1 screenshot of you being at the #2 spot means NOTHING. Could of been a really bad group of players you went up again.
You do that in say at least 50% of your matches and can prove it than I will believe you.
Eh, I'm tired of trying to prove **** to you guys. Just know that you are not the majority. Many many clerics do excellent in PvP and are near impossible to kill 1 vs 1, as well as being absolute clutch in many matches. If you dont like the cleric class, just dont play I guess. This forum is flooded with all sorts of knowledge to make people better, you guys are just not listening.
Eh, I'm tired of trying to prove **** to you guys. Just know that you are not the majority. Many many clerics do excellent in PvP and are near impossible to kill 1 vs 1, as well as being absolute clutch in many matches. If you dont like the cleric class, just dont play I guess. This forum is flooded with all sorts of knowledge to make people better, you guys are just not listening.
Cheers!
I like how you say we shouldn't talk for everyone and here you are taking it upon yourself to do so. I assure you I PvP all the time and always tend to score higher than most all clerics I go up against as well as get more kills. Its obvious you are happy with the cleric being nerfed into the ground, most everyone else that posts don't seem to agree with you though.
I like how you say we shouldn't talk for everyone and here you are taking it upon yourself to do so. I assure you I PvP all the time and always tend to score higher than most all clerics I go up against as well as get more kills. Its obvious you are happy with the cleric being nerfed into the ground, most everyone else that posts don't seem to agree with you though.
You can talk all ya want. There are many who dont agree with this "nerfing to the ground" stuff that you dudes are sayin. Quit for awhile and come back when you think its better I guess /shrug GL to ya
You can talk all ya want. There are many who dont agree with this "nerfing to the ground" stuff that you dudes are sayin. Quit for awhile and come back when you think its better I guess /shrug GL to ya
Thing is you have the best armour and good enchantments, a lot of players complaining do not, so its ok you sitting on your high horse looking down at every one telling us we are doing it wrong, and its hard to actually get better armour, lets face it in PvP if you don't have good armour you may as well stay away, because if you get with a group that is also under geared it will be a white wash each and every time and its not fun.
I have been trying to do dungeons and always seem to get a rubbish group so I am unable to actually progress any further unless i get lucky with the queuing system and get a decent team with decent dps as the issue in the groups is rarely the healing its the dps not doing enough damage before the adds start spewing out.
I have war prophets armour which is T1 isn't it? or am i wrong is there better armour in the first set of epic dungeons as I can do them no issues? but if i can never find a group that's capable of actually doing any other than the T1 dungeons then what are we supposed to do.
I only get a couple of hours every other day and 3-4 on the friday and saturday most times, and i find my self unable to progress.
Any advice would be welcome but if its just going to be get better gear well, we know that already and that's where the problems come in.
If your group is horrid and your opponents are geared it will be painful on the cleric. Less so on other classes like TR and GWF/GF. The cleric demands a group that can actually kill things.
If your group is horrid and your opponents are geared it will be painful on the cleric. Less so on other classes like TR and GWF/GF. The cleric demands a group that can actually kill things.
Yes this is the experience i have had so far, once all the adds start chasing me thats it as i cannot biuld more than one pip at a time because im running around like a headless chicken.
Is the war prophets armour not good enough for T2? its currently at 9.1 gs.
I think you're better off going 2/2, so get two pieces of something else from the "T1 selection" and just benefit from the two sets of +stats rather than the 20% faster DP the full war prophet set gets you. This will also boost your gearscore, because gearscore is very silly.
I think you're better off going 2/2, so get two pieces of something else from the "T1 selection" and just benefit from the two sets of +stats rather than the 20% faster DP the full war prophet set gets you. This will also boost your gearscore, because gearscore is very silly.
I rocked out the 2/2 set bonus's for quite sometime. I just recently started using the 4/4 miracle healer set. Some people dont like the heal benefit from MH set, but as of right now I'm loving it. If its not something you want to use, then absolutely. The 2/2 sets are amazing.
Also maceruk. I have a fiew best in slot items, but that is because I did the dungeons. I've said before in other posts, my enchants are only rank 5 and rank 6. My gear is nowhere near "epic". It is good, but I would gather I'm in the middle somewhere. I have no idea what build you are using, but I guarantee even with lesser equipped gear, the clerics can push out some serious heals.
