Its complex math equation man. Its beyond the understanding of us mere mortals. And any hard data would only confirm facts have been extracted from a posterior location.
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filcMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Compare to all the players that dominate PvP and GG with Rank 8 or higher runes or Greater or higher enchants, the game is a mess and out of balance as is.
Your secret statement is not even viable. Also GS doesn't mean squat. The correct build and skilled player is greater than gear score. All what gear score does is causes players to jump in castle never and gives everyone a head ache.
Also not every one has an enchantment on their weapon or armor in pugs and even random people in Protector's enclave. In PvP yes but for PvE, no. Don't make a statement that every one has an enchantment, might be easy to farm a "shard" for a particular enchantment, doesn't mean they are enchanted.
I agree with you that game is more about skill and not that much bout GS. But really you don't need anything higher than mark 5 and lesser ench. It's waste of the money and time for current content. Been there, done that.
For PvP, equip can make diff only if two equal pre-made guild groups fight each other, both on TS. Sorry, but random pug PvP is just for laugh and you can't honestly make any argument based on that. In PvP skill and communication is #1, always will be.
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jiguur1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I agree with you that game is more about skill and not that much bout GS. But really you don't need anything higher than mark 5 and lesser ench. It's waste of the money and time for current content. Been there, done that.
For PvP, equip can make diff only if two equal pre-made guild groups fight each other, both on TS. Sorry, but random pug PvP is just for laugh and you can't honestly make any argument based on that. In PvP skill and communication is #1, always will be.
Any gear with set bonuses for particular classes either in T1/T2 with PvE or PvP sets, make a huge difference. The fact you deny this just tells me you dont know anything.
Equation: Gear, Mounts, Potions, Enchants, Runes, and Placement. Skill and Build. Communication. Seriously all of these factor add up. You act like you never played Dota 2, SC2, or LoL. Yet you call yourself a PvPer? Much less a PvEer?
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filcMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Any gear with set bonuses for particular classes either in T1/T2 with PvE or PvP sets, make a huge difference. The fact you deny this just tells me you dont know anything.
Equation: Gear, Mounts, Potions, Enchants, Runes, and Placement. Skill and Build. Communication. Seriously all of these factor add up. You act like you never played Dota 2, SC2, or LoL. Yet you call yourself a PvPer? Much less a PvEer?
This is not PvP game, never will be. Actually I would say there is no real PvP in NW.
There is no need to have any uber equip for current content. Any T1/T2 with mark 5 is enough. Save your time, play for fun.
This is not PvP game, never will be. Actually I would say there is no real PvP in NW.
There is no need to have any uber equip for current content. Any T1/T2 with mark 5 is enough. Save your time, play for fun.
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You do realize that there is no difference between PvE and PvP other than instead of a NPC you are against a player that has to follow the same combat mechanic system as you do? I fail to see what's so not PvE in PvP, if you understood what I mean.
You do realize that there is no difference between PvE and PvP other than instead of a NPC you are against a player that has to follow the same combat mechanic system as you do? I fail to see what's so not PvE in PvP, if you understood what I mean.
Well my understanding is they've spent a lot more of of their resources (time/manpower) on the PvE content of the game than they have the PvP content of the game. So most people tend to equate that with a game being more PvE-centric.
Well my understanding is they've spent a lot more of of their resources (time/manpower) on the PvE content of the game than they have the PvP content of the game. So most people tend to equate that with a game being more PvE-centric.
Also, +1: "How to win at NW: play for fun."
Since no one here is getting it, two post ago I listed all the things that effect PvP. Everything in PvE is the same as PvP. If anything that is used in PvE, which is true, then it affects PvP.
Look at it this way, There are certain sets in T1/T2 in both PvE and PvP gear that gives an unbalanced equation. On top of that you can use all the PvE buff potions and regeneration in PvP. 110% mounts takes you faster to a node and lesser chance to get dismounted, and helps you get away from a person quicker (noticeable in Rogues that stealth).
All PvP is "Tag the Flag" setting, meaning if you have a group that can delay or prevent the enemy from taging or retagging a node, means more points to you. Doesn't matter if you die on a node.
When that previous poster said there is no real PvP, was a joke. There "is" hard core PvP but it cost money, this is especially highly noticeable in Gauntlet Grim or GG, where mounts make a huge difference. On top of that there is Pre-daily queueing with your power ups, there is weapon enchants (Which has been nerfed or fixed for pvp stacking) makes a huge difference and armor enchants that provide immunity.
Not only that multiple Clerics stacking shields randomly, makes any fight pointless. Again another GG PvP example, 3 clerics can protect 20 plus players versus 20 players attacking their group. If the attacking group cannot find the clerics in that mass fight of a mess, they lose.
It doesn't matter if the attacking group has a cleric or the same amount of clerics, once the defending clerics have their spells off, they can repel and prevent any offense.
Since no one here is getting it, two post ago I listed all the things that effect PvP. Everything in PvE is the same as PvP. If anything that is used in PvE, which is true, then it affects PvP.
Ahh, I think I see the cause of the misunderstanding. Yes, I understand these aspects of the game affect both PvE and PvP.
When that previous poster said there is no real PvP, was a joke. There "is" hard core PvP but it cost money
I don't want to speak for him, but my interpretation of what he said was essentially "there is no true competitive PvP gameplay here; if you are looking for that, you should look elsewhere."
I don't want to speak for him, but my interpretation of what he said was essentially "there is no true competitive PvP gameplay here; if you are looking for that, you should look elsewhere."
And I am saying he is wrong, there are plenty of factors of buy to win, just alot of people dont want to see or admit. How I got off topic is beyond me as ... /counting have 9 different arguments happening at once that all reflect the same issue, zen shop and gear issues.
