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Intentionally killing crafting professions?
adinosii
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There used to be two kinds of things you could make a real profit from with the crafting professions.
One was gemmed exquisite pants/shirts. That profit has now dwindled, partly because of the rising prices of eggs, and partly because supply is up (more people have level 20 crafting) and demand is down (fewer people reaching level 60 and needing the shirts/pants).
The other was crafting of reinforced gauntlets (well, for tailoring, leatherworking and mailsmithing - not platesmithing)
However, as of today's patch, that changes - the reinforced versions will be BoP, so you cannot buy the regular versions for 200.000 (or so) and re-sell the reinforced versions for 400.000 (or so).
There might be some really intelligent thinking behind the decision to take away the only thing making the crafting professions profitable, but I cannot imagine what it might be.
All I know is that crafting professions are now even more pointless than before - there is simply no reason to bother raising them to 20 any more.
One was gemmed exquisite pants/shirts. That profit has now dwindled, partly because of the rising prices of eggs, and partly because supply is up (more people have level 20 crafting) and demand is down (fewer people reaching level 60 and needing the shirts/pants).
The other was crafting of reinforced gauntlets (well, for tailoring, leatherworking and mailsmithing - not platesmithing)
However, as of today's patch, that changes - the reinforced versions will be BoP, so you cannot buy the regular versions for 200.000 (or so) and re-sell the reinforced versions for 400.000 (or so).
There might be some really intelligent thinking behind the decision to take away the only thing making the crafting professions profitable, but I cannot imagine what it might be.
All I know is that crafting professions are now even more pointless than before - there is simply no reason to bother raising them to 20 any more.
Hoping for improvements...
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Can't you click the little cancel button in the corner? Should let you cancel, getting back all the materials.
Either way, I'm really annoyed. I was levelling Tailoring to 20 in my Cleric, as it has more Craft Slots open, so I could make gloves for my Wizard... now there's no reason to do any of the crafts. GG Cryptic, intentional or not, you've ruined crafting for casual players.
Further, you've also removed one of the reasons to train to level 20 in the first place.
Indeed, but this encourages more people to level their profession to 20, and get green/blue/purple tools, which means more profession asset pack sales, which means more Zen sales, which means more profit, right ?
Never mind that this means more players that get irritated and might end up playing/spending less - that is obviously totally irrelevant.
In my opinion, this is exactly the wrong direction to take - they should be making the crafting professions more viable, not less ... make recipes that require items made by several professions, make recipes that require very rare BoP resource drops, making more recipes that allow people to improve or modify their gear...not take things away like this.
If people are tired of paying 3-5k AD (lulz) for such easily made items they could have leveled the profession themselves all along. The reinforced gloves were the ONLY thing crafters could make a profit on without investing insane amounts of AD for the purple tools needed to make gemmed pants and shirts.
It's a long, long, long process to get to 20, and most people never bothered simply because if you're not going to invest millions of AD/Thousands of Zen into Crafting Assets, you literally can't make anything decent. But then came the gloves! Those wonderful gloves that needed no Assets to craft!
Suddenly being 20 was a wonderful thing! You could craft for your friends, for your guildmates, or even for strangers! And then you could sell them, and even make a little money.
Now, not only do you need to invest days, probably weeks, of effort getting it to 20... you also need to make a HUGE investment to make the only good items, and then you have to sell those for a long time to make back the money you spent on the items you need to make those. The only redeeming feature was that Assets didn't Bind.
So, crafting has now returned to the realms of "Letting the Rich get Richer". It also means raising more than one profession is a massive waste of time, since you can't make gloves for your alt characters anymore.
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Now that you can't sell gloves, it's easier and cheaper to just buy a Pants/Shirt off the Auction House and never touch crafting.
(Then there's the thought I've had in the back of my head since similar every-major-patch threads in WoW..... maybe, just maybe - professions aren't designed/intended to be guaranteed profit, but rather a time sink/gold sink/hobby, something for players to spend more time on to keep them in your game. Especially in this case, where your guaranteed income is in Leadership.)
Perhaps they could make such gloves Bound to Account?
I have Platesmithing on one alt at 20, but am not going to bother raising it to 20 on the other just for the gloves.
This.
I'd just gotten my Tailoring to level 13, on my Cleric. Why my Cleric and not my Wizard? Because my Cleric has 7 crafting slots unlocked, my Wizard has 4. The time and resources I spent levelling this have literally been wasted, because Cryptic decided they didn't like people making money without spending Zen on Assets.
This would make L20 professions more enticing to achieve.
There's a cancel button in the upper right of every task, you can use it, to my knowledge, at any point, even right before it ends.
This is what I was hoping for eventually.
Crafting professions have waaaay too much overhead to even bother. You have to sell several gemmed shirts/pants to even break even after getting the purple tools and such.
Plus you are not even guaranteed to even get gemmed versions when you try to craft epic shirts/pants (from what i understand). That makes even more overhead- well waste really.
Players crossing their fingers and hoping for the best, after so much investment, is a terrible way to implement endgame crafting.
No point in doing all the others.
Alchemy was added later, and I jumped on it because I wanted to make my own pots, but the way it is set up is that I have to spent literally hours and lots of mats to make ONE potion... unless a rare craft comes up for the potion I want, which is a rare occasion as well. Obviously none of this was thought through to make it a viable part of this game but a sinkhole until the players discover for themselves that it has no real value.
My biggest question is why on earth did they include this in the game? What is the vision the developers had for the crafting professions?
It was therefore not unreasonable to presume that the BoP reinforced gloves were bugged for GFs (or platesmiths, to be precise, but you're making GF gear, so same difference), and BoE was normal, rather than vice versa.
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I agree and I'm not at all surprised. Its all about money and greed. They are not only designing the game to be P2W they are forcing us to buy Zen with every step they take. Calling it Zen is such an insult to the word Zen. The greed is just disgusting.
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