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deephorizon111
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So while I made another thread 3 weeks ago about how boring it is to play this game, that thread still stands today.
In this thread is a complaint about the bad RNG. I am sure most of the community who has played World of Warcraft, cringed at the fact about how dull and boring raiding is, when killing a boss a thousands times for a specific item to drop.
Well low and behold, we are here in that very same issue of today. While I have played Neverwinter since open beta to live, the amount of T1 dungeons and T2 dungeons I have ran successfully have always dropped a piece of gear, you don't want. This is also including Dungeon Delves.
I have ran pugs and guild runs for over 5 weeks now or more and people are getting bored of this game and leaving the guild or the game because a piece of gear they want, doesn't drop or groups form at odd hours. While some people will argue the idea that there are Level 60 "Epic" gear on the Auction House, agreeing with a few people on these forums and our guild's forums, we found out that the gear that takes up gear slots that other gear fill up that provides set bonuses, are HAMSTER.
While the illusion of those bonus-less gear sets are higher in stats, does not make up for the loss of the set bonuses. Which is a problem because the majority of the community are using most of these items and thinking they can do Castlenever, making PuGs a Hellish time.
While I liked the idea that GG offered an alternated way to gear up to get people more exposed to T2s, the gear offered is really not even that good to begin with and not even close on par to gear offered in T2. Yes, I know that there is a chance that one of those T2 piece gear sets can drop in GG dungeons, its still a extremely low chance to begin with, with an already Hellish RNG from T2s anyways.
Long story short, GG is not helping the problem but adding to for the people to catch up.
Now I have been trying to gear up 25 people in my guild for the past 5 weeks, give or take of new recruits to fill in the people that quite NW.
However this has been very taxing and very stressful for me and my guild as we are all trying to get a specific pieces of gear sets to upgrade our characters from T1 to T2 or T2 to Castle Never.
I also don't like the other alternative way of spending money to convert Zen into AD, just because the convenience is there to purchase T1 gear sets (250,000 AD - 350,000 AD) T2 gear sets (375,000 AD - 585,000 AD) Castle Never weapons (800,000 AD - 2,000,000 AD)
While prices vary server to server, on *Dragon* these are the prices on average. Due to the AD exploit that inflated most of the prices on Auction House, I find the AH out of balance to the point that its a broken source to get items from since then and unhealthy for the communities.
The prices to respec are still bad since the only source of income is Dailys, Leadership, or Auction House. Dailys AD reward is too low. Not everyone began with "Leadership" since me and most other players that came to NW didn't know. Unless you are lucky on Auction House and made a huge profit during the confusion on prices during the exploit or Ripped people off on the true profit of a certain item; players that were unaware or just joining Neverwinter, are not going to make it or bother playing this game further.
With an already bad RNG, the people of the forums will not see but PW will, I have sold countless sets of items I don't need in the vender for level 60 epics, on top of that given some away since there is no profit to be gained on Auction House.
And I got to ask... what is the future of NW? Is seems that every corner I turn too that leads to an issue makes the "Zen" shop a holy grail. Is this the kind of MMO PW wants to be? A buy to play?
I don't know but I am getting tired of this game as this is another "Korean Based" MMO that seems to like Life-grinding mechanics which leads to the fact of making a Job to a life commitment. I really would like to see issues addressed before we start spilling content out of new races, classes, or zones. There are still too many broken issues that needs to be addressed before we go forward.
In this thread is a complaint about the bad RNG. I am sure most of the community who has played World of Warcraft, cringed at the fact about how dull and boring raiding is, when killing a boss a thousands times for a specific item to drop.
Well low and behold, we are here in that very same issue of today. While I have played Neverwinter since open beta to live, the amount of T1 dungeons and T2 dungeons I have ran successfully have always dropped a piece of gear, you don't want. This is also including Dungeon Delves.
I have ran pugs and guild runs for over 5 weeks now or more and people are getting bored of this game and leaving the guild or the game because a piece of gear they want, doesn't drop or groups form at odd hours. While some people will argue the idea that there are Level 60 "Epic" gear on the Auction House, agreeing with a few people on these forums and our guild's forums, we found out that the gear that takes up gear slots that other gear fill up that provides set bonuses, are HAMSTER.
While the illusion of those bonus-less gear sets are higher in stats, does not make up for the loss of the set bonuses. Which is a problem because the majority of the community are using most of these items and thinking they can do Castlenever, making PuGs a Hellish time.