Game balance is horrible and not only that I dont like liars. I can't help it if Community Manager doesn't like the numbers I posted on how many foundry packs were sold, it was never about that, it was about the topic of the AD exploit and foundry packs have no effect of the inflation we have today.
Due the "Community Manager" denying about the true time line of the AD exploit or the latest duplication bug, is just him covering his butt, because already the game in a state of disarray. If you ever played a block game called "Jenga", that is exactly what is going on with Neverwinter. If the CM confirmed anything I said, would ruined not only this game, he'd or she'd would not get payed anymore. That's not my problem.
Not only that he denies about the whole "Force a player to Zen shop because its super.... convenient" ordeal because he saying there are ways to get the same stuff. Wards however the way they are obtained and the low drop rate, is not a viable argument since it would literally take years to get all the wards you need to make the perfect character; if you didnt spend a single dime.
Not only that, PW already introduced a new rune that offer 2 stats, so what we all spent alot of AD or Zen for maxing out the Runes with a single state, only to spend more for new set of runes?
Note: Which is exactly what "Rune of Magic" did with their rune system.
On top of that they are including new gear very soon, even if it was an upgrade or on par with T2 gear now, eventually they will have to "Force a player" to spends hundreds of thousands of AD to transfer enchants and runes to the new gear upgrades.
Yet the "CM" claims that the AD dailys only are enough to suffice the cost? Its a lie. What about the "delay" already people are complaining about the horrible drop rates for the specific gear they need from T1 and T2 dungeons, are you telling me that they are milking this game as long as they can forcing players to redo dungeons hundreds of times for the same gear?
Isn't that a cheap copy of "World of Warcraft" which everyone hates for gear farming? I'm sorry but I am losing people in my guild because they are getting bored farming the same dungeon over and over for the 40th time or more.
Also... I am talking about the hard dungeons not the simple ones. Like "Mad Dragon", "Frozen Heart" (For adds having a billions of HP & *the bugged troll respawn*), "Spell Plague", "Temple of the Spider", and "Castle Never".
So if things dont work out and leaves a bad negative mood, you really think people want to do that dungeon again helping out new recruit's in gearing while dealing with the horrible RNG?
No. The "CM" is just throwing around anything to throw off the issues at hand.
Well, there are a few points i think you got wrong:
* a vast majority of the ADs come from founder's packs. Exploits are a drop in the ocean in comparison. 2M ADs is huge. Cryptic keeps selling 2M ADs packs currently, so this artificial inflation isn't going to have an end.
* Gear score doesn't mean anything beyond 9k or so. There are hard caps you can't break. For my DC, crit chance is capped to 33%, you reach 30% with roughly 3k crit. Recovery is pointless beyond 3k, and power doesn't mean anything beyond 2.5-3k. Diminishing returns are huge. The issue with pugs not using set parts isn't the missing set parts, it's people not having the playing skills to complete the dungeon. If they aren't doing character optimization it means they don't care about it anyway. I'm quite sure people with 8k GS could win CN as long as they are competent.
The issue is cheap boss loots you can find for 3-5k on the AH, it makes people skipping T1 and not respecting the learning curve. Anyone should spend 10-15 playing days doing T1 to learn to play. This is a problem. Collecting set parts, not so much. Because of diminishing returns and caps, T2 sets are currently prestige stuff. And you can buy prestige for some RL copper coins in this game.
I remember back in the day playing nintendo RPG when getting a new sword raised your attack power by 2 instead of 1. In the new age MMO days they go from 5-7 straight to 50-60. And then 100-150. Then an expansion comes out... and they have to impress the players with big numbers. Suddenly everyone is hitting for tens of thousands of damage! Nobody can balance anything because the numbers are so high that when you balance this it breaks that. When you fix that, you invariably gimp these over here. When these over here realize they are weaker than this and that. Well... you get the idea. There is no such thing as balance anymore, because everyone is forced to understand and be involved with all these big numbers and stats and variables... that we lose sight of what is truly fun. Story. Fair and simple competition. Friendship. Imagination.
Sad, but true. I still cant honestly figure out what your points are since you have ranted about this, that, these over here, and them some... but your attitude is a product of the direction we, as an MMORPG crowd are headed, if not already there.
Entirely consumed by numbers and what they mean to our 'performance' rather than the performance itself or why we are performing what we are.
....and that is enough deep thoughts from myself *slips away*
Well, there are a few points i think you got wrong:
* a vast majority of the ADs come from founder's packs. Exploits are a drop in the ocean in comparison. 2M ADs is huge. Cryptic keeps selling 2M ADs packs currently, so this artificial inflation isn't going to have an end.
* Gear score doesn't mean anything beyond 9k or so. There are hard caps you can't break. For my DC, crit chance is capped to 33%, you reach 30% with roughly 3k crit. Recovery is pointless beyond 3k, and power doesn't mean anything beyond 2.5-3k. Diminishing returns are huge. The issue with pugs not using set parts isn't the missing set parts, it's people not having the playing skills to complete the dungeon. If they aren't doing character optimization it means they don't care about it anyway. I'm quite sure people with 8k GS could win CN as long as they are competent.
The issue is cheap boss loots you can find for 3-5k on the AH, it makes people skipping T1 and not respecting the learning curve. Anyone should spend 10-15 playing days doing T1 to learn to play. This is a problem. Collecting set parts, not so much.
A: You do realize the exploit is what made the inflation right? I cant post specifics or else I get banned for explaining too much detail of the steps. However it has nothing to do with foundry at all, it was just some exploit with the same coding that was found in another PW MMO that allowed a player to generate an infinite amount of currency. While its fixed now, the roll back didn't even fix the issue compare to how long it was around, regardless if the CM denies the time line or PW.
