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When will they be stopped??

kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvE Discussion
Last night in Gaunt-PVP, the other team, 2 guilds - thought it would be funny if they spawn camped, the hole fight and not just out side our spawn I mean IN our spawn- I thought your last patch notes said you guys fixed it? during this ordeal, 2 or 3 of them made comments about sucking............ so on so on-you get the hint? and that the neverwinter GM's will do nothing about it- they cant do anything - they don't care enough about it to do anything, Oh how they LOL at us for complaining. I have Screenshots as well as the other ppl who were stuck there- ALL of us!!! the Hole match!!!!, I think GM's should really really sit in on these matches and well GM the game ya know???? and for the 2 guilds that thought it was funny bragging about how Neverwinter will NOT do anything about them for the bug of them getting int our spawn? kick them from neverwinter game for good, you want Screen shots, i can give you names. And for those who were apart of it- you know who you are - you know we know who you are, all we have to do is see if the Neverwinter GM's will do anything about it, well? ........................???????
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  • mctankypantsmctankypants Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My question is why were you sitting in your spawn camp so long that it became an issue? You assume the GM's don't care, but you're basing that conclusion on your heightened emotional state right now. There needs to be a way to report players and have them dealt with. I agree with that. Pointing the finger at the GM's isn't going to help your argument though.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    man you never PVP in Ganunt huh, you think there are more than one spawn point? anywhere you die in Gaunt pvp you spawn on only one place.... :/
  • mctankypantsmctankypants Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My point is why didn't you rally as a team and push them back? I've watched teams get destroyed at their campfires and it's typically because half of them are completely oblivious to what's happening around them. You have to understand as well that sometimes you come up against a pre-made team that regardless of what you do, you're not going to come out ahead. Just make the best of it.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mctankypants wrote: »
    My point is why didn't you rally as a team and push them back? I've watched teams get destroyed at their campfires and it's typically because half of them are completely oblivious to what's happening around them. You have to understand as well that sometimes you come up against a pre-made team that regardless of what you do, you're not going to come out ahead. Just make the best of it.

    you just don't get it huh, they had there hole team- ON our spawn using all there abilities,constant stuns,aoe's,you cold not even move when you spawn, no running-Zooming out of it, Nothing!!! just die before you could even hit one key Just make the best of it huh. And really - i have seen in the past few mins you have jumped from post to post making comments about the person posting, :/ got anything better to do?
  • mctankypantsmctankypants Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I've been constructive with my posts I think. I can see that you're upset over the experience you had. When I said "Just make the best of it", I was showing empathy because I've been in your shoes before. I won't make any further comments in your thread because you seem intent on staying angry.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    So much fail in this thread.

    TR's - ITC + Smoke Bomb = no more spawn camping.

    When a 5 man Premade can camp the spawn and hold back 10+ players something is wrong with the other team!

    When a 8-10 man premade can camp the spawn and hold back all 20 players something is wrong with the other team!

    L2P = Learn to Play.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    8-10 man team holding back 20?? where did that come from? in case you didn't read the post(Cough cough) it was there HOLE TEAM!! stopping our hole team, ya think for one sec ppl might think about what is being said-in the reg-pvp 5 man teams can and have stopped the other team in there spawn it is not fixed-Mctankypants- yea I am upset about what happed, destroyed the hole Gaunt pvp,in no way should ANY game allow this- as if they haven't seen it in other games, it should have been fixed before it came out of beta, why would they continue to allow players to do this weather its one person doing it or 20 why?? and for those who do it- kick them once and for all- mabey others will get the hint that , That kinda of game play will not continue.- I am just trying to get ppl to help put a stop to this- what happend is done and in the past- why cant ppl just support some one eles when posting about something that should not have been allowed in the first place. give a thumbs up for some one who is trying to get the GM's to stop this kind of play.
  • chipsterchipster Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 128 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    The moral of the story is, get yourself a pre-made.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    chipster wrote: »
    The moral of the story is, get yourself a pre-made.
    :/ - why did you even bother posting?
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kizzeth - Which server are you on??

