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aizenhart1
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Yes i am a TR but this thread is for those who has not tried a TR and are ASKING FOR NERF because they are as you said OP in PvP.
I just really wanna know, do you think TRs are really hard to kill on PvP when it stealth? Why?
Do you know how hard it is time all the TRs skills in order to go for a kill?
Do you know how hard it is to chase a running enemy if you dont have a good ranged CC?
Do you know how hard it is to kill an enemy if you cannot 1 hit it?
Do you know how hard is it to escape if your out of stealth with only 2 dodges?
For those who dont know, it really takes skills to make a TR OP for PvP. For CWs well its easy to just spam your skills from a range is it and getaway with 3 dodges and a couple of good CCs. For GF and GWF theyre can tanks they have a lot of knocking down power they have really strong CCs. for Clerics yep heal all the way no need to look for a kill. Easy for the other classes to say NERF the TR. How about you try one and tell me its easy to 1 hit and kill anyone without having to time your skills and come out in time, w/o dying i'll take it all back. Thank you
I just really wanna know, do you think TRs are really hard to kill on PvP when it stealth? Why?
Do you know how hard it is time all the TRs skills in order to go for a kill?
Do you know how hard it is to chase a running enemy if you dont have a good ranged CC?
Do you know how hard it is to kill an enemy if you cannot 1 hit it?
Do you know how hard is it to escape if your out of stealth with only 2 dodges?
For those who dont know, it really takes skills to make a TR OP for PvP. For CWs well its easy to just spam your skills from a range is it and getaway with 3 dodges and a couple of good CCs. For GF and GWF theyre can tanks they have a lot of knocking down power they have really strong CCs. for Clerics yep heal all the way no need to look for a kill. Easy for the other classes to say NERF the TR. How about you try one and tell me its easy to 1 hit and kill anyone without having to time your skills and come out in time, w/o dying i'll take it all back. Thank you
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Heard this 100 times in a 100 MMO's when dealing with rogue classes.
1: NOONE and I mean NOONE likes to be killed in 1-2 hits and UNABLE to have any chance.
2: NOONE and I mean NOONE likes to be killed by some player who is invisible 100% of the time.
Your talking about a class that has the ability to kill players while not allowing that player to even defend themselves. That is not what I consider fun.. Sure 1-2 shotting your enemy may be fun to you but not the person on the receiving end.
You say it takes skill to be OP in pvp as a TR well I counter that it takes skill to be OP in pvp with ANY class in this game. I am above average pvp'r and I have seen players that know their class so well and have such good reaction times that beating them 1v1 is almost impossible.
You can say what you will, but your class needs a nerf as NO CLASS should be able to kill another without the other class having at least a 40% chance of winning.
lulz. i think the only way you would be happy is to just get rid of the TR class. I'm so tired of hearing of complaints about the TR. If you really do play pvp a lot you'll know there are a ton of inbalances yet for some reason you, and a lot of others just focus on the TR.
How about this? Lets nerf rogues til they are completely useless so you can feel good about being able to kill that class or just completely remove rogues all together.
If i'm mistaken and there is no permastealth as i see it, then no nerf is needed at all.
And no, one cannot win a battle as a CW by simply spamming) There is no such press-to-win button on their class. Moreover, they are the most fragile class in the PvP, easiest to kill as for me. Teleport can only save their *** 3-4 times in a row, and they cannot cast anything while moving.
Sir, have you ever tried fighting a conqueror GF ? *Prone Prone Prone Shield Prone Prone*
Or maybe a sentinel GWF with massive defense /deflection and huge regeneration? * Flourish Takedown Restoring Strike Unstoppable repeat* did i forget to mention Crescendo ?
Atleast vs a TR you have the choice to run away.
Not if you never see the TR and get 1 shot. You just wake up in the GY saying that was fun.
Same thing about GF, if you fail to dodge one of the prones you will get 2 other prones and see yourself dying like a bing pong ball.
Same thing if CW stun lock you and then finish you off with Ice Knife.
Your argument is invalid.
Yet TR cannot stay stealth and lashing blade, and their lashing blade is laughably easy to dodge, you can even dodge it if the knife is already in your back. TR is actually the only DPS that cannot kill a competant player from full to dead without them being able to do anything. Smoke bomb is also very easy to dodge, you can do it after you see him place the bomb but before the daze takes effect.
You're getting hit by knives but can't see your attacker? Move away. The only class that has to worry about TR is CW and other TR's so if you just stay back from the fight as a CW like you're supposed to you'll be fine and you'll see them coming from a mile away. This is coming from a CW btw.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Tanks are great at grabbing and holding aggro, and taking hits without dying. The latter is useful in PvP, the former...not so much.
Control Wizards are great at mass crowd control, which is great against hordes of stupid AI monsters, less useful against...five people who know not to stand in the same place.
Clerics (at least in this game) are good at damage mitigation/healing from tons of small hits, but terrible at mitigating/healing spike damage from one big hit. Also, inherent self-heal debuff, which is bad enough in a PvE setting, terrible in a setting up against actual people who are smart.
Rogue/Assassin type classes are usually designed around massive spike damage, often from stealth. This is usually semi-useful in PvE (great for bosses, for instance, but less good on trash), but is incredibly useful in PvP, where massive single-target spike damage is king.
