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The rogues are very over
ludolfo
Member Posts: 16 Arc User
I would like to know why rogues are so over.
They've come to make up to 35k damage, amazing, but not only that
they can attack when they are invisible doing much much damage, 10k throwing knives, obviously they can become invisible and also become immune.
This is a bad joke for the rest of class.
put a moab in their abilities.
I call it checked, because you can not play PVP rogues
to the aforementioned, most play with a rogue because they know they are OVER. So do not say films about skills or equipment
They've come to make up to 35k damage, amazing, but not only that
they can attack when they are invisible doing much much damage, 10k throwing knives, obviously they can become invisible and also become immune.
This is a bad joke for the rest of class.
put a moab in their abilities.
I call it checked, because you can not play PVP rogues
to the aforementioned, most play with a rogue because they know they are OVER. So do not say films about skills or equipment
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I prefer films that tell a story. Technical films are boring.
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Where does this myth come from? What class are you? Whichever it is you can fly and become immune, true story.
LOL, don't you know? All the PvP whiners think that rogues are immune in stealth, that's how well they know the class. They've been spreading this misinformation high and low.
Positively ....
Bologne.
While there are some tweeks, there is no way you even come close to being as hampered as the DCs in combat. Not even close. If you were here locally I'd take you out behind the woodshed with a willow switch for saying something even remotely off-base as this.
So that was an exaggeration, but it's true that rogues are getting hosed in PvE. If you don't believe me, head over to the Thieves Den and look at the cold hard numbers.
actually, played a dungeon just today where indeed my DC did 2 mil more damage than the rogue. ok the rogue player was fundamentally a bad player anyway but ive never seen anyone with a rogue be so underpowered in a dungeon. It really is having the knock on effect of ruining T2 dungeons now cause rogues just cant take down bosses fast enough no matter what you spin it. The whiney ****s have won this round, rogues are now useless. Maybe i'll try running 2 gwfs to kill the boss next time...
Did you do this on live or the preview shard? The rogue nerf isn't live yet, so if you did that on the live server that was one terrible rogue, or you way outgeared him/her.
Actually, my guild leader is a DC and he can out DPS bad rogues on the live shard .
Some rogues are just stupid, they play it the classic way and are completely ignorant of other feat trees. And are also neglecting some important encounters they can increase their DPS with.
The TRs will get a drop in DPS due to the lurker nerf and that cannot be denied, but it is still manageable to make up a huge portion of that DPS loss, if they just start using their heads and stop getting used to being spoon fed every single information of how to build their characters..
However, the new changes Cryptic made has made the TR get "Infinite" stealth regeneration everytime they finish using an encounter or an At-will while having "Invisible Infiltrator " slotted.. so i don't think these changes will be applied as they are anyways.
Please explain. I would like to know of these encounters which can make up for the DPS loss due to the multiple-level DF nerf (let alone the Lurker's nerf). Also, please list the feats you speak of, and don't forget the "while in stealth" component.
I rest my case.
I will keep the build for myself, as it isn't hard to figure out.
I thought so.
You won't give the details because you don't have them. You're blowing smoke. Anyone can make a claim, but if you can't back it up I'm going to assume that you're full of hot air. Feel free to respond with how stupid you think I am and how you know TR so much better, until you can back it up I'm just going to laugh.
You pretty much did that already by asking how to do it.
I don't have to state the obvious and post details about it since, like i said, it is easy to figure out.
Calling me a liar doesn't either back up your point since you didn't say why is it impossible to have a build that can make up the DPS loss either.
Cheers
I didn't call you a liar, I said you weren't backing up your claim, and you aren't.
You are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you, it's perfectly fair for someone to ask you to back up your claim.
It's ridiculous to say that I have to prove how it's impossible to make a build that can make up for the DPS loss, you can't prove a negative, that's logic 101, and like I said the burden of proof is on you anyway.
Fair enough, but not exactly. He didn't make claim that he had all the details, just that he thought he knew of a way to make a build based on certain encounters or feats. So when I say he won't give the details, I'm saying he doesn't know as much as he's claiming. He's assuming such a build without actually working it out, is what I'm thinking. It's more like boasting than lying, exactly.
Here is some Logic:
I claimed that i have a build but i chose not to say details----> i didn't say that it is hard to make nor that it is super secret----> you called me a liar ( no matter how far you want to turn that around , it was obviously an accusation of lying since you said"You won't give the details because you don't have them" ) So it means you denied a claim i made because i refused to give "obvious details".
So result should be you lecturing me how is it not possible to make such builds with the future changes , as like i said, i'm not giving away any details because that would be like stating the obvious.
If you can't prove that no build can exist with the future changes ,when it goes on the live shard, that can make up a huge portion of the DPS loss then you have no right to say i'm talking air.
Ps. my build was tested on preview shard and so far it looks great.
Something about " you can't prove a negative" since you obviously have issues with that:
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf
So insted of nerf rogue dmg just try to figure out a way to avoid permanent stealth... well at least in PvP.
OK, then let's see some numbers. We have some numbers on the test shard showing the effects of the nerfs on DF, now let's see yours. I think I have an idea of what kind of build you are talking about, but I don't think the numbers are there, and you won't say anyway.
You just googled "prove a negative" and took that out of context.
This is what I think you're really doing, BTW, note "asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
If you two are endeavoring to enlighten us with knowledge of Rogues after the possible incoming changes, you stopped doing that at post 18.
Get a room.
"This HAMSTER we got now where 2dc/2cw/1tr clear epic T2 then sell the stuff on AH while we pull our puds has got to stop."
I didnt take anything out of context , you said you cant prove a negative and i tried to get an easy illustrative link of how to prove a negative.
The article is clear , "asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false" part doesn't make it unreliable nor non-sense able.
I will be more than pleased to post my total DPS when i get the chance to join a decent group for an Epic dungeon.
If you know any please message me on forums to coordinate a run or two.
If you won't or can't prove a claim... Most people will say your claim is hot air. Like it or not.
Narayan