    Mindflayer maybe? "This win was brought to you by. Fistful of Zen. The guild with $1000 Punches and $100 monthly subs" :D
  • balorinbalorin Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    When you are dead, and when you come back to any spawn, you have a character animation to get you up.
    During this time 3-4 seconds you can do nothing but you can be target.
    Removing this useless animation, should be a good start.
  • manholiomanholio Member Posts: 493 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kizzeth wrote: »
    I am just trying to get ppl to help put a stop to this- what happend is done and in the past- why cant ppl just support some one eles when posting about something that should not have been allowed in the first place. give a thumbs up for some one who is trying to get the GM's to stop this kind of play.

    I'm with ya big guy. There have been a handful of us complaining about this for weeks, but the threads keep getting pulled down for naming and shaming. The L2P responders have obviously never had this happen to them or they haven't bothered to look at the streams that show it being done.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    kizzeth - Which server are you on??

    Mindflayer maybe? "This win was brought to you by. Fistful of Zen. The guild with $1000 Punches and $100 monthly subs" :D

    Well I would say you know of them, why you defending them?= it sounds like you are, and yes that was one of the guilds doing this last night,And yes i think they need to be kicked from the game-Knowingly using Exploit-and lol about how the GM's wont do anything about it,telling us to suck there............- and if you ask me they didn't win at anything.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Also GG is not exploit as you can simply walk into the spawn or just target a player in the spawn and use skills to get to them.

    They patched Domination PvP maps but left GG the way it was for a reason. Spawn or Graveyard camping is a legit PvP strategy to slow down the enemy or push them back.

    Also the issue isn't spawn camping but many bots just sitting/afking in the spawn. Each game I see 5+ players afking in spawn for free Glory & tokens.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    manholio wrote: »
    I'm with ya big guy. There have been a handful of us complaining about this for weeks, but the threads keep getting pulled down for naming and shaming. The L2P responders have obviously never had this happen to them or they haven't bothered to look at the streams that show it being done.
    (thumbs up)
  • manholiomanholio Member Posts: 493 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Also GG is not exploit as you can simply walk into the spawn or just target a player in the spawn and use skills to get to them.

    They patched Domination PvP maps but left GG the way it was for a reason. Spawn or Graveyard camping is a legit PvP strategy to slow down the enemy or push them back.

    Also the issue isn't spawn camping but many bots just sitting/afking in the spawn. Each game I see 5+ players afking in spawn for free Glory & tokens.

    AFKing is a whole nother ball of wax, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe that this is intentional. So, it was intentional that the Delzoun Camp is campable but the Luskan Camp isn't? This isn't a legit strategy unless both sides can employ it.
  • wingserwingser Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 70
    edited July 2013
    you suck and so does your grammar
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Also GG is not exploit as you can simply walk into the spawn or just target a player in the spawn and use skills to get to them.

    They patched Domination PvP maps but left GG the way it was for a reason. Spawn or Graveyard camping is a legit PvP strategy to slow down the enemy or push them back.

    Also the issue isn't spawn camping but many bots just sitting/afking in the spawn. Each game I see 5+ players afking in spawn for free Glory & tokens.

    well for one you cant just walk onto the other teams spawn- not sure where you got that from :/ = 2 spawn camping IN the other teams spawn is not a strategy- its a exploit if you can get up there, 3 this had nothing to do with bots.... there were not bots on top of our spawn fire last night killing us as we spawned.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kizzeth wrote: »
    Well I would say you know of them, why you defending them?= it sounds like you are, and yes that was one of the guilds doing this last night,And yes i think they need to be kicked from the game-Knowingly using Exploit-and lol about how the GM's wont do anything about it,telling us to suck there............- and if you ask me they didn't win at anything.

    #1 PvP/PvE Guild on Mindflayer

    Until a CRYPTIC Dev posts that it's an exploit to spawn/graveyard camp, it's creative use of in-game mechanic's. Same goes for Hidden Paths in dungeons.

    Only things that are exploits are 1-shot Bosses or using server/client 3rd party or console commands.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    #1 PvP/PvE Guild on Mindflayer

    Until a CRYPTIC Dev posts that it's an exploit to spawn/graveyard camp, it's creative use of in-game mechanic's. Same goes for Hidden Paths in dungeons.

