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New Races... F2P gamers cant play Moon

soulwhispsoulwhisp Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 161 Bounty Hunter
edited July 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Moon & Sun Elves

Play as the epitome of intelligence, grace and resilience as one of the new elf races! Both will come with unique racial powers and stat bonus selection.

This is from here: http://nw.perfectworld.com/furyofthefeywild (second page)
When they posted this module1 page i tought everyone can choose moon elfs too! But....

But here they mention this in the FAQ:
What if I want to play the Sun Elf race as well as the exclusive Moon Elf race?

The Sun Elf race is free for all Neverwinter players.

So i gues Moon elfs not free. And they dont even mention if it will be ever free. :/
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  • m1nuendm1nuend Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I know this is random, but... Elves are actually my least favorite race. And now there will be like 3 and a half of them rrrrr ._.

    I wish they'd add some more hair choices instead.
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  • ysil6969ysil6969 Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Be happy they're giving a free race? It's cash out of their pocket to give things for free. Why should they spend their time developing things they aren't going to sell?
  • khatzhaskhatzhas Member Posts: 268 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    ysil6969 wrote: »
    Be happy they're giving a free race? It's cash out of their pocket to give things for free. Why should they spend their time developing things they aren't going to sell?
    To improve the market for the things that they do sell.

    If introducing a new race for free draws in more people, or makes them more likely to buy things from the zen store, then it may be worth the cost of developing it, even though they make no money from it directly.
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 845 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Oh boy.

    No, you're going at this from the wrong premise.

    Once we get to August 22nd and that the "Fury of the Feywild " module launches, you'll be able to create both Moon elves and Sun elves.

    However, much like the people whom bought the Founder's Pack "Heroes of the North" and got a 'unique' variant of the Drow with different racial abilities, the people whom will have obtained the "Knight of the Feywild" pack will likewise have access to a 'unique' variant of the Moon Elf race with different racial powers (referred to as "Moon Elf Resilience" and "Wanderlust").

    So, no worries, you don't have to shell out any monies to get to play your scantily-clad nubile moon elf maidens on August 22nd.
  • xtropianxtropian Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    umaeko wrote: »
    Once we get to August 22nd and that the "Fury of the Feywild " module launches, you'll be able to create both Moon elves and Sun elves.

    However, much like the people whom bought the Founder's Pack "Heroes of the North" and got a 'unique' variant of the Drow with different racial abilities, the people whom will have obtained the "Knight of the Feywild" pack will likewise have access to a 'unique' variant of the Moon Elf race with different racial powers (referred to as "Moon Elf Resilience" and "Wanderlust").

    Can you provide a link to where they say that? Not saying that it's untrue, but it's not in the same places where they list the features of the Knight of the Feywild Pack and the Extended FAQ.
  • theviking2006theviking2006 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 817 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    umaeko wrote: »
    Oh boy.

    No, you're going at this from the wrong premise.

    Once we get to August 22nd and that the "Fury of the Feywild " module launches, you'll be able to create both Moon elves and Sun elves.

    However, much like the people whom bought the Founder's Pack "Heroes of the North" and got a 'unique' variant of the Drow with different racial abilities, the people whom will have obtained the "Knight of the Feywild" pack will likewise have access to a 'unique' variant of the Moon Elf race with different racial powers (referred to as "Moon Elf Resilience" and "Wanderlust").

    So, no worries, you don't have to shell out any monies to get to play your scantily-clad nubile moon elf maidens on August 22nd.

    No actually you do need to shell out money for Moon Elves, as is stated in the FAQ clearly.
  • darklock101darklock101 Member Posts: 52
    edited July 2013
    m1nuend wrote: »
    I know this is random, but... Elves are actually my least favorite race. And now there will be like 3 and a half of them rrrrr ._.

    I wish they'd add some more hair choices instead.

    I'm with you on elves. And it will really be FOUR and a half. Wood, Moon, Sun, Drow, and the Half. That'll make just as many at least partly-elf races as all the other playable races combined.
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Im waiting for the rare elusive Keb-Ler Elves. And the new cookie making trade skill. :p
  • riqitariqita Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 297 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    It's pretty much just Sun Elves with a different racial.
    You get one new race for free and have to pay for the "premium" version.
    Seems like a fair deal to me.
  • devoteoftempusdevoteoftempus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 473 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    ysil6969 wrote: »
    Be happy they're giving a free race? It's cash out of their pocket to give things for free. Why should they spend their time developing things they aren't going to sell?

    Except for the fact that in numerous articles, interviews, whatever they specifically stated that races will be free along with classes since they view all of it as content and the whole idealology behind NW is 100% free content.

