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Hello fellow CW's That are ---Tiefling's--- (the devilish creatures)
I have some issues regarding the CW' ---Tiefling--- racial's and some feats and i wana share thougts and maybe dev's could see it to and fix someday.
First we start with Racial's
BloodHunt : You deal an additional 5 % damage to targets below half health.
So 5 % more damage if your target is under 50% HP.
I tested , My damage number were the same ..So Either way I miss somthing..or Racial is broken.
2nd racial : 10% chance to reduce enemy attack by 5 %...well i realy cant test that..since rate is to low and the damage is to fast to compare.
Feats Now :
Thaumaturge Spec :
Temptest Magic : you do 10% more damage to targets bellow 30% health.
It dosent work..i tested a Lot..no change in my numbers.
Now the next feat..dunno if is bugged or i do a mistake here but :
Elemental Empowerment : Your Cold Spell also deal 30% of your weapon DAMAGE OVER TIME (DOT) to their target.
I used mainly Chill strike since it dosent have a Dot (like Conduit of Ice)...Now in theory my Chill strike should add a dot effect with 30% damage of my wep damage. No Dot Effect applyed on my target.
Lets say my Chill dose 3 damage.. with Dot Feat ( elemental empowerment) it should add 3 damage +damage in time.
It dose the basic 3 damage and no Dot effect.
Ok , so even it says affects all Cold spell's , maybe this Dot effect is a boost only to Dot Cold Spell powers , like Conduit of ice ..But NO , i tested...no dot increase.
SO either this feat dosent work , or im missing somthing , But definetly My COLD Spell powers do not apply the extra dot equal with 30% damage of your wep.
I realy need that u guys look into it..and debate.
Hopefuly if im right , racials/Feats are broken and Dev's would put them on Bug fix list.
I have some issues regarding the CW' ---Tiefling--- racial's and some feats and i wana share thougts and maybe dev's could see it to and fix someday.
First we start with Racial's
BloodHunt : You deal an additional 5 % damage to targets below half health.
So 5 % more damage if your target is under 50% HP.
I tested , My damage number were the same ..So Either way I miss somthing..or Racial is broken.
2nd racial : 10% chance to reduce enemy attack by 5 %...well i realy cant test that..since rate is to low and the damage is to fast to compare.
Feats Now :
Thaumaturge Spec :
Temptest Magic : you do 10% more damage to targets bellow 30% health.
It dosent work..i tested a Lot..no change in my numbers.
Now the next feat..dunno if is bugged or i do a mistake here but :
Elemental Empowerment : Your Cold Spell also deal 30% of your weapon DAMAGE OVER TIME (DOT) to their target.
I used mainly Chill strike since it dosent have a Dot (like Conduit of Ice)...Now in theory my Chill strike should add a dot effect with 30% damage of my wep damage. No Dot Effect applyed on my target.
Lets say my Chill dose 3 damage.. with Dot Feat ( elemental empowerment) it should add 3 damage +damage in time.
It dose the basic 3 damage and no Dot effect.
Ok , so even it says affects all Cold spell's , maybe this Dot effect is a boost only to Dot Cold Spell powers , like Conduit of ice ..But NO , i tested...no dot increase.
SO either this feat dosent work , or im missing somthing , But definetly My COLD Spell powers do not apply the extra dot equal with 30% damage of your wep.
I realy need that u guys look into it..and debate.
Hopefuly if im right , racials/Feats are broken and Dev's would put them on Bug fix list.
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Interesting another one claims he "tested" it, got any proofs? Or did the PW lie?
use search button before posting, there is already dedicated thread.
I'll test Tempest Magic later, but I suspect a lot of the confusion comes from small sample sizes. There's a wide and natural variance in any given attack's damage. If you don't sit there spamming attacks for a good long time it's nearly impossible to detect a bonus of 5% or even 10%.
Edit: When I say I'll test Tempest Magic, I mean just the feat; I can't test the interaction between Tempest Magic and the Tiefling racial because I don't have a Tiefling.
certainly appreciate that too
Heh, nothing too terribly convenient, I'm afraid. I wrestled a bit with how to do this one. If you feel like trying something similar to what I'm about to describe, I'd love to see your results, though.
Methodology:
Then I took a ride up to the top of Icespire Peak to find Skrymnir, because he's the closest thing to a world boss that I could think of. Skrymnir's health bar has 13 pips, which means each pip is worth ~7.7% of his max HP, which means he's at right around 30% once his health dips to four whole pips. To be safe, I tried to aim for 3.5 pips, as in the following picture:
After I found a decent visual cue to signal the crucial 30% mark, it was just a matter of reducing the giant's health to that point with a mix of powers, making sure not to include any debuffs (not that I took any), and then switching to Ray of Frost exclusively for the finish. By keying on Ray of Frost, I hoped to isolate the attacks that were eligible for the feat bonus. Since RoF's the lowest-damage At-Will, I could also, hopefully, maximize the number of sub-30%-HP attacks in the sample.