Edit: Rephrased Paragraph A.
B: I never once talked about gear score until someone brought it up which I said had nothing to do. No what I was talking about is people wanting T2 armor sets and castle never weapons because of the set bonus. Caps was never discussed here until you brought it up. Still not discussing that since it isnt the issue I brought up.
C: If you want complain about BoE epics, that have no set bonuses, or how easy it is to get PvP gear sets, cluttering Auction House; take that some where else. Its already been proven by other players and after I researched it, all that stuff is misleading *Junk*.
You can spam run T1 "The Cloak Tower" in PuGs and during Dungeon Delves in a mixture of Common/Rare armor (Green/Blue) or all Rare armor (Blue) excluding the pants and shirt and grab the T1 dungeon vender gear with tokens in 3 days tops. While in all, you are farming for (Depending on Class and Spec) T1 PvP or PvE *bonus sets* drops.
So yeah... of course all those BoE epics are clutter Auction House, its JUNK! Also there is a rumor that "Artificer" (Whatever its called) with weapon smithing coming out, is going to *break down* equipment for materials.
A: You do realize the exploit is what made the inflation right? I cant post what it did specific or else I get banned for explaining something that was fixed. However it has nothing to do with foundry at all, it was just some exploit with the same coding that was found in another PW MMO that allowed a player to generate an infinite amount of currency.
B: I never once talked about gear score until someone brought it up which I said had nothing to do. No what I was talking about is people wanting T2 armor sets and castle never weapons because of the set bonus. Caps was never discussed here until you brought it up. Still not discussing that since it isnt the issue I brought up.
C: If you want complain about BoE epics, that have no set bonuses, or how easy it is to get PvP gear sets, cluttering Auction House; take that some where else. Its already been proven by other players and after I researched it, all that stuff is misleading *Junk*.
You can spam run T1 "The Cloak Tower" in PuGs and during Dungeon Delves in a mixture of Common/Rare armor (Green/Blue) or all Rare armor (Blue) excluding the pants and shirt and grab the T1 dungeon vender gear with tokens in 3 days tops. While in all, you are farming for (Depending on Class and Spec) T1 PvP or PvE *bonus sets* drops.
So yeah... of course all those BoE epics are clutter Auction House, its JUNK! Also there is a rumor that "Artificer" (Whatever its called) with weapon smithing coming out, is going to *break down* equipment for materials.
I brought up caps because it's absolutely relevant, but you look too angry and frustrated at the devs/game to see my point. Most of the 4 pieces set will give you bonus stats. There are of course some exceptions but most sets give you more stats, and you shouldn't need that because of caps.
This is why i'm saying T2 is prestige gear. CN is the best example. I have a CN set and a miracle healer 4 pparts set on my DC, and guess what, i'm not a superhero. I've seen small buffs to my heals. The main difference is that now i know how to play my class and could use T2 boss drop HAMSTER and wouldn't notice any difference. Farming content makes better players, gear, not so much. Thus you shouldn't worry about your guildmates, unless they say they quit if they don't get prestige and more or less useless gear with bonus stats giving you ridiculously small buffs.
By the way, the AH exploit has been fixed, we got a rollback, and if you think it's hard to track a currency inflation in a database, I guess you've never seen a database in your life.
Well, there are a few points i think you got wrong:
* Gear score doesn't mean anything beyond 9k or so. There are hard caps you can't break. For my DC, crit chance is capped to 33%, you reach 30% with roughly 3k crit. Recovery is pointless beyond 3k, and power doesn't mean anything beyond 2.5-3k. Diminishing returns are huge. The issue with pugs not using set parts isn't the missing set parts, it's people not having the playing skills to complete the dungeon. If they aren't doing character optimization it means they don't care about it anyway. I'm quite sure people with 8k GS could win CN as long as they are competent.
was going to stay out of this but just wanted to touch on something, not taking sides here, i think part of the reason some folks are doing really poorly in the dungeons is because, as you are leveling up, what powers/feats do you take? you take what you think might be fun, but if you get to 60 and realize "oh that power really sucks and does nothing in dungeons/raids/pvp then you are stuck without paying for a respec (yes i know you can use AD to get the zen, etc-etc), but not everyone is keen on that. additionally (in my case atleast) finding a good spec right now with everything being quite new and also the mass change that happened is quite hard.
I brought up caps because it's absolutely relevant, but you look too angry and frustrated at the devs/game to see my point. Most of the 4 pieces set will give you bonus stats. There are of course some exceptions but most sets give you more stats, and you shouldn't need that because of caps.
This is why i'm saying T2 is prestige gear. CN is the best example. I have a CN set and a miracle healer 4 pparts set on my DC, and guess what, i'm not a superhero. I've seen small buffs to my heals. The main difference is that now i know how to play my class and could use T2 boss drop HAMSTER and wouldn't notice any difference. Farming content makes better players, gear, not so much.
By the way, the AH exploit has been fixed, we got a rollback, and if you think it's hard to track a currency inflation in a database, I guess you've never seen a database in your life.
Honestly you are arguing about the idea that, farming a T2 armor set is pointless, again it was never about the stats its how useful (Depending on the class) of the set bonuses which covers any field.
Congrats that you found that you dont need the gear, I am sure your guild mates, friends, or some random stranger in your future groups will be thrilled to take your gear or not having to fight over it. However that is "Your" choice, there are other people that want that gear for different reasons.
Sitting here trying to make it out like "you dont need that gear" poorly reflects your character. Oh and... good to know you have your CN gear already which me and others dont have.
