bots cn solve captches, captchas are only there to annoy real people and nothing more
Bots can't solve good scrambled text/number captcha let alone --> Picture based captcha with large enough pool of pictures can't be broken by a bot. Especially with limited amount of tries before temporary ban. (What do you see on this picture ? An elephant )
Bots can't solve good scrambled text/number captcha let alone --> Picture based captcha with large enough pool of pictures can't be broken by a bot. Especially with limited amount of tries before temporary ban. (What do you see on this picture ? An elephant )
and 80% of the players cant solve them either
and yes, they can be solved by a bot and be it with a human middleman
Bots can't solve good scrambled text/number captcha let alone --> Picture based captcha with large enough pool of pictures can't be broken by a bot. Especially with limited amount of tries before temporary ban. (What do you see on this picture ? An elephant )
The easy captchas can be solved by bots, the hard ones can't be solved by humans either.
And commercial botters hire humans from 3rd world countries for practically nothing. I am not saying that they can, I am saying that they DO. it is a known phenomenon.
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sh4dowrunn3rMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 17Arc User
edited July 2013
I think some of those botters also post on forums and are afraid for their profits.
They wouldn't need bots if they hired people for nothing to play the game.
Tho it's true people would have problems with picture captchas because of english not being their native language... And good letter/number captchas are very annoying usually and hard to read... agree on that point.
Everything you do to fight bots always means worse gaming experience for normal players.
I think an important fact has been left out from this (rather interesting) thread: Players are SUPPOSED to buy AD with real money. Thats the whole business model behind this game. So players who actually buy AD from farmers just do what they are supposed to do. They just buy it cheaper then from PWE. And that is the principle of a free market :cool:
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sh4dowrunn3rMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 17Arc User
I think an important fact has been left out from this (rather interesting) thread: Players are SUPPOSED to buy AD with real money. Thats the whole business model behind this game. So players who actually buy AD from farmers just do what they are supposed to do. They just buy it cheaper then from PWE. And that is the principle of a free market :cool:
Very true, so the only problem for players is bots ruining their pvp experience. Everything else is PW's business/problem - if they make to much $$$ to care about people stealing part of their income...
Viewing this from this viewpoint it makes OP pretty much obsolete except asking cryptic to solve PVP issues.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited July 2013
Bots don't exist if there aren't people out there buying from 3rd party sites.
Bots don't exist if there aren't people out there buying from 3rd party sites.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree.
If a game offers gameplay that is trivial enough to allow a bot to run it, there will be bots for it. Simply because people are too bored to run the same chores again and again themselves.
I played a lot of MMOs and the only way to stop bots is to make the gameplay engaging/complex enough so that a human is required. And to take care of exploits/bugs. Which seem to plague this game quite a bit...
And on a side note: Players wouldn't buy from 3rd party vendors if the shop from PWE wouldn't be so overpriced.
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xhritMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
My point is that every single aspect of this game is enticing for bot users, and that's the reason why they are everywhere.
Every persistent online game since Ultima Online has had rmt, bots, and gold sellers. If in game currency can be traded between characters then in game currency will be sold, if only items can be traded then items will be sold, and if nothing can be traded then characters and accounts will be sold.
Even before online games there were 3rd party pay to win options for gamers who had more cash then skill.
They could implement a CAPCHA or w/e it's called, which pops up if your behaviors are found to be too patterned. They could adjust the skill nodes so their placement is random. Totally eliminate he ability to go AFk in PvP - you are aren't actually fighting the other side, then no rewards at all. You can lose and still get rewards, but make it so you have to participate. Similarly, implement a simple CAPCHA for each new task on the Gateway, to address botting there.
Sorry to burst your bubble but bot's can read CAPCHA now with 99% accuracy i do programming in C++,CSharp,assembly and quite a few scripting languages there are scripts out there and code for this i have tested them on websites and they work VERY well.
Only way to prevent bots in pvp is make make everything bound to account including the gear.