There really isn't any escaping the fact that rogues are inherently more appropriate for a PvP setting, because their sole purpose is to kill targets. Not crowd control, aggro handling, or healing/mitigation: straight up killing dudes.
I mean, really we should be glad they made PvP about point control rather than a deathmatch, so at least the other classes can do something. It's tricky, really.
But hey, probably 60% of the playerbase is TR anyway, so at least the majority are happy, right? :P
2. Do you know I play a Rouge and that is Bull. Maybe If you were not always trying to 1 Hit you would learn to play. Oh and second part of the Point - Don't other classes have to time their attacks as well - jeez everyone has cool downs.
3. Do you know GF have no Ranged CC.
4. Bull - Do you know no other class can 1 Hit. Who the hell want's to be one Hit anyway. I have a Rouge and never 1 Hit and always top the Table.
5. Do you know GF has no Dodge at all.
Lol - In reality if you were not trying to 1 Hit and was just trying to have fun and take down the Enemy you would see that TR is not hard to play in PVP or PVE.
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well, where are your threads about GF, GWF and CW nerfs then?
can oyu please link them?
Ah well
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2 different builds, you cant do both at the same time.
I disagree, I would love a challenge. I haven't come across a single TR I can't 1v1 and win most of the time on my CW, win 100% on my gwf/gf or win most of the time on my TR or die to unless killed with daily on my DC.
TR = easy class doesnt need BiS items to deal 10k+ lashing blade i hit 12k+ with just pvp gear no lurkers assault and no enchants to accessories
dont ask those who havent played TR yet tell them to try TR first youre asking the wrong players
all classes that ran out of dodge/guard/stealth/unstop = easy to kill
TR has 2 skills that he can use to escape others only have 1 whats harder? ( not including GWF its OP too)
you can CoS to death most classes or reduce their HP to half
1 hit KO? GOD mode lol?
OMG I expected a lot of bad comments actually but I didnt expect reply as stupid as this lol....
Heres my point for your every sentence
1. Stealth has a 5 sec duration and cooldown like what 8-9sec and t doesnt even cooldown if you attack them. Your stealth will be gone before you can reach your target. For perma stealth build, if you got killed by it your next to an idiot, this types dont have good burst and does not have what it takes to even kill, unless you just stand there looking for a monkey or run around in circles.
2. You were talking about a cooldown here, while im not lol, what i meant is if you miss a LB do you think you have a chance against other classes Especially GFs and GWFs? you cant even stand up once they touch you
3. GFs dont have ranged CC? How about I jump on you with my GF and put a brain in your skull
4. Only TRs can 1 hit of course coz its their role duuhhhh, moron, a GFs role is a tank so how about giving me a reason why geared GF have the ability to kill anything in their paths while tanking. But you dont see me argue with that do you
5. True, GFs dont have dodges, but hell they can take 3 people at the same time with their shields, especially if he has a DC on his side.
If your not trying to 1 hit anything as a TR maybe other players see you as a loser TR lol... and you dont have what it takes to 1 hit other players
Cant you see a lot of people, even non-TR users disagree to what you said. Do you still have the guts to argue?
I want to see a proof, that you have faced a GF and killed it in the middle of the battlefield with his teammates looking, or chase a CW and killed it without your HP drained off, or a GWF you killed without 1 hitting it, show it to me and i take it all back
allright i know that happens from those chars who has perf vorp gtene, or 10 enchants but even there, no way it should happen.
it can also be done by a gf, knights challenge /villians menace/lunging strike/bull charge, it doesn't happen as much and I've never been able to hit those numbers on my 13.5k conq GF but It has happened to me on my CW.
I also see tr's go straight for the CW's ( I also do this) because we feel that we have nothing to worry about .
If a class see's another as being 0 risk at all then the class is broke.
The next match I was with a team that didn't know their heads from their hind ends. My job was next to impossible as our GF was immediately chewed up and spit out as the rest of my team fought at range with little to no effect. Once my stealth was gone I was a goner. My point being that it is easy to get kills as a TR. It's easy to get kills with every class. Team composition is crucial to make this happen.
deft strike -> quickly press stealth (move away from his sight ) CoS
if he run or dodge dont use CoS but run near him use daze strike (faster animation if stealthed)
then lashing blade = KO
i can also kill GF using daze strike just go to their back then daze
when fighting gwf its easy to kite them if theyre not using punishing charge
just LB and daze dont use any atwills stealth LB daze
5v1 5v2 5v3 5v4 5v5?
a pro will always stun TR/CW first its common sense so you need to time when you will attack
when its 5 v 5 i always daze GF first to disable its guard = no more stunner
if youre a TR and having a hard time killing other classes you need more practice and try diff skill set up don't just stick to the guides learn from experience
Seems like you rox as a rogue...
As a TR I go for CW first because 1) it is the most annoying class for me and 2) it's the class I can kill the fastest (depending if they shield and if they don't dodge LB though). Why would I go for the tank while a CW is behind ? To end up bashed while hanging in the air ? I'll take down the CW first then 1 vs 1 the tank. That's what we call STRATEGY.
I don't really know which side your on, im on the side saying "TR needs no nerfing"
I would love to see a Video with you doing it to a pro CW/GWF,if you could i would agree on those people who says TRs are OP and needs more nerf