While I liked the idea that GG offered an alternated way to gear up to get people more exposed to T2s, the gear offered is really not even that good to begin with and not even close on par to gear offered in T2. Yes, I know that there is a chance that one of those T2 piece gear sets can drop in GG dungeons, its still a extremely low chance to begin with, with an already Hellish RNG from T2s anyways.
Long story short, GG is not helping the problem but adding to for the people to catch up.
Now I have been trying to gear up 25 people in my guild for the past 5 weeks, give or take of new recruits to fill in the people that quite NW.
However this has been very taxing and very stressful for me and my guild as we are all trying to get a specific pieces of gear sets to upgrade our characters from T1 to T2 or T2 to Castle Never.
I also don't like the other alternative way of spending money to convert Zen into AD, just because the convenience is there to purchase T1 gear sets (250,000 AD - 350,000 AD) T2 gear sets (375,000 AD - 585,000 AD) Castle Never weapons (800,000 AD - 2,000,000 AD)
While prices vary server to server, on *Dragon* these are the prices on average. Due to the AD exploit that inflated most of the prices on Auction House, I find the AH out of balance to the point that its a broken source to get items from since then and unhealthy for the communities.
The prices to respec are still bad since the only source of income is Dailys, Leadership, or Auction House. Dailys AD reward is too low. Not everyone began with "Leadership" since me and most other players that came to NW didn't know. Unless you are lucky on Auction House and made a huge profit during the confusion on prices during the exploit or Ripped people off on the true profit of a certain item; players that were unaware or just joining Neverwinter, are not going to make it or bother playing this game further.
With an already bad RNG, the people of the forums will not see but PW will, I have sold countless sets of items I don't need in the vender for level 60 epics, on top of that given some away since there is no profit to be gained on Auction House.
And I got to ask... what is the future of NW? Is seems that every corner I turn too that leads to an issue makes the "Zen" shop a holy grail. Is this the kind of MMO PW wants to be? A buy to play?
I don't know but I am getting tired of this game as this is another "Korean Based" MMO that seems to like Life-grinding mechanics which leads to the fact of making a Job to a life commitment. I really would like to see issues addressed before we start spilling content out of new races, classes, or zones. There are still too many broken issues that needs to be addressed before we go forward.
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Cash Shops are always and have always been, until this MMO, been there to be Cosmetics never to be a part with main game play.
Again keeping track of all my guildies, some people don't like the fact of logging on every day to get a extremely low chance of a "Ward" for Weapon or Armor enchants.
Having those enchants makes a huge advantage on game play when doing PvP or PvE.
Or how bout the idea that unless you know how to manipulate the auction house to make a huge profit to convert to AD into Zen, that certain profession items required, only come from Zen shop?
Not to mention that the new content coming out, a Dev replied that to get the best items, you have to be maxed out on trade skills and have the required items?
What about the mounts, since GG went live? It makes a huge difference, now that the new PvP zone is insanely large, the people that have the 110% mounts, wins the game in a zerg rush? Which of course if those people have spent real money on those mounts, you can 100% guaranteed that those very same players spent money on the "Wards" for top enchants and runes causing unbalanced game play.
I can understand if this was a "Card Game" but this isn't. It seems to me "Perfect World" wants this game to fail because its not set up to be in competition with other MMOs that are far more understandable, like Guild Wars 2 for Gearing, and "Wild Star" coming soon.
Edit: Also wanted to add, since most people around the world agreed that since PW started charging for real money during "open beta" and no character wipes, that the game was proclaimed being live then. So now that PW claimed to be live on June 20th, if the game does go down hill, any investment that was made, given by the public, is a loss because since it hasn't been live, in PW's opinion, people cant argue the idea of the investment given during Open beta.
So while the Public can will view this as theft of money, PW seems to have the "Get out of Jail Free Card". Which in terms, sets a bad example of what an MMO is.
For the record:
Less than 8,000 players purchased the 200$ bargain, with 45% of them are active.
Less than 54,000 players purchased the 60$ bargain, with 78% of them active.
Less than 128,000 players purchased the 20$ bargain, with 83% of them active.
Divide that with 3 servers, that's not even remotely enough AD to cause inflation.
The AD exploit was active during closed beta #3. If you understood what the exploit did and how it caused the inflation we have today, you would realize that foundry packs, are not even close to cause a dent into the situation.