Finally, yeah it is hard to track currency exploits because PW didn't find that exploit, someone out the public was the "whistle blower". Good thing you place your faith in PW alot.
was going to stay out of this but just wanted to touch on something, not taking sides here, i think part of the reason some folks are doing really poorly in the dungeons is because, as you are leveling up, what powers/feats do you take? you take what you think might be fun, but if you get to 60 and realize "oh that power really sucks and does nothing in dungeons/raids/pvp then you are stuck without paying for a respec (yes i know you can use AD to get the zen, etc-etc), but not everyone is keen on that. additionally (in my case atleast) finding a good spec right now with everything being quite new and also the mass change that happened is quite hard.
Actually this isn't even close to taking a side, this was an issue brought up about many people during Open Beta and Live of today. The reduction of the cost is still not enough and paying real money for a respec until you get it right is stupid. GW2 that is free to play has a reasonable respec cost that doesn't even take a couple hours to obtained in currency and offers in PvP queueing area, free re specs.
No what this game copies, is a typical Korean MMO that punishes you for messing up your spec and 9/10 your only option to avoid spending money or alot of money, is re-rolling.
I'm the only one tired of this "i dont have the best gear in the game so the game is unfair and will die fast"? that's all what he's saying since the first post: "there is people with ultra gear bought with real money or exploited and that does not allow me to enjoy the game, ergo game sux"
Sry dude, there will be always people with more money, more time to play, more skill or more access to cheats, its the reality, i am playing since the begining of open beta, have about 18-19 "real" days played (/played gives you the amount of time you did in game) that's a huge lot, and yet, there are guys who have twice that amount, i have full stalwart, full timeless, full knights captain set, all of those from grinding instances, i have 7s on each slot and just recently was able to get my CN weaponry which is not enhaced yet, so i need a good bunch of money to get a greater enchant, im saving ad for a greater (perfect is way out of my range), all of this while only expending money for keys, because i like to gamble, not because i needed that, i have 14k GS, and there is people who has way better gs, often PvPers by the "competitive nature" of those players, which sense of fun is "my E-peen is bigger than yours", but that doesnt make my game less enjoyable.
If you dont enjoy the game because you are not the top dog, dont play it, if you need a perfect equal gamefield to enjoy a game, play SPORTS or real competitive games, play Hold'em, play limited tournements of MTG, Play starcraft, there you have games where the only variable is skill, there is nothing else in the long run, no one can buy better equip, no one can cheat, no one can destroy your fun by playing more or expending more money... but if you play an MMO where people can expend money to speed things up and get better stuff SOONER, there will be always people with more money!
Ok, leaving the calling you out aside... we are already informed of what you think its wrong, can you please inspire us, poor mortals, of how do you would fix the problems? what kind of solutions are you willing to share and offer for the comunity (and probably the devs) to improve your gaming experience? can you add anything apart of "game sux and i will stop breathing till they fix it"?
Your post is the very example of everything that is wrong in video games. Also in many areas on your "wall of text of uselessness" nice job on twisting my words to suit your poor ideas.
Didn't I already state what the problem is with a clear explanation? Why am I also doing PW's job to fix it, even though the solution is already there on how to fix it?
So all what you say is : i will troll the forums because a game that is free to play does not satisfy me and instead of simply choosing a new game i will complain and complain and not offering a single idea on how to improve it...
And also, i agree, my post is the very example of "everything is wrong in videogames" because i did not said anything that can be considered wrong with the gaming industry and it turns out that is a 15 BILLION indusrty, nowadays 3 global entertainment industry after TV and Cinema, and closing the gap really really quickly with the cinema...
Turns out that videogames are not anymore a nerdy thing, everybody plays them, on smartphones, on tablets, on smart tvs, Consoles and PCs are now almost an outdated tecnology, just last friday i was in a conference on the "gamelab" (http://www.gamelab.es/2013/) about this pure issue, pc and console games will still be strong for maybe a decade, but the truth is we are going to a world where people will play games on every support, and videogames will be the first entertainment industry in the world, sooner or later... too much for "all the wrong in the videogames nowaday".
Less than 8,000 players purchased the 200$ bargain, with 45% of them are active.
Less than 54,000 players purchased the 60$ bargain, with 78% of them active.
Less than 128,000 players purchased the 20$ bargain, with 83% of them active.
How could you possibly know this? It seems like nothing more than pure speculation.
Are there actual source stats somewhere you just didn't link or something?
*edit*
nvm...confirmed later in other posts...it is 100% pure speculation.
I agree with you about the state of the game and how it is going downhill...but your "facts" are not actually facts at all with regards to the sales figures.
While some of your points counts for "New Gamers" that dont know quality over quantity, you have to be an idiot to try to fix a game for someone's company. Not only that, this isn't beta anymore its live. Whatever I say in complaints is no different from other people's thread that bothered to explained their solutions, over the same issues.
However yes, its free to play and everyone knows free to play are the worst games to bother, even when you dont want the truth and keep playing, it ends up being another fail MMO similar to a korean marketing that ends up killing the MMO.
I guess now you are going to tell me how Free to play are better versus a subscription base MMO.
How could you possibly know this? It seems like nothing more than pure speculation.
Are there actual source stats somewhere you just didn't link or something?
I have said this many many times there is a complex mathematical equation that I set up that is used to determine that value. It is based on the DnD community, DnD MMOs, MMOs in general, Polls, and Advertisment.
This isn't a 1+1= 2. There are over 34 equations used to determine those numbers, and I did say I rounded them up. So no there is no link. You are more than welcome to your own math if you want to research the community and DnD's game history, if not well...