I think an important fact has been left out from this (rather interesting) thread: Players are SUPPOSED to buy AD with real money. Thats the whole business model behind this game. So players who actually buy AD from farmers just do what they are supposed to do. They just buy it cheaper then from PWE. And that is the principle of a free market :cool:
Well, the problem with that free market / bots, is that the Zen:AD ratio decreases at a higher rate, so in long term it damages the economy, and the players because the game becomes P2W (Much easier to pay for Zen than to gather AD to pay for Zen), and the free market doesn't solve this because the Zen price set by cryptic and the illegal vendors will not be modified because they also want to earn money.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but bot's can read CAPCHA now with 99% accuracy i do programming in C++,CSharp,assembly and quite a few scripting languages there are scripts out there and code for this i have tested them on websites and they work VERY well.
Only way to prevent bots in pvp is make make everything bound to account including the gear.
Hear hear. I've actually been wondering why use capchas at all because of pattern recognition algorithms. If they are good enough to read license plates from a surveillance camera during the night when it's raining, why wouldn't they be able to solve capchas? Like someone here already said, they are only made to annoy real people.
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Hear hear. I've actually been wondering why use capchas at all because of pattern recognition algorithms. If they are good enough to read license plates from a surveillance camera during the night when it's raining, why wouldn't they be able to solve capchas? Like someone here already said, they are only made to annoy real people.
Capcha is great against LOW level bots. The higher level bot require a bit more software to make it work. People are lazy so some may not want to invest in higher level bot software
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Bots can't solve good scrambled text/number captcha let alone --> Picture based captcha with large enough pool of pictures can't be broken by a bot. Especially with limited amount of tries before temporary ban. (What do you see on this picture ? An elephant
and 80% of the players cant solve them either
and yes, they can be solved by a bot and be it with a human middleman
And commercial botters hire humans from 3rd world countries for practically nothing. I am not saying that they can, I am saying that they DO. it is a known phenomenon.
They wouldn't need bots if they hired people for nothing to play the game.
Tho it's true people would have problems with picture captchas because of english not being their native language... And good letter/number captchas are very annoying usually and hard to read... agree on that point.
Everything you do to fight bots always means worse gaming experience for normal players.
Very true, so the only problem for players is bots ruining their pvp experience. Everything else is PW's business/problem - if they make to much $$$ to care about people stealing part of their income...
Viewing this from this viewpoint it makes OP pretty much obsolete except asking cryptic to solve PVP issues.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree.
If a game offers gameplay that is trivial enough to allow a bot to run it, there will be bots for it. Simply because people are too bored to run the same chores again and again themselves.
I played a lot of MMOs and the only way to stop bots is to make the gameplay engaging/complex enough so that a human is required. And to take care of exploits/bugs. Which seem to plague this game quite a bit...
And on a side note: Players wouldn't buy from 3rd party vendors if the shop from PWE wouldn't be so overpriced.
Every persistent online game since Ultima Online has had rmt, bots, and gold sellers. If in game currency can be traded between characters then in game currency will be sold, if only items can be traded then items will be sold, and if nothing can be traded then characters and accounts will be sold.
Even before online games there were 3rd party pay to win options for gamers who had more cash then skill.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but bot's can read CAPCHA now with 99% accuracy i do programming in C++,CSharp,assembly and quite a few scripting languages there are scripts out there and code for this i have tested them on websites and they work VERY well.
Only way to prevent bots in pvp is make make everything bound to account including the gear.
Well, the problem with that free market / bots, is that the Zen:AD ratio decreases at a higher rate, so in long term it damages the economy, and the players because the game becomes P2W (Much easier to pay for Zen than to gather AD to pay for Zen), and the free market doesn't solve this because the Zen price set by cryptic and the illegal vendors will not be modified because they also want to earn money.
"The harder the game, the better."
Capcha is great against LOW level bots. The higher level bot require a bit more software to make it work. People are lazy so some may not want to invest in higher level bot software
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