Please cite sources before giving such figures.
And for the whole "buy zen" crowd...it's honestly easy to not spend a a cent to equip your character with Tier 2 drops by farming daily Astral Diamonds. The only thing which is hard at this point in time is acquiring enough enchantments (both the enhancements and the runes).
The whole "they are forcing players to buy zen" argument just doesn't add up past the theory. I have never purchased AD and have my character fully equipped short of enchantments.
Lol Whut? Let me guess WoW is the only MMO you have ever played?
Remember also that new Zen can only come from people putting new real-world money into the game. You can trade your AD for Zen, but that requires a buyer....and the Zen you are trading for didn't just magically appear, someone (somewhere down the line) had to pay real-world money for it and specifically transfer it to NW.
The supply of Zen is limited to its source, which is fresh new money coming into the game. (Plenty of Zen sinks you already know I'm sure.)
All the Astral Diamonds in the game has to have been earned by somebody somewhere...
And all the Zen had to be purchased by somebody somewhere.
By purchasing Zen to buy Astral Diamonds you are simply saving yourself time. Somebody else who decided to sell their Astral Diamonds wanted Zen to buy something they wanted. The AD just wasn't as important to them as the Zen.
Astral Diamonds aren't purchased from the company (which would be pay to win) but are purchased from other players. In truth it is no different than those who are buying gold with Enchanted Keys.
One mans downhill is another mans uphill. We should be more respectful of other cultures and the directionally challenged. 1.4billion people around the world are afflicted with AD. Do you only show your true colors by hurting those that you love?
A: The sources are based on the History of DDO of every Collector's edition they offered among the other packages, plus the activity, plus the fandom total, plus the responses of polls of advertisements of what are people's reaction to this game, plus the average base of the community there is given to free to play, plus the gold farmers, plus the multiple accounts, and on... on...
Its a very complex equation that I formed over the course of MMOs to state the "health" of an MMO that comes out. I am surprised "You" of all people, would respond to that, which only confirms what I already believe. However, while not exact I tend to round up, rarely am I wrong.
B: Also if you read my thread correctly, you would realize the auction house is mess and providing an argument "you" as a community manager are able to do T2 successfully and not a spend a dime versus the thousands of other threads of players by the hundreds complaining that things are not working out for them, does not bods you well and a pure embarrassment on your part.
There are plenty of threads of well thought out arguments about the problems with Auction House, RNG loot drops, and PuGing.
You really thought, oh I dont need to spend a dime because once a week, I get less than a 1% chance of getting a ward to make a successful enchant to put on my weapon or armor? Sure, I can increase those chances of going against the odds by making multiple accounts that offer 2 slots per account to "Pray" every day. However, its still below 1% chance to ever even seeing one.
What about the *Cost* of removing those "Hard to get/earned" enchants or runes to the next best in slot gear? Hmm? You telling me that AD Dailys alone can handle that? AD dailys offer nothing in comparison to lent in a pocket.
What about the fact that to even bother making better quality items, you have to purchase Zen profession packets to get the "tools" that provides those items, once you upgrade them to epic? You going to sit there and tell me you got good gear? Right after a public dev post that to get the best in slot items you *Have* to have maxed out trade skills to even get a chance.
You're telling me "that's not forcing players to buy zen"? I mean its either that or never have the best gear.
I have no idea where you are going at with this but as a "Community Manager" you clearly don't understand the problems in this game nor your community and quite frankly an embarrassment.
Cryptic selling Astral Diamonds in the future will be a rare occurrence at best. Ask the STO Players.
However if you mean "duping" such as Caturday, that was all rolled back and the bulk of the added astral diamonds was removed by the rollback however and of course the players who exploited that glitch were banned so basically all of the ill-earned Astral Diamonds had been removed from the game.
And I only say basically all because it is hard to say with certainty that all of it was removed but any surviving amount is small.
Exploiters aren't very bright people. If they or had mules didn't get hit by the ban after exploiting the caturday exploit they would have been on some other website teehee'ing about it. The fact that nobody did is a sign of how much of that ill-earned loot was removed.
So, really, nope...no AD was duped. The AD that did get "duped" is gone.
This is a lie, there were plenty of players sending reports that the AD exploit was around during "Closed Beta #3" and wasn't addressed until someone "tipped" off Perfect World.
Why in the world are you covering this up now?