That's why I clearly stated the CM didn't like my number post because he wanted an official statement from PW or some kind of Public Posting in Business. I am sure it may exist but long story short, I had my math equations the CM just wanted an easy way out of the situation.
I have said this many many times there is a complex mathematical equation that I set up that is used to determine that value. It is based on the DnD community, DnD MMOs, MMOs in general, Polls, and Advertisment.
This isn't a 1+1= 2. There are over 34 equations used to determine those numbers, and I did say I rounded them up. So no there is no link. You are more than welcome to your own math if you want to research the community and DnD's game history, if not well...
That's why I clearly stated the CM didn't like my number post because he wanted an official statement from PW or some kind of Public Posting in Business. I am sure it may exist but long story short, I had my math equations the CM just wanted an easy way out of the situation.
Really, you could just save yourself some time and say "I have no idea what I'm talking about".
Really, you could just save yourself some time and say "I have no idea what I'm talking about".
Why would I say that, when I "do" know what I am talking about?
Edit: Let me say this in this way, if Perfect World was like another other MMO, usually when someone post false numbers or some kind of misleading information, the company will quickly reply or ask a moderator to shut down the thread or bann the person.
While neither has happened over the course of these postings, doesn't mean they still cant shut me down. However since "some" of the sensitive topics, did turn out to be true, it would cause a lot of heads to turn if a particular fact was hushed up for no reason.
Yet, I dont care if I do get banned, I stated clearly what my experience is going threw right now which is, after reading other people's threads over the course of weeks, confirms the problems of this game as it is in its state now.
So if they want to bann me for saying these problems, fine, not like its going to ruin my life, and there is always "wild star" around the corner or "Teso". I will still love "DnD" just not this company's version of DnD that bought the rights and purposely damaged the "DnD" reputation.
2 cents worth, from a player.
I have not spent one penny to play this game. I have not 'exploited' nor played the AH. I have 3 Zen bought companions on 3 level 60's, have purchased additional char. slots, 110% mount, half a dozen keys and my 3 60's have 9.5-11k GS. Much of their gear I have actually looted, for instance my DC's full miracle healer set was looted not purchased through AH. Other items I have sold some things and bought off of others.
The trick is to dungeon delve and sell items on the AH then convert to zen or the gear you want. It's simple
I am retired so I am afforded more opportunity to play then most. However, I have 3 level 60's. Focusing on one is much easier.
I would argue that free to play is > subscription as if you don't like free to play you can just quit without spending any actual money. This was not the case when I played TSW, SWO or a few others which I cannot even recall playing.
Wow. Humanity hit an all time low when this thread was posted. Someone actually complaining that they have TO PLAY THE GAME. If you don't want to do dungeons runs for gear, then just pay to buy all the gear you want your toon to have and then quit. Or save yourself money and quit.
By the way, the future of neverwinter is the people who like the challenge that the action based combat provides. It's not just mindless button mashing but takes skill, patience and teamwork.
It's akin tot he same payoff people that play FPS's feel. There's no end game content or better gear to earn. You are just pitted against skilled enemies and enjoy the challenge.
But really? Complaining that you have to play the game?
*Legit Community*
Heather - Ranger
James - Paladin
Jet - Warlock
Royal - Cleric
Gray - Rogue
Red - Wizard
Ios - Barbarian
Wow. Humanity hit an all time low when this thread was posted. Someone actually complaining that they have TO PLAY THE GAME. If you don't want to do dungeons runs for gear, then just pay to buy all the gear you want your toon to have and then quit. Or save yourself money and quit.
By the way, the future of neverwinter is the people who like the challenge that the action based combat provides. It's not just mindless button mashing but takes skill, patience and teamwork.
It's akin tot he same payoff people that play FPS's feel. There's no end game content or better gear to earn. You are just pitted against skilled enemies and enjoy the challenge.
But really? Complaining that you have to play the game?
The other way around, give me a working game to play.
Why would I say that, when I "do" know what I am talking about?
Edit: Let me say this in this way, if Perfect World was like another other MMO, usually when someone post false numbers or some kind of misleading information, the company will quickly reply or ask a moderator to shut down the thread or bann the person.
While neither has happened over the course of these postings, doesn't mean they still cant shut me down. However since "some" of the sensitive topics, did turn out to be true, it would cause a lot of heads to turn if a particular fact was hushed up for no reason.
Yet, I dont care if I do get banned, I stated clearly what my experience is going threw right now which is, after reading other people's threads over the course of weeks, confirms the problems of this game as it is in its state now.
So if they want to bann me for saying these problems, fine, not like its going to ruin my life, and there is always "wild star" around the corner or "Teso". I will still love "DnD" just not this company's version of DnD that bought the rights and purposely damaged the "DnD" reputation.
Wow, talk about drama. You arnt some secret whistle blower in fear of their life. You wont get banned for posting made up numbers. Heck, you wont even get banned for talking bad about the company or this topic. You will, probably get moderated. At worst you might get posts deleted. But banned?
Heck there are trolls here who have been trolling for months now, who are still not banned. So, seriously, save the drama.
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Its complex math equation man. Its beyond the understanding of us mere mortals. And any hard data would only confirm facts have been extracted from a posterior location.
I agree with you that game is more about skill and not that much bout GS. But really you don't need anything higher than mark 5 and lesser ench. It's waste of the money and time for current content. Been there, done that.
For PvP, equip can make diff only if two equal pre-made guild groups fight each other, both on TS. Sorry, but random pug PvP is just for laugh and you can't honestly make any argument based on that. In PvP skill and communication is #1, always will be.