Again not sure of your build, but I cant see gaining divine power being hard. If you are in a dungeon, and in "my" opinion, you arent using Sunburst, then you are wrong. Its excellent damage, heals are great, and builds divine insanely fast.
Also, lesser rings sell very cheap(atleast on mindlfyaer)on the AH, having lesser jewelry and the war prophets that you speak of, with rank 5 enchants(sell for 3-4gold), you will easily be over 10k GS. Not really sure what else to say about that. It really isnt that hard to get gear in this game guys.
I rocked out the 2/2 set bonus's for quite sometime. I just recently started using the 4/4 miracle healer set. Some people dont like the heal benefit from MH set, but as of right now I'm loving it. If its not something you want to use, then absolutely. The 2/2 sets are amazing.
Also maceruk. I have a fiew best in slot items, but that is because I did the dungeons. I've said before in other posts, my enchants are only rank 5 and rank 6. My gear is nowhere near "epic". It is good, but I would gather I'm in the middle somewhere. I have no idea what build you are using, but I guarantee even with lesser equipped gear, the clerics can push out some serious heals.
Again not sure of your build, but I cant see gaining divine power being hard. If you are in a dungeon, and in "my" opinion, you arent using Sunburst, then you are wrong. Its excellent damage, heals are great, and builds divine insanely fast.
Also, lesser rings sell very cheap(atleast on mindlfyaer)on the AH, having lesser jewelry and the war prophets that you speak of, with rank 5 enchants(sell for 3-4gold), you will easily be over 10k GS. Not really sure what else to say about that. It really isnt that hard to get gear in this game guys.
I do not get as much time online so my cash reserves are not very high, I have rank 4 enchantments, also not much AD as i rarely have enough time to do the dailies well daily :P
I do not use sunburst as find the heal is not very good it does build action points and divine quicker but i worry about switching it for FF as this is pretty good as long as the PuG hits the target its affecting.
I will give it a try later.
This is what I'm using atm, I was planning on buying a respec token for feats but not sure at this point as I am not really having much fun. Already have a a respec for powers which they gave us last time so changing anything on there isn't an issue, some of them are selected as i just wanted to use the points and rarely use the powers.
in dungeons i tend to run all heal encounters WoM FF and AS, SF and AS for at wills, divine armour and HG for dailys.
I tried use brand of sun but prefer SF for the temp hit and i find BoS takes ages to generate divine.
Just in case you're wondering, munkey: BiS weapons, offhands, rings, plus weapon and armour enchants (even lessers), puts you considerably higher than "the middle" in terms of gear.
It's the equivalent of a hedgefund broker saying "I'm doing ok, I guess, but it's not like I have more than three yachts or anything. I'd say I'm about..middle of the wealth curve". If you compare yourself to other incredibly well-geared people then you might think your stuff is only "ok", but it's not, it really isn't. It's very, very good.
So saying "I get 15K crits with X" or whatever just demonstrates that your gear is great. Anyone wearing stuff like that will be able to get crits like that, because actual quantities of damage/healing in this game is not skill-based.
However, not everyone has gear like that (I'd wager that the vast majority don't), so it's not terribly useful as a metric.
Skill use, and skill choice, and how/when to move/dodge/etc? That is helpful. People like that. Telling people that they should try "not sucking at the class" because they can't heal through TR spike damage is less helpful, because you're using YOUR stuff, and they're probably using using crappy sub-5 enchanted PvP purps and blues.
I do not get as much time online so my cash reserves are not very high, I have rank 4 enchantments, also not much AD as i rarely have enough time to do the dailies well daily :P
I do not use sunburst as find the heal is not very good it does build action points and divine quicker but i worry about switching it for FF as this is pretty good as long as the PuG hits the target its affecting.
I will give it a try later.
This is what I'm using atm, I was planning on buying a respec token for feats but not sure at this point as I am not really having much fun. Already have a a respec for powers which they gave us last time so changing anything on there isn't an issue, some of them are selected as i just wanted to use the points and rarely use the powers.
in dungeons i tend to run all heal encounters WoM FF and AS, SF and AS for at wills, divine armour and HG for dailys.
I tried use brand of sun but prefer SF for the temp hit and i find BoS takes ages to generate divine.
So you think i should swap FF for SB? or WoM?
Thanks for advice.
So, seeings how "I" like my spec, I am going to favor mine over yours, but our builds are very similar.
