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joseph7777
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 20 Arc User
Hello,
lately I have been facing this issue where I join pup group for CN or DV and the DC or CW leaves because I joined. Their reasoning is GF sucks. Mind you I'm a 14K GS GF who cleared all bosses in game.
This kept happening quite often in the past few days. I do understand Dungeons can be done without tanks but we can make the group life easier and do more AOE dmg than any other class. Would you please give GF a chance before you judge?
Unless u want to exploite CN to the max then yeah we are slow and can't jumpdodge like CW/DC.
ktybye.
lately I have been facing this issue where I join pup group for CN or DV and the DC or CW leaves because I joined. Their reasoning is GF sucks. Mind you I'm a 14K GS GF who cleared all bosses in game.
This kept happening quite often in the past few days. I do understand Dungeons can be done without tanks but we can make the group life easier and do more AOE dmg than any other class. Would you please give GF a chance before you judge?
Unless u want to exploite CN to the max then yeah we are slow and can't jumpdodge like CW/DC.
ktybye.
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Lulz highest aoe dmg, good one! Now you know why people leave your group! they don't want to carry your **** @ss.
Show your ignorance more please.
35k HP, 30+% Deflect, 22%+ ArP, 20%+ CRT, 12k+ Power GF - Hulk Smash things. :P
BTW - A GF can jump/skip that specific run. With my gear I'm able to solo run past everything in that zone & kill all trash in front of portal while self healing and clear most it by the time my group catches up. Bull Charge & Front Line to knock trash off.
Well no dungeon or boss should be able to be completed without a tank. Till they make that fix. Its tough.
what are you tank spec with that much deflect lol.
I would very much like to know ur build + items please.
This guy is a baddie just like the majority of players in this game. So you want a TANK spec GF for CN to slow down the group?
which set do u use?
Me too, since that's way more impressive than my GF and he usually scores both Paingiver and Immovable Object when running epics with PUG's. With Guildies I have to really, really compete for Paingiver.
And unless you can bring a mob down from 100-0 with 2 skills, it's not high DPS. A CW can kills mobs outright just by pushing them off or disabling the mob entirely while doing damage. A TR can disable a group of mobs as well as providing damage, high single target damage against a boss when it really matters. A DC provides healing and great support.
What do fighters bring to the table besides damage?
First of all those clerics are dumb a**es. However, in their defense it's pretty awful being a cleric these days. If you think the group can't handle what you are going to do then you have a choice to make. You can attempt the content and take 100 percent of the rage and blame for not keeping people alive if it goes badly, or leave, and find another group that is sure to not have any problems.
Your biggest problem is that there are a ton of really bad GF's, GWF's too for that matter.
AOE debuff, AOE speed buff + action point buff to team + all adds are aggroed + all adds are being damaged by the GF AOE DPS. Can heal self from nothing to full with daily. Can Knock off single targets out of platform or to CW area of effect. 60% Power buff to team if Knight set is being used.
FYI, GF's can also knock monsters off ledges. In fact, they do it very well. If properly specced with high recovery they can compete with CW's in this regard, and when working together they can take down huge numbers of monsters this way since they fixate on the GF and the ones that they GF doesn't knock off the ledges the CW can handle.
In addition to that, GF's bring to the table some significant CC and monster management with drawing aggro, helping keep the squishier folks alive while doing damage and soaking up punishment.
But I am dressed in:
4/4 Stal:
Utility: Dark Rank 7
Defensive: Rad Rank 8
Offensive: Dark Rank 7's (Upgrading to 8's as I farm more AD)
Pet gives me all of my CRT.
If you are serious about PvE than buy yourself a Stone or Cat and invest a lot of AD into gearing your pet! 9% Rank 8 is cheap and stack hard on 1 or 2 stats.
Back in the old days of World of Warcraft PvE Players that wanted to raid had to softcap their stats for damage. NW is no different.
Softcap your ArP around 14-20% (24% is hardcap for bosses)
Softcap your CRT around 10-15% (bonus) (huge DR on CRT past 2k)
Once you have your softcaps add power or recovery but my build is far from cheap and I'll continue to upgrade my Rank 7's to 8 this month and up to 9/10's eventually.