Any gear with set bonuses for particular classes either in T1/T2 with PvE or PvP sets, make a huge difference. The fact you deny this just tells me you dont know anything.
Equation: Gear, Mounts, Potions, Enchants, Runes, and Placement. Skill and Build. Communication. Seriously all of these factor add up. You act like you never played Dota 2, SC2, or LoL. Yet you call yourself a PvPer? Much less a PvEer?
This is not PvP game, never will be. Actually I would say there is no real PvP in NW.
There is no need to have any uber equip for current content. Any T1/T2 with mark 5 is enough. Save your time, play for fun.
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You do realize that there is no difference between PvE and PvP other than instead of a NPC you are against a player that has to follow the same combat mechanic system as you do? I fail to see what's so not PvE in PvP, if you understood what I mean.
Well my understanding is they've spent a lot more of of their resources (time/manpower) on the PvE content of the game than they have the PvP content of the game. So most people tend to equate that with a game being more PvE-centric.
Also, +1: "How to win at NW: play for fun."
Since no one here is getting it, two post ago I listed all the things that effect PvP. Everything in PvE is the same as PvP. If anything that is used in PvE, which is true, then it affects PvP.
Look at it this way, There are certain sets in T1/T2 in both PvE and PvP gear that gives an unbalanced equation. On top of that you can use all the PvE buff potions and regeneration in PvP. 110% mounts takes you faster to a node and lesser chance to get dismounted, and helps you get away from a person quicker (noticeable in Rogues that stealth).
All PvP is "Tag the Flag" setting, meaning if you have a group that can delay or prevent the enemy from taging or retagging a node, means more points to you. Doesn't matter if you die on a node.
When that previous poster said there is no real PvP, was a joke. There "is" hard core PvP but it cost money, this is especially highly noticeable in Gauntlet Grim or GG, where mounts make a huge difference. On top of that there is Pre-daily queueing with your power ups, there is weapon enchants (Which has been nerfed or fixed for pvp stacking) makes a huge difference and armor enchants that provide immunity.
Not only that multiple Clerics stacking shields randomly, makes any fight pointless. Again another GG PvP example, 3 clerics can protect 20 plus players versus 20 players attacking their group. If the attacking group cannot find the clerics in that mass fight of a mess, they lose.
It doesn't matter if the attacking group has a cleric or the same amount of clerics, once the defending clerics have their spells off, they can repel and prevent any offense.
Ahh, I think I see the cause of the misunderstanding. Yes, I understand these aspects of the game affect both PvE and PvP.
I don't want to speak for him, but my interpretation of what he said was essentially "there is no true competitive PvP gameplay here; if you are looking for that, you should look elsewhere."
And I am saying he is wrong, there are plenty of factors of buy to win, just alot of people dont want to see or admit. How I got off topic is beyond me as ... /counting have 9 different arguments happening at once that all reflect the same issue, zen shop and gear issues.
Game balance is horrible and not only that I dont like liars. I can't help it if Community Manager doesn't like the numbers I posted on how many foundry packs were sold, it was never about that, it was about the topic of the AD exploit and foundry packs have no effect of the inflation we have today.
Due the "Community Manager" denying about the true time line of the AD exploit or the latest duplication bug, is just him covering his butt, because already the game in a state of disarray. If you ever played a block game called "Jenga", that is exactly what is going on with Neverwinter. If the CM confirmed anything I said, would ruined not only this game, he'd or she'd would not get payed anymore. That's not my problem.
Not only that he denies about the whole "Force a player to Zen shop because its super.... convenient" ordeal because he saying there are ways to get the same stuff. Wards however the way they are obtained and the low drop rate, is not a viable argument since it would literally take years to get all the wards you need to make the perfect character; if you didnt spend a single dime.
Not only that, PW already introduced a new rune that offer 2 stats, so what we all spent alot of AD or Zen for maxing out the Runes with a single state, only to spend more for new set of runes?
Note: Which is exactly what "Rune of Magic" did with their rune system.
On top of that they are including new gear very soon, even if it was an upgrade or on par with T2 gear now, eventually they will have to "Force a player" to spends hundreds of thousands of AD to transfer enchants and runes to the new gear upgrades.
Yet the "CM" claims that the AD dailys only are enough to suffice the cost? Its a lie. What about the "delay" already people are complaining about the horrible drop rates for the specific gear they need from T1 and T2 dungeons, are you telling me that they are milking this game as long as they can forcing players to redo dungeons hundreds of times for the same gear?
Isn't that a cheap copy of "World of Warcraft" which everyone hates for gear farming? I'm sorry but I am losing people in my guild because they are getting bored farming the same dungeon over and over for the 40th time or more.
Also... I am talking about the hard dungeons not the simple ones. Like "Mad Dragon", "Frozen Heart" (For adds having a billions of HP & *the bugged troll respawn*), "Spell Plague", "Temple of the Spider", and "Castle Never".
So if things dont work out and leaves a bad negative mood, you really think people want to do that dungeon again helping out new recruit's in gearing while dealing with the horrible RNG?
No. The "CM" is just throwing around anything to throw off the issues at hand.
* a vast majority of the ADs come from founder's packs. Exploits are a drop in the ocean in comparison. 2M ADs is huge. Cryptic keeps selling 2M ADs packs currently, so this artificial inflation isn't going to have an end.
* Gear score doesn't mean anything beyond 9k or so. There are hard caps you can't break. For my DC, crit chance is capped to 33%, you reach 30% with roughly 3k crit. Recovery is pointless beyond 3k, and power doesn't mean anything beyond 2.5-3k. Diminishing returns are huge. The issue with pugs not using set parts isn't the missing set parts, it's people not having the playing skills to complete the dungeon. If they aren't doing character optimization it means they don't care about it anyway. I'm quite sure people with 8k GS could win CN as long as they are competent.