As far as feats go. I feel the 1 point you put into Initiate of the Faith is wasted. Its .2% of your power, thats a HAMSTER sandwich for a bonus. Also I feel that any cleric putting points into Domain Synergy is also a waste. Because all the gear we have, is recovery heavy, and its so very easy to get to the soft cap without even gemming, which is why most clerics in T2 gear, all gem radiants for power.
I feel a better spot for those points would be into Weapon Mastery 3/3, 3% extra chance to land a crit really adds up. The other point I would put into Toughness, 3% more health, is much better then .2%of power in my opinion.
If, and I hope that you are, using healers lore, Mark of Mending 5/5 is an absolute must. 5% more healing bonus is huge, as well as giving your character a 5% bonus to your Power, based off your recovery.
Alot of clerics go back and fourth with Invigorated Healing 5/5, or Benefit of Foresight 5/5. For me, as I rarely ever slot foresight, I chose not to go with it, and instead picked Invig healing. 2.5% while small, really starts to add up for heals. Constantly using Sunburst and Astral Shield on CD ends up as alot over time. The Invig heals also crit.
Moontouched. Is great, but what i have now is working great so i'm not going to mess with it. I cant see getting rid of Invig healing or mark of Mending.
I'm a bit tired, but the hell is WoM?
I'm not really sure what else to say about the gear, I dont know what server you play on. But many many good T2 gear drops are very cheap to buy, and minor jewelry, some of them are running for 5kad to 25kad.
I never said i had a 15k healing crit. What I did say was by using a specific rotation, I have healed for well over 15k. My normal rotation is generally around there, 12-18k heals in a cooldown, higher if I am critting alot. Yes I spose alot of it has to do with my gear, but. With the spec that I use, when done right, an individual will be healed by me with a 23% bonus, and 17%bonus inately to the entire group. As I switch alot and am constantly re-targeting and re-focusing, the majority of my party is most of the time running at the full 23% to heals.
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Eh, I'm tired of trying to prove **** to you guys. Just know that you are not the majority. Many many clerics do excellent in PvP and are near impossible to kill 1 vs 1, as well as being absolute clutch in many matches. If you dont like the cleric class, just dont play I guess. This forum is flooded with all sorts of knowledge to make people better, you guys are just not listening.
Cheers!
I like how you say we shouldn't talk for everyone and here you are taking it upon yourself to do so. I assure you I PvP all the time and always tend to score higher than most all clerics I go up against as well as get more kills. Its obvious you are happy with the cleric being nerfed into the ground, most everyone else that posts don't seem to agree with you though.
You can talk all ya want. There are many who dont agree with this "nerfing to the ground" stuff that you dudes are sayin. Quit for awhile and come back when you think its better I guess /shrug GL to ya
Thing is you have the best armour and good enchantments, a lot of players complaining do not, so its ok you sitting on your high horse looking down at every one telling us we are doing it wrong, and its hard to actually get better armour, lets face it in PvP if you don't have good armour you may as well stay away, because if you get with a group that is also under geared it will be a white wash each and every time and its not fun.
I have been trying to do dungeons and always seem to get a rubbish group so I am unable to actually progress any further unless i get lucky with the queuing system and get a decent team with decent dps as the issue in the groups is rarely the healing its the dps not doing enough damage before the adds start spewing out.
I have war prophets armour which is T1 isn't it? or am i wrong is there better armour in the first set of epic dungeons as I can do them no issues? but if i can never find a group that's capable of actually doing any other than the T1 dungeons then what are we supposed to do.
I only get a couple of hours every other day and 3-4 on the friday and saturday most times, and i find my self unable to progress.
Any advice would be welcome but if its just going to be get better gear well, we know that already and that's where the problems come in.
Yes this is the experience i have had so far, once all the adds start chasing me thats it as i cannot biuld more than one pip at a time because im running around like a headless chicken.
Is the war prophets armour not good enough for T2? its currently at 9.1 gs.
Any one else agree with this?
I rocked out the 2/2 set bonus's for quite sometime. I just recently started using the 4/4 miracle healer set. Some people dont like the heal benefit from MH set, but as of right now I'm loving it. If its not something you want to use, then absolutely. The 2/2 sets are amazing.
Also maceruk. I have a fiew best in slot items, but that is because I did the dungeons. I've said before in other posts, my enchants are only rank 5 and rank 6. My gear is nowhere near "epic". It is good, but I would gather I'm in the middle somewhere. I have no idea what build you are using, but I guarantee even with lesser equipped gear, the clerics can push out some serious heals.