    When they lie that raises red flags. Also it is pure greed when the only way to purchase said race is through these overpriced packs which the only real item of value is the race. Assuming that that is the only way to get said race. The whole CS is infested with greed anyways so it's not surprising they are pulling this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
  • lostmarblesherelostmarbleshere Banned Users Posts: 654 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Its a pay to win game what did you expect. You want the better moon elf pay them. Suck it up buttercup
  • timmbeertimmbeer Member Posts: 268 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    soulwhisp wrote: »
    This is from here: http://nw.perfectworld.com/furyofthefeywild (second page)
    When they posted this module1 page i tought everyone can choose moon elfs too! But....

    But here they mention this in the FAQ:

    So i gues Moon elfs not free. And they dont even mention if it will be ever free. :/

    Sun elves should be in the package instead, and moon elves should be ftp. This will follow the lore of DnD much more "closely".
    "Lucky" is the new FOTM.
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Except for the fact that in numerous articles, interviews, whatever they specifically stated that races will be free along with classes since they view all of it as content and the whole idealology behind NW is 100% free content.

    Well, that there is where the concern should be. I remember reading posts where players said this, and is far as I know it was accurate, though I don't recall the sources of this information myself. If they did state this, and go back on that in this update, there is going to be a legitimate and strong complaint from many due to what would be misrepresentation.

    I still think it's possible that they just worded the announcement poorly, and neglected to mention that the Moon Elves would be available to other players some time after the pack is no longer sold, perhaps two months after, akin to the Drow being available two months after launch.

    If anyone knows of links to pages where the developers said all races and classes would be free that are still active, it may be helpful to post links to those articles in this thread, if that is allowable by forum rules.
  • silverasilvera Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    in the FAQ:

    Does it cost ZEN to unlock additional Races and Classes?

    All the available races at launch will be free.



    So ,some classes and races will not be free.
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    silvera wrote: »
    in the FAQ:

    Does it cost ZEN to unlock additional Races and Classes?

    All the available races at launch will be free.



    So ,some classes and races will not be free.

    Perhaps, but I don't think the FAQ is an exhaustive list of everything that was ever said about Neverwinter by the developers, so I don't know if that is definitive.
  • arcmoon99arcmoon99 Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If you ever played the original D&D you would no that not every race/class will be free.
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  • timmbeertimmbeer Member Posts: 268 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    arcmoon99 wrote: »
    If you ever played the original D&D you would no that not every race/class will be free.

    Hmm? How does that goes, as in 1st/2nd ADnD? Like really purchase that race or unlock through quests and stuff? Or are you refering to DDO?
    "Lucky" is the new FOTM.
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It sounds almost like he is thinking of class/race restrictions in the earlier editions, and that he is using free to mean available, as per the rule books.
  • xtropianxtropian Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    timmbeer wrote: »
    Sun elves should be in the package instead, and moon elves should be ftp. This will follow the lore of DnD much more "closely".
    Exactly. It's like having "Orc" as an exclusive race and allowing everyone to play "Uruk Hai" for free. There shouldn't be more Sun Elves running around than Moon Elves.

    I think they're well aware of what they're doing, though. Since Moon Elves were the default PC Elf race in the FR for 30 years, they're trying to entice old school players into buying the pack out of nostalgia. We gamers are a finicky lot, and there are a lot of people who want to faithfully recreate their old FR D&D characters in Neverwinter - and they're going to want to make them the same race, which for the majority of Elf players is Moon Elf. So it means more packs sold than if Sun Elf was exclusive. This is only my opinion, but other than the idea that they mixed up the races, it's the only thing that makes sense to me.
  • tang56tang56 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    timmbeer wrote: »
    Sun elves should be in the package instead, and moon elves should be ftp. This will follow the lore of DnD much more "closely".
    xtropian wrote: »
    Exactly. It's like having "Orc" as an exclusive race and allowing everyone to play "Uruk Hai" for free. There shouldn't be more Sun Elves running around than Moon Elves.

    I think they're well aware of what they're doing, though. Since Moon Elves were the default PC Elf race in the FR for 30 years, they're trying to entice old school players into buying the pack out of nostalgia. We gamers are a finicky lot, and there are a lot of people who want to faithfully recreate their old FR D&D characters in Neverwinter - and they're going to want to make them the same race, which for the majority of Elf players is Moon Elf. So it means more packs sold than if Sun Elf was exclusive. This is only my opinion, but other than the idea that they mixed up the races, it's the only thing that makes sense to me.

