've completely saved bad groups with Tactician, actually.
They don't dodge red circles, they pull aggro before I can get it, and/or haven't built any survivability. My build outright prevents them from dying long long after they should have.
Nothing on Conq can do this, far as I can tell.
What feats in Tactician are crucial for this?
Only thing I can think of is Daunting Challenge, but -10% enemy dmg isn't going to make or break the group.
If you mean certain Encounter Powers that can carry baddies through red circles, then Conq has access to those as well.
Gods Glory to the Heroes.
TR:Anirul Corrino@Fimconte
GF:Irulan Corrino@Fimconte
10 chars.
With Stalwart you could probably make an impressive build that doesn't even reach a capstone.
Change "Inspiring Leader" into constant +10% Party Damage aura = Tactician best PvE spec in current content.
Prot needs something to make holding adds even better.
Maybe feat that turns Tab Mark into Taunt or Add X% of threat on the target.
It wouldn't be worth it in current content, but maybe for future, where there's harder bosses, etc.
Gods Glory to the Heroes.
TR:Anirul Corrino@Fimconte
GF:Irulan Corrino@Fimconte
Conq can't charge your daily as fast to survive as long, as far as I can tell. The weakness of Knight's Valor is it kills you. It only lasts as long as you do. Supremacy and Fighter's Recovery fix this by allowing you to recover far more health than you do normally.
I only used Conq to level up to 60, before I used my free reset to change to Tactician. If a Conq build can instantly charge his daily every time he uses Knight's Valor and get 50% action points while using the Daily and barely ever drop past 50% HP, then I'll have to agree Conq is better.
With a group of decent players the only real question is cleartimes and Conqueror is superior there imho.
Gods Glory to the Heroes.
TR:Anirul Corrino@Fimconte
GF:Irulan Corrino@Fimconte
Probably. Experienced teams usually know to avoid red circles of death, so you take less heat from Knight's Valor.
It's still probably the best feat tree for kiting mobs. You can bounce from mob to mob with Threatening Rush while gaining action power directly from Knight's Valor and Supremacy. You never have to put up your shield until you absolutely have to.
Edit: Bought a respec and tried Protector. It feels horrible for my build and the lack of Action Points is very noticable. You can't get get Action Points from getting hit, which means you HAVE to guard and/or fight. This means you can't be a kite god anymore. It's much better than Tactician for PVP, though.
Since I'm almost exclusively PVE, I bought another respec and changed back to Tactician. I had been planning to respec at least once, because of the wasted points to Surging Tide, so only the Protector change was a waste.
Great info! I have a couple of questions. I'm playing till the beginning of beta but I'm a casual player and reached level 44 so far. So I don't know how the epic enchants work. Would tenebrous , life drinker or plague fire work with supremacy of steel and knights valor combo ? If they do then with stalwart and these enchants you could deal and drain huge amount of damage. It would also be great for pvp.
Into the fray also works on the caster doesn't it ?
Plague Fire procs, from what I've seen. I have sat guarding while having Supremacy up and noticed that everything around me was burning from my Plague Fire. I assume this means all other weapon enchants work. I'm not sure about Tenebrous, but it's quite possible. Thinking about it, Life Drinker might make this setup the ultimate in aggro gain.
I'm not so sure about using the entire setup in PVP, but Supremacy by itself is really good. I have had a lot of times where I've been beaten down by 2 CWs and a TR, only to pop Supremacy and turn the fight around. TRs have a tendency to kill themselves, since most of them don't know the meaning of restraint.
Into the Fray does work on yourself. The shield, movement speed bonus, action point gain, and 5% damage bonus from feats all apply to you as well.
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"beckylunatic" Gateway AH should have column headers to sort by buyout, bid, end time, quantity, etc. These disappeared iirc with the module launch. It's obnoxious.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?437251-Guardian-Fighter-Scrotobagins-Regen-Tank-amp-DPS-Builds
http://nwcalc.com/gf?b=cn4:2hwcg:5m9s,13l350i:60000:6uu00:bz501&h=0
you can change prot feat +5AC to tacticians battle trample (its good for additional threat but it only adds a little damage 25% weapon damage)
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