Again not sure of your build, but I cant see gaining divine power being hard. If you are in a dungeon, and in "my" opinion, you arent using Sunburst, then you are wrong. Its excellent damage, heals are great, and builds divine insanely fast.
Also, lesser rings sell very cheap(atleast on mindlfyaer)on the AH, having lesser jewelry and the war prophets that you speak of, with rank 5 enchants(sell for 3-4gold), you will easily be over 10k GS. Not really sure what else to say about that. It really isnt that hard to get gear in this game guys.
I do not get as much time online so my cash reserves are not very high, I have rank 4 enchantments, also not much AD as i rarely have enough time to do the dailies well daily :P
I do not use sunburst as find the heal is not very good it does build action points and divine quicker but i worry about switching it for FF as this is pretty good as long as the PuG hits the target its affecting.
I will give it a try later.
This is what I'm using atm, I was planning on buying a respec token for feats but not sure at this point as I am not really having much fun. Already have a a respec for powers which they gave us last time so changing anything on there isn't an issue, some of them are selected as i just wanted to use the points and rarely use the powers.
http://nwcalc.com/dc?b=p6n:3jsxf:b65s,1x0i914:60000:bzuuv:60000&h=0
in dungeons i tend to run all heal encounters WoM FF and AS, SF and AS for at wills, divine armour and HG for dailys.
I tried use brand of sun but prefer SF for the temp hit and i find BoS takes ages to generate divine.
So you think i should swap FF for SB? or WoM?
Thanks for advice.
It's the equivalent of a hedgefund broker saying "I'm doing ok, I guess, but it's not like I have more than three yachts or anything. I'd say I'm about..middle of the wealth curve". If you compare yourself to other incredibly well-geared people then you might think your stuff is only "ok", but it's not, it really isn't. It's very, very good.
So saying "I get 15K crits with X" or whatever just demonstrates that your gear is great. Anyone wearing stuff like that will be able to get crits like that, because actual quantities of damage/healing in this game is not skill-based.
However, not everyone has gear like that (I'd wager that the vast majority don't), so it's not terribly useful as a metric.
Skill use, and skill choice, and how/when to move/dodge/etc? That is helpful. People like that. Telling people that they should try "not sucking at the class" because they can't heal through TR spike damage is less helpful, because you're using YOUR stuff, and they're probably using using crappy sub-5 enchanted PvP purps and blues.
So, seeings how "I" like my spec, I am going to favor mine over yours, but our builds are very similar.
As far as feats go. I feel the 1 point you put into Initiate of the Faith is wasted. Its .2% of your power, thats a HAMSTER sandwich for a bonus. Also I feel that any cleric putting points into Domain Synergy is also a waste. Because all the gear we have, is recovery heavy, and its so very easy to get to the soft cap without even gemming, which is why most clerics in T2 gear, all gem radiants for power.
I feel a better spot for those points would be into Weapon Mastery 3/3, 3% extra chance to land a crit really adds up. The other point I would put into Toughness, 3% more health, is much better then .2%of power in my opinion.
If, and I hope that you are, using healers lore, Mark of Mending 5/5 is an absolute must. 5% more healing bonus is huge, as well as giving your character a 5% bonus to your Power, based off your recovery.
Alot of clerics go back and fourth with Invigorated Healing 5/5, or Benefit of Foresight 5/5. For me, as I rarely ever slot foresight, I chose not to go with it, and instead picked Invig healing. 2.5% while small, really starts to add up for heals. Constantly using Sunburst and Astral Shield on CD ends up as alot over time. The Invig heals also crit.
Moontouched. Is great, but what i have now is working great so i'm not going to mess with it. I cant see getting rid of Invig healing or mark of Mending.
I'm a bit tired, but the hell is WoM?
I'm not really sure what else to say about the gear, I dont know what server you play on. But many many good T2 gear drops are very cheap to buy, and minor jewelry, some of them are running for 5kad to 25kad.
I never said i had a 15k healing crit. What I did say was by using a specific rotation, I have healed for well over 15k. My normal rotation is generally around there, 12-18k heals in a cooldown, higher if I am critting alot. Yes I spose alot of it has to do with my gear, but. With the spec that I use, when done right, an individual will be healed by me with a 23% bonus, and 17%bonus inately to the entire group. As I switch alot and am constantly re-targeting and re-focusing, the majority of my party is most of the time running at the full 23% to heals.