    Like both of you, I see the irony of having the most common eldarin subrace in lore as a Pay race.
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  • vientorvientor Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 80
    edited July 2013
    ysil6969 wrote: »
    Be happy they're giving a free race? It's cash out of their pocket to give things for free. Why should they spend their time developing things they aren't going to sell?

    It is not cash out of their pocket to provide the race for free. No more than it was to provide the other races that are free. No more than it was to provide the cities, and dungeons, and shops. Without providing certain things for free, they have no game, and no players.

    It surprises me that some people leap to defend every action the company takes, no matter how bad it is.

    It makes perfect sense for them to try and sell a cosmetic package to go with one of the races. It is, on the other hand, rather bad form to charge extra for a common D&D race. Decisions like that will cost them far more money than they will get from those few sales. People get turned off by blatant greed, and it generates ill will across their customer base when they do ridiculous stuff like that.
  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm with you on elves. And it will really be FOUR and a half. Wood, Moon, Sun, Drow, and the Half. That'll make just as many at least partly-elf races as all the other playable races combined.
    Another way to look at that is 4 elf races and 1.5 human races.:)
    vientor wrote: »
    It is not cash out of their pocket to provide the race for free. No more than it was to provide the other races that are free. No more than it was to provide the cities, and dungeons, and shops. Without providing certain things for free, they have no game, and no players.

    It surprises me that some people leap to defend every action the company takes, no matter how bad it is.

    It makes perfect sense for them to try and sell a cosmetic package to go with one of the races. It is, on the other hand, rather bad form to charge extra for a common D&D race. Decisions like that will cost them far more money than they will get from those few sales. People get turned off by blatant greed, and it generates ill will across their customer base when they do ridiculous stuff like that.
    You know, this is not the first game to charge additional money for new stuff added to the game. In fact, the traditional subscription model did exactly the same thing; except instead of paying separately for individual things we got to pay for everything bundled into an expansion pack, that forced every player to pay for the whole expansion whether you wanted all of it or only parts of it.
  • khatzhaskhatzhas Member Posts: 268 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    Except for the fact that in numerous articles, interviews, whatever they specifically stated that races will be free along with classes since they view all of it as content and the whole idealology behind NW is 100% free content.
    Can you cite any sources? Everyone I have asked previously has been unable to actually find any where they say that all races will be free. (As opposed to classes.)

    "Content" generally means "maps and missions" as the dev stated. Its what you play through, not necessarily what you play with. Although it could be argued that the 3-4 racial quests of a pay-only race is technically content that you have to pay for. Anyone capable of channelling their inner weasel to that extent is probably likely to spot that that is just an argument for giving Sun and Moon elves the same racial quests however.
  • pprandompprandom Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    well, as long as they allow players to buy the races (and let s be honest here, classes eventually) from the zen shop after the 60 days event i would still play. You can get zen by playing eventually. But they should be careful though because they won t sell any moronic packs for an mmo without players, and the game is not really well populated at this point
  • chronomancerchronomancer Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,223
    edited July 2013
    I want to play the illithid race. Mindflayer CW ftw ?
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I want to play the illithid race. Mindflayer CW ftw ?

    *laughs* That does sound like it might be a viable character.
  • yesbrasilyesyesbrasilyes Member Posts: 39
    edited July 2013
    ROFL this business model is terrible I wish I could compare their books to a successful F2P model. This module release looks like 1 final cash grab before a scrap date is announced when ESO, FFXIV, and EQN all release during the fall.
  • riqitariqita Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 297 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    I thought ESO was pushed back to next year?
  • theviking2006theviking2006 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 817 Bounty Hunter
    edited July 2013
    ROFL this business model is terrible I wish I could compare their books to a successful F2P model. This module release looks like 1 final cash grab before a scrap date is announced when ESO, FFXIV, and EQN all release during the fall.

    Yeah the free Module Fury of the Feywilds is definitely a cash grab, oh and the free race they are releasing too. Much more of a cash grab then say DDO where you pay for a large part of their dungeons, or LOTRO where you pack for a large part of their quests.

    Or how about one like Mabinogi where you can pay money to rent an item for 30 days and then you lose that item if you dont pay for it again.
  • chai23chai23 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah the free Module Fury of the Feywilds is definitely a cash grab, oh and the free race they are releasing too. Much more of a cash grab then say DDO where you pay for a large part of their dungeons, or LOTRO where you pack for a large part of their quests.

    Or how about one like Mabinogi where you can pay money to rent an item for 30 days and then you lose that item if you dont pay for it again.

    Which is all better monitization than having all content free and thinking people are going to stay around for the long term based simply on needing to grind out a slightly more powerful enchant. They got it bass ackwards when another bag slot is tougher to get than an entire suit of max level purple grade equip.
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