    Only things that are exploits are 1-shot Bosses or using server/client 3rd party or console commands.
    Wrong again = they did that is why they said they fixed the reg pvp maps so you cant enter the other teams spawn-even though they still can :/
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    manholio wrote: »
    AFKing is a whole nother ball of wax, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe that this is intentional. So, it was intentional that the Delzoun Camp is campable but the Luskan Camp isn't? This isn't a legit strategy unless both sides can employ it.

    So standing below the spawn and killing all players that jump down isn't possible or using skills to jump into the other teams spawn isn't possible? Maybe you should try those strats next GG with a double premade.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kizzeth wrote: »
    Wrong again = they did that is why they said they fixed the reg pvp maps so you cant enter the other teams spawn-even though they still can :/

    Please show the POST by Cryptic DEVs stating that "Spawn/graveyard camping is against EULA/TOS or Exploit which violates TOS/EULA"

    It's really simple all they need to do is make a simple post and sticky on forums. Just like they do with Patch Notes, etc...
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I am starting to think that this Dkcandy is not only one of the users of this exploit but would love it if the game GM's do nothing about and let him do anything he wants exploit or not. why are you defending this DK? are you for using exploits? I would think you would like it if they fixed these things. would'nt you?
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Kizzeth - It's not an EXPLOIT!

    Spawn/Graveyard camping is something almost every PvP game I've played has and allows. Why would NW be any different?

    By putting up walls ect... only pushes back the spawn camping location. Even if players could not walk into the spawn they can still camp right below and kill you as you step out of your spawn. The issue is your teams lack of team work in a map designed around team play!

    When 5 players can hold back 10+ players there is a major issue with your team.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Please show the POST by Cryptic DEVs stating that "Spawn/graveyard camping is against EULA/TOS or Exploit which violates TOS/EULA"

    It's really simple all they need to do is make a simple post and sticky on forums. Just like they do with Patch Notes, etc...


    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?375171-Patch-Notes-NW-3-20130529g-25

    there it is Dk you wanted it you got it.
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    kizzeth wrote: »
    http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?375171-Patch-Notes-NW-3-20130529g-25

    there it is Dk you wanted it you got it.

    Again does not state "Spawn/graveyard camping is against EULA/TOS or Exploit which violates TOS/EULA"

    All they said is they "Players may no longer target and attack players in spawn points with ranged or teleport attacks. Players in spawn points may not snipe from their perches there, either."

    Nothing about it being an exploit. Also this patch has nothing to do with GG.
  • zephyrlizephyrli Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Kizzeth - It's not an EXPLOIT!

    Spawn/Graveyard camping is something almost every PvP game I've played has and allows. Why would NW be any different?

    By putting up walls ect... only pushes back the spawn camping location. Even if players could not walk into the spawn they can still camp right below and kill you as you step out of your spawn. The issue is your teams lack of team work in a map designed around team play!

    When 5 players can hold back 10+ players there is a major issue with your team.

    You must not have a whole lot of pvp experience to make a broad, uninformed statement like that...

    Most pvp games do allow for spawn camping but usually outside the exit to the spawn, not on the actual spawn site itself! Most decent pvp games will have an instant death mechanic for anyone who actually enters the enemy spawn. Instead this game actually allows the enemy team to REGENERATE at the enemy campfire. that is just HAMSTER and most likely an unintentional flaw in the game design. Secondly, most pvp games where spawn camping might occur have more than one exit to the spawn thus giving the team under fire a fighting chance to turn it around by sneaking out a different path and killing the campers in a pincer attack or employing some other strategy to even the odds again. As it stands neverwinter pvp is broken in a lot of ways and any argument you may have to defend spawn camping to this extent simply paints you as one of those who are benefitting from it in a big way.
  • kizzethkizzeth Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    then why did they try to fix it, and I still cant get over the fact you are defending this?
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    zephyrli wrote: »
    pvp is broken.

    Agree with that.
  • manholiomanholio Member Posts: 493 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    zephyrli wrote: »

    Most pvp games do allow for spawn camping but usually outside the exit to the spawn, not on the actual spawn site itself! Most decent pvp games will have an instant death mechanic for anyone who actually enters the enemy spawn.

    THIS. And no dkcandy, Delzoun can't get into enemy spawn (camp the actual fire, which is what these schlubs are doing) Camping the area outside is not the same thing and is not a game ender. The latter is.
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