The issue is cheap boss loots you can find for 3-5k on the AH, it makes people skipping T1 and not respecting the learning curve. Anyone should spend 10-15 playing days doing T1 to learn to play. This is a problem. Collecting set parts, not so much. Because of diminishing returns and caps, T2 sets are currently prestige stuff. And you can buy prestige for some RL copper coins in this game.
Sad, but true. I still cant honestly figure out what your points are since you have ranted about this, that, these over here, and them some... but your attitude is a product of the direction we, as an MMORPG crowd are headed, if not already there.
Entirely consumed by numbers and what they mean to our 'performance' rather than the performance itself or why we are performing what we are.
....and that is enough deep thoughts from myself *slips away*
A: You do realize the exploit is what made the inflation right? I cant post specifics or else I get banned for explaining too much detail of the steps. However it has nothing to do with foundry at all, it was just some exploit with the same coding that was found in another PW MMO that allowed a player to generate an infinite amount of currency. While its fixed now, the roll back didn't even fix the issue compare to how long it was around, regardless if the CM denies the time line or PW.
Edit: Rephrased Paragraph A.
B: I never once talked about gear score until someone brought it up which I said had nothing to do. No what I was talking about is people wanting T2 armor sets and castle never weapons because of the set bonus. Caps was never discussed here until you brought it up. Still not discussing that since it isnt the issue I brought up.
C: If you want complain about BoE epics, that have no set bonuses, or how easy it is to get PvP gear sets, cluttering Auction House; take that some where else. Its already been proven by other players and after I researched it, all that stuff is misleading *Junk*.
You can spam run T1 "The Cloak Tower" in PuGs and during Dungeon Delves in a mixture of Common/Rare armor (Green/Blue) or all Rare armor (Blue) excluding the pants and shirt and grab the T1 dungeon vender gear with tokens in 3 days tops. While in all, you are farming for (Depending on Class and Spec) T1 PvP or PvE *bonus sets* drops.
So yeah... of course all those BoE epics are clutter Auction House, its JUNK! Also there is a rumor that "Artificer" (Whatever its called) with weapon smithing coming out, is going to *break down* equipment for materials.
I brought up caps because it's absolutely relevant, but you look too angry and frustrated at the devs/game to see my point. Most of the 4 pieces set will give you bonus stats. There are of course some exceptions but most sets give you more stats, and you shouldn't need that because of caps.
This is why i'm saying T2 is prestige gear. CN is the best example. I have a CN set and a miracle healer 4 pparts set on my DC, and guess what, i'm not a superhero. I've seen small buffs to my heals. The main difference is that now i know how to play my class and could use T2 boss drop HAMSTER and wouldn't notice any difference. Farming content makes better players, gear, not so much. Thus you shouldn't worry about your guildmates, unless they say they quit if they don't get prestige and more or less useless gear with bonus stats giving you ridiculously small buffs.
By the way, the AH exploit has been fixed, we got a rollback, and if you think it's hard to track a currency inflation in a database, I guess you've never seen a database in your life.
was going to stay out of this but just wanted to touch on something, not taking sides here, i think part of the reason some folks are doing really poorly in the dungeons is because, as you are leveling up, what powers/feats do you take? you take what you think might be fun, but if you get to 60 and realize "oh that power really sucks and does nothing in dungeons/raids/pvp then you are stuck without paying for a respec (yes i know you can use AD to get the zen, etc-etc), but not everyone is keen on that. additionally (in my case atleast) finding a good spec right now with everything being quite new and also the mass change that happened is quite hard.
Honestly you are arguing about the idea that, farming a T2 armor set is pointless, again it was never about the stats its how useful (Depending on the class) of the set bonuses which covers any field.
Congrats that you found that you dont need the gear, I am sure your guild mates, friends, or some random stranger in your future groups will be thrilled to take your gear or not having to fight over it. However that is "Your" choice, there are other people that want that gear for different reasons.
Sitting here trying to make it out like "you dont need that gear" poorly reflects your character. Oh and... good to know you have your CN gear already which me and others dont have.
Finally, yeah it is hard to track currency exploits because PW didn't find that exploit, someone out the public was the "whistle blower". Good thing you place your faith in PW alot.
Actually this isn't even close to taking a side, this was an issue brought up about many people during Open Beta and Live of today. The reduction of the cost is still not enough and paying real money for a respec until you get it right is stupid. GW2 that is free to play has a reasonable respec cost that doesn't even take a couple hours to obtained in currency and offers in PvP queueing area, free re specs.
No what this game copies, is a typical Korean MMO that punishes you for messing up your spec and 9/10 your only option to avoid spending money or alot of money, is re-rolling.
Sry dude, there will be always people with more money, more time to play, more skill or more access to cheats, its the reality, i am playing since the begining of open beta, have about 18-19 "real" days played (/played gives you the amount of time you did in game) that's a huge lot, and yet, there are guys who have twice that amount, i have full stalwart, full timeless, full knights captain set, all of those from grinding instances, i have 7s on each slot and just recently was able to get my CN weaponry which is not enhaced yet, so i need a good bunch of money to get a greater enchant, im saving ad for a greater (perfect is way out of my range), all of this while only expending money for keys, because i like to gamble, not because i needed that, i have 14k GS, and there is people who has way better gs, often PvPers by the "competitive nature" of those players, which sense of fun is "my E-peen is bigger than yours", but that doesnt make my game less enjoyable.