Edit: Not even 2 weeks ago, PW was covering up of a new bug that was "duplicating items". You going to deny that too?
It's disconcerting.
Let's just end that with nobody knows anything about how many sales there are. It'd be interesting to know but the closest thing we got was an interview where Andy Valsquez stated they had 20K players on at once during one of the Closed Betas.
B - Me being a community moderator has nothing to do with my ability in game. In fact I do Tier 2 but most of my Astral Diamonds actually comes from just getting 20K AD or so per day from farming daily rewards and such.
As for the whole luck of the Coalescent Ward. Again this falls under the same argument, you can get one once per week if you are lucky, I've gotten two in four weeks, or you can get one per week from getting 20K Astral Diamonds or so and buying one from the shop.
It's slow going but it's not hard. Nothing any player should feel compelled to buy and if you do it's purely at your own convenience.
Tickledpinks, we're allowed to have our own opinions. We aren't simply forum police.
I have no problem calling out the things I don't like. They really don't care if we do. So as such, when I am defending the actions it's because I myself, as a player, disagree with you.
I would argue that exploiters who get caught are not very bright. It's understood that many were doing this under the radar for some time before it was made more widely known and some of the "not very bright" exploiters let the cat out of the bag by doing or saying not very bright things.
It seems to me that exploiters who work out relatively complicated exploits of game mechanics or glitches are actually fairly clever. Not that I'm glamorizing exploiters by any means - ban away!
The lie was that players knew about the exploit. Those statements only came up on the forums after the exploit was discovered (on Caturday)
There were no reports prior to the Caturday incident. Again it follows the same logic, exploiters aren't bright and love to share their exploits. If it existed beforehand it would have been all over the place. It seems most of the exploits were removed as I have had to remove few threads recently which discuss exploits but I promise you I removed plenty basically daily at that point in time and not one of them was discussing the AH Exploit.
Find me some evidence that the bug was reported previously and I'll back you up. Until then understand that was a nothing more than a claim without any evidence to back it up. It's easy to claim you knew about the exploit after it occurs but that doesn't make it true.
A: Your argument is invalid, again you didn't read it correctly. The numbers are based on the fans of the "DnD" community as whole, DDO provided some accurate information of the course of time on what was sold. So again with complex math equation, you take the population of what you know is a active "DnD" community of DDO and other "DnD" fan sites, and with the uses of the polls of interests; its not even remotely hard to guess how many foundry packs you sold.
So your argument about "nobody knows" how many packs were sold, is pure fail. Any "DnD" fan who kept an eye on the population of the community whole, would know.
B: Yes it does, your sitting here boasting how things are working out for you, you think that if posting things are working out for you, people are going to believe that the "state of the game" is all well and good? There is alot more too it than just being a community manager, every single word or comment you make, reflects the game and everyone in it as whole.
By saying you have the T2 gear you need, knowing full well people are complaining how bad the groups, the RNG loot drop, and the pugs are; you are flying high into the sky and have everything you want. That there is what makes you look bad!
Also if you wanted to get to get a perfect geared toon, its takes 80 wards total. This does not include your alts or your companion pets.
Also again, if you were familiar with the rune system, its no different from "Rune of Magic" and with Weapon and Armor Enchants being 1% success from the start, tell me... honestly how many enchants you will need to farm total and how many wards?
If you were being honest, you would flat out agree getting 2 wards within your 4 weeks, is flat out nothing, compare to the real farming.
Still can't provide a link, huh?
There were no reports huh? Wow... man that is going to bite you in the butt hard. I can now image all the people who did report that AD exploit, now feel betrayed due to that statement. Congratulations.
Let me tell you secret and save your time. Mark 5 ench and lesser weap/armor are pretty much enough for any current content and GS score lil bit over 10k is enuf for any current T2 dungeon, including CN and GG.
Compare to all the players that dominate PvP and GG with Rank 8 or higher runes or Greater or higher enchants, the game is a mess and out of balance as is.
Your secret statement is not even viable. Also GS doesn't mean squat. The correct build and skilled player is greater than gear score. All what gear score does is causes players to jump in castle never and/or (Random T2) and gives everyone a head ache.
Also not every one has an enchantment on their weapon or armor in pugs and even random people in Protector's enclave. In PvP yes but for PvE, no. Don't make a statement that every one has an enchantment, might be easy to farm a "shard" for a particular enchantment, doesn't mean they are enchanted.