I can tank on a Conq just as fine as a "Tank" GF.
I have those stats with just Rank 5 enchants and 5% less resistance. Once I get Rank 8 on my pet and my GF it's going to be crazy.
And you can NOT reach my stats with Rank 5 sorry. It takes Rank 7/8s & more to get my total stats.
35k HP & 30% Deflect with as much CRT/ARP/Recovery/Regen/Power etc... is not easily obtainable unless you've been playing awhile or paid a lot of real cash for enchants.
This is also my 6th GF Reroll to get perfect stats for this specific build.
Either you are good playing your toon, either you are not... if you are good as a tank, you will be wellcome to CN groups because it makes things smother and easier the work of CWs (the stars of CN, not the DC, not the TR, gimme 2 good CWs and the whole CN is 1 hour without cheating) your job as a tank is A: tank the 3rd boss without dying. B: run ahead to make the mobs target you instead of the CWs till those start their mojo, C: Launch wizards flying to CWs in Draco... if you can do that... youre wellcome to CN in any Pro group.
SHH.. about the double CW for CN. That's a trade secret!
I the only thing I don't understand is how is your Deflect so high? I get the build the soft caps the HP. I just don't get the Deflect seems to get 30% that you would have to socket it. I am at 15% deflect and don't even know if it is worth keeping. Do you notice a big difference in having it that high and what did you do to get that.
Sorry, but no. All a GF can do in this scenario is make bad CWs perform better. There is no number of mobs a CW can't knock (shield has no target limit) IF they can stay alive long enough to position themselves and the mobs.
Again, GFs let lower skilled parties handle the content more easily/safer but not faster. There are some specific fights where a GF is really nice to have (FH and in the Draco fight) but sadly that's the minority of of the fights.
You're still not going to beat a well geared CW in AoE damage...not by a long shot.
In CN good runs CWs split their AoE, so if you run on GPF or G/P lightning as a Gf you will take advantage of the huge amount of mobs gathered and end with astronomical numbers being able to top charts, yet is somewhat "fake" because you know... the work is being done by the CC, not by your mighty sword... you just reduce the time of the encounters and make them safer...
Lately im on holy avenger... mainly because it doesnt matter at all, the buff is nice to have and the weapon looks cool, but i couldnt care less about the damage charts... you know what i care in CN?? in my 6 last runs... i won 0 loot rolls out of 18... i freaking need a "luck" stone in the zen shop man... i would pay zen for that... 2m AD worth of zen!!!!
The CW doesn't even need to be well geared. As long as you have a group that knows wth they are doing the only person you will beat in dps is the cleric. Any good group will take less than 1 min per trash pull and that's pulling multiple trash groups whenever possible.
His huge hp pool, 30% deflect are useless for how easy and fast trash mobs are and his crt and arp is not even close to high enough to keep up with TR on boss fights. You're doing it wrong if you think your trash mob dps matters and your team is slacking to keep you happy if you're even 1st on dps.
Get on my level then post how good you are.
LOL who said I was #1 in DMG? That's just stupid talk and GF's that think they can be #1 in DMG are ignorant. #1 in PUGs sure because they are garbage but #1 vs. Experienced players in BiS Gear DPS Class. /LOL
My guild mates carried me when I was fresh and now I'm geared/experienced and I carry them with speed runs & teach other guild mates how to run.
Some guild members don't even get asked to do CN runs because they don't have the skills to do it and just waste time. It's no different than pugs, some players just can't do it. Because they can't grasp the mechanic's of the fights or map awareness to stay alive.
Another reason why I am always single target DPS on last boss. I do 100k+ CRTs (Our GF with P.Vorpal did 156k CRT) and my DPS is comparable to TR's. (few thousand DPS difference last 25%).
Tactician blows end of discussion , untill there are usefull feats implemented in the bottom tree at least .
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but that was how I read your defense of the OP here. He specifically made that claim.