If you dont enjoy the game because you are not the top dog, dont play it, if you need a perfect equal gamefield to enjoy a game, play SPORTS or real competitive games, play Hold'em, play limited tournements of MTG, Play starcraft, there you have games where the only variable is skill, there is nothing else in the long run, no one can buy better equip, no one can cheat, no one can destroy your fun by playing more or expending more money... but if you play an MMO where people can expend money to speed things up and get better stuff SOONER, there will be always people with more money!
Ok, leaving the calling you out aside... we are already informed of what you think its wrong, can you please inspire us, poor mortals, of how do you would fix the problems? what kind of solutions are you willing to share and offer for the comunity (and probably the devs) to improve your gaming experience? can you add anything apart of "game sux and i will stop breathing till they fix it"?
Your post is the very example of everything that is wrong in video games. Also in many areas on your "wall of text of uselessness" nice job on twisting my words to suit your poor ideas.
Didn't I already state what the problem is with a clear explanation? Why am I also doing PW's job to fix it, even though the solution is already there on how to fix it?
Do I get paid for this? That's what I thought.
And also, i agree, my post is the very example of "everything is wrong in videogames" because i did not said anything that can be considered wrong with the gaming industry and it turns out that is a 15 BILLION indusrty, nowadays 3 global entertainment industry after TV and Cinema, and closing the gap really really quickly with the cinema...
Turns out that videogames are not anymore a nerdy thing, everybody plays them, on smartphones, on tablets, on smart tvs, Consoles and PCs are now almost an outdated tecnology, just last friday i was in a conference on the "gamelab" (http://www.gamelab.es/2013/) about this pure issue, pc and console games will still be strong for maybe a decade, but the truth is we are going to a world where people will play games on every support, and videogames will be the first entertainment industry in the world, sooner or later... too much for "all the wrong in the videogames nowaday".
Are there actual source stats somewhere you just didn't link or something?
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nvm...confirmed later in other posts...it is 100% pure speculation.
I agree with you about the state of the game and how it is going downhill...but your "facts" are not actually facts at all with regards to the sales figures.
While some of your points counts for "New Gamers" that dont know quality over quantity, you have to be an idiot to try to fix a game for someone's company. Not only that, this isn't beta anymore its live. Whatever I say in complaints is no different from other people's thread that bothered to explained their solutions, over the same issues.
However yes, its free to play and everyone knows free to play are the worst games to bother, even when you dont want the truth and keep playing, it ends up being another fail MMO similar to a korean marketing that ends up killing the MMO.
I guess now you are going to tell me how Free to play are better versus a subscription base MMO.
I have said this many many times there is a complex mathematical equation that I set up that is used to determine that value. It is based on the DnD community, DnD MMOs, MMOs in general, Polls, and Advertisment.
This isn't a 1+1= 2. There are over 34 equations used to determine those numbers, and I did say I rounded them up. So no there is no link. You are more than welcome to your own math if you want to research the community and DnD's game history, if not well...
That's why I clearly stated the CM didn't like my number post because he wanted an official statement from PW or some kind of Public Posting in Business. I am sure it may exist but long story short, I had my math equations the CM just wanted an easy way out of the situation.
Really, you could just save yourself some time and say "I have no idea what I'm talking about".
Why would I say that, when I "do" know what I am talking about?
Edit: Let me say this in this way, if Perfect World was like another other MMO, usually when someone post false numbers or some kind of misleading information, the company will quickly reply or ask a moderator to shut down the thread or bann the person.
While neither has happened over the course of these postings, doesn't mean they still cant shut me down. However since "some" of the sensitive topics, did turn out to be true, it would cause a lot of heads to turn if a particular fact was hushed up for no reason.
Yet, I dont care if I do get banned, I stated clearly what my experience is going threw right now which is, after reading other people's threads over the course of weeks, confirms the problems of this game as it is in its state now.
So if they want to bann me for saying these problems, fine, not like its going to ruin my life, and there is always "wild star" around the corner or "Teso". I will still love "DnD" just not this company's version of DnD that bought the rights and purposely damaged the "DnD" reputation.
Then prove it.
Because until you do, you come across as just making things up to try and support your story.
I have not spent one penny to play this game. I have not 'exploited' nor played the AH. I have 3 Zen bought companions on 3 level 60's, have purchased additional char. slots, 110% mount, half a dozen keys and my 3 60's have 9.5-11k GS. Much of their gear I have actually looted, for instance my DC's full miracle healer set was looted not purchased through AH. Other items I have sold some things and bought off of others.
The trick is to dungeon delve and sell items on the AH then convert to zen or the gear you want. It's simple
I am retired so I am afforded more opportunity to play then most. However, I have 3 level 60's. Focusing on one is much easier.
I would argue that free to play is > subscription as if you don't like free to play you can just quit without spending any actual money. This was not the case when I played TSW, SWO or a few others which I cannot even recall playing.
By the way, the future of neverwinter is the people who like the challenge that the action based combat provides. It's not just mindless button mashing but takes skill, patience and teamwork.
It's akin tot he same payoff people that play FPS's feel. There's no end game content or better gear to earn. You are just pitted against skilled enemies and enjoy the challenge.
But really? Complaining that you have to play the game?
Heather - Ranger
James - Paladin
Jet - Warlock
Royal - Cleric
Gray - Rogue
Red - Wizard
Ios - Barbarian
The other way around, give me a working game to play.
Wow, talk about drama. You arnt some secret whistle blower in fear of their life. You wont get banned for posting made up numbers. Heck, you wont even get banned for talking bad about the company or this topic. You will, probably get moderated. At worst you might get posts deleted. But banned?
Heck there are trolls here who have been trolling for months now, who are still not banned. So, seriously, save the drama.