I killed Skrymnir six times total, three times before buying Tempest Magic, and three times afterwards.
Ray of Frost before Tempest Magic:
First, we note that Ray of Frost accounts for no more than 28% of our total damage output, which tends to suggest that our HP-bar estimates worked out pretty well. Other than that, we see that we logged 195 RoF attacks, with an average per-attack damage of 499.59.
Once we factor out the crit rate (which is somewhat volatile), we end up with an adjusted average Ray of Frost damage of 499.59 / (1 + (0.24 * 0.75)) = 423.38.
Ray of Frost After Tempest Magic:
Again, we note that Ray of Frost accounts for no more than 23% of our total damage output. Looks like I grew a little more conservative the second time around, but that's not a bad thing. In total, our log shows 183 Ray of Frost attacks, for an average of 545.77 damage.
Factoring out the crit rate (which, it should be noted, is slightly lower here than it was in our first test), we end up with an adjusted average damage of 545.77 / (1 + (0.22 * 0.75)) = 468.47.
Tempest Magic is supposed to give us a 10% damage bonus. Our tests show an increase of (468.47 / 423.38) - 1 = 0.106, or 10.6%.
The feat seems to work!
Of course, it's possible that Tempest Magic is different on the Live server, but there's no sign of any change in the patch notes (to my knowledge). I think it's fair to say that anyone who buys the feat today won't be wasting his points, because at the very worst it'll be fixed in a week or two, when the current Preview patch goes live.
Thanks, guys
Who said that this feat doesnt work at all? But how it interacts remains unclear with some people saying that it overrides bloodhunt, some saying that it is just dont work on a thiefling, and everyone hopes that it would stack.
Maybe the lack of my knowledge of english is to be blamed, but i am reading this reply from a combat designer:
like blah-blah-blah,maybe it is not broken and is working fine, maybe someone just tested it with "bugged power", we did not test it anyway so i cant really tell, but anyway its OK that one feat gives 50% less benefit to 1 race, so we arent rushing to fix it, but maybe we will give it a thought
Anyway its not really that important, +5% damage after 30% mark is like what? +1.6% DPS?
More frustrating currently my bugged SW set when im getting stacks for 1 combat and then i will not get them before i re-equip set again. Sudden Storm currently does not crit(also dot from it), but it could be a viable choise for mastery slot as it has infinite targets, not-critting maelstorm(and it would be still horrible even with the ability to crit), and other more important stuff to fix
But hey, they ARE fixing something. Icy terrain and oppressive force CAN crit on PTS, and its great.
The original poster of this thread said that Tempest Magic doesn't work.
As for the rest, I think the most reasonable worst-case scenario -- given what I've seen through testing and given the developer's statement -- is that Tempest Magic overwrites the Tiefling racial when the target dips below 30%. And as you say, even that wouldn't be a terrible thing; Tempest Magic would still be a decent feat for Tieflings who wish to work their way up the Thaumaturge tree.
The developer's comment isn't quite as vague and non-commital as you might think. He can't be 100% certain as to whether the feat has ever been broken, even for a short period, at one point or another. Or if you prefer, I think it would be unreasonable to ask lordgallen to go back through the game's history and pinpoint with 100% accuracy whether or not this-or-that feat has ever had problems.
What he can (or should be able to) tell you is whether the feat works now.
The rest of his equivocating, IMO, is just good diplomacy: lordgallen doesn't want to say flatly that the players who claim to have tested the feat did it wrong -- but that is the most likely explanation. Given the wide damage variance on every power (which can approach a 20% spread), it's very very difficult to get an immediate feel for damage buffs like Tempest Magic's.
Personally, I'd just as soon get rid of the damage variance on attack powers; I don't think it really adds anything worthwhile to the game's combat mechanics, and (as we've seen) it seems to cause a lot needless of confusion among players. But ever since Champions Online, Cryptic's loved huge damage variance. (Oddly enough, Cryptic's first MMO didn't have any at all. Attacks delivered a flat amount of damage, which was then modified by any buffs/debuffs present.)
Yep, looks like about 1.5% against a single hard target, assuming the target's health starts at full. Of course, in practice, you'll tend to get either much more or much less mileage out of the feat/racial, because most targets' health tends to decrease in large and irregular chunks. In some boss fights it's even possible that the target will be below 50/30% health for the bulk of the time you're called upon to DPS (because you're too busy dealing with adds beforehand or whatever).
That's pretty worthless actually. I think I'll skip it since I'm a tiefling anyway.