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Putting an end to AD selling and botting

wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
You can put an end to most all of the bots and AD selling simply by disallowing everyone from seeing who is buying/selling in both the AH and the AD/Yen conversion house. Those trying to sell AD for real money run their operation by telling buyers to either place a cheap item in the AH for incredibly high prices so the AD transfer can be made, and in the AD/Yen conversion you can buy entire AD/Yen lots from the listed owners placing them there. Why are market listings listed by the individuals posting them so everyone can see, why would any game developer even do that??? the reason is, without this feature you kill the cash for in-game currency underground, which is the real major reason for having bots (they make AD in various ways so it can be converted into real life currency). Its also very easy to tell who the botters and abusers are, you simply trace their accounts through this underground and link their accounts together.
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  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Nope, that wouldn't stop them. They'll just tell you to put an item up at a specific price, e.g. 1,001,337 AD. That's how they do it in games where the sellers are anonymous.
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited June 2013
    Bots are in every MMO i played, there is no MMO i played that didn't have bots trying to scam people.

    Anyone with the least common sense can avoid them anyways.
  • wholyhandgrenadewholyhandgrenade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    Nope, that wouldn't stop them. They'll just tell you to put an item up at a specific price, e.g. 1,001,337 AD. That's how they do it in games where the sellers are anonymous.

    and even this could be stopped in a heartbeat, cause the AH suggested selling prices are pretty close in most parts to what players list them as, so if the game limited how much players could charge over market price so that listing tops out this type of selling couldn't be achieveable ... also, since these botters for cash advertise all over the net and make it as easy to find them as possible, its easy to keep up on how their trades for real cash are being made and that is easily stopped when you know how they are doing it
  • kevinf08kevinf08 Member Posts: 432 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    wholyhandgrenade wrote: »
    and even this could be stopped in a heartbeat, cause the AH suggested selling prices are pretty close in most parts to what players list them as, so if the game limited how much players could charge over market price so that listing tops out this type of selling couldn't be achieveable ... also, since these botters for cash advertise all over the net and make it as easy to find them as possible, its easy to keep up on how their trades for real cash are being made and that is easily stopped when you know how they are doing it

    Ineffective.

    AD sellers will just direct trade high value items if they can't use the AH. Would only be a minor hassle for hte buyer to sell it.
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If it was easy to eliminate bots and sellers they would have been eliminated in all MMOs long ago.

    That this isn't so should be enough to indicate that it isn't easy to do.
  • shuy1shuy1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    To people claiming Bots are in every game: DDO has no BOTS and no gold sellers. Go check it out if you don't believe me.
  • bolcien1bolcien1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    shuy1 wrote: »
    To people claiming Bots are in every game: DDO has no BOTS and no gold sellers. Go check it out if you don't believe me.

    That's cause DDO is dead. The farmers/sellers wouldn't be able to turn a profit there.
  • knightfalzknightfalz Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bolcien1 wrote: »
    That's cause DDO is dead. The farmers/sellers wouldn't be able to turn a profit there.

    The last time I was there it was doing quite well. I have noticed, though, that many like to give premature announcements of game death.
  • psychicslugpsychicslug Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    This would be very easy to fix for bots and gold farmers but doubt if will be done, 1) no direct sale of items to each other only to selling houses. 2) buying from those houses this would make a very stable economy that is regulated by the game itself not by who is selling what for how much. 3) no trading of gold or items with each other only within ones own account can this be done so the toons are on the same account sorry two accounts can not trade between even if owned by same person. For those who don't understand let me elaborate ~ ted finds sword goes to selling house sells sword to them for the going price say 5cp because thats the price that merchant is willing to give which is a game ran one. now bill is looking for a sword and goes to same merchant to find a sword the one just sold is there for 10 cp, now also before that there was one sold for 10cp and it in turn is 20 cp now given time and if enough swords like this start to flood the market the price might bottom out at 2 cp or whatever it is set to. The money made from the sale of the item go to no one but the npc merchant who is ran by the game. Everyone would have a fair chance to buy stuff without inflated prices, hope that clarifies what I mean. I know some like to buy and sale stuff but to me the game is about adventure and crafting and all else is second as is the case in D&D, never crafted as was as I fell a waste of time. But in this way if you craft something there would be way to get money for your self which can not be shared with anyone but yourself. I truly hate gold farmers and the spammers that sale items and to bloated cost of some of those items this way all stays nice and even.
  • valshazir1313valshazir1313 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bolcien1 wrote: »
    That's cause DDO is dead. The farmers/sellers wouldn't be able to turn a profit there.


    Back when I played in its heydayand it was popular, no one ever sold gold/plat/whatever there. So you sir fail at logic, please drive through.
  • shuy1shuy1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bolcien1 wrote: »
    That's cause DDO is dead. The farmers/sellers wouldn't be able to turn a profit there.

    Oh man, how wrong you are.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    shuy1 wrote: »
    To people claiming Bots are in every game: DDO has no BOTS and no gold sellers. Go check it out if you don't believe me.

    Google says you're wrong.
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  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    bolcien1 wrote: »
    That's cause DDO is dead. The farmers/sellers wouldn't be able to turn a profit there.

    No, DDO is not dead. It is quite alive. Gold sellers have been making profits for years in DDO, before they were effectively choked out. Cryptic would do well to learn from Turbine here.

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  • shuy1shuy1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    Google says you're wrong.

    You might want to check the sites deeply or just go and check in game. The fact that you googled "DDO gold seller" and that it showed up a couple of websites mean nothing.

    Also, in DDO there can be NO bots. There is no absolutely way that a bot can earn any Platinum or Astral diamonds, there is no such thing as Leadership in DDO. That's the main reason why there are no bots.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    No, DDO is not dead. It is quite alive. Gold sellers have been making profits for years in DDO, before they were effectively choked out. Cryptic would do well to learn from Turbine here.

    Heh, Turbine has had insecure logins on their forums for almost a year. I don't want anyone I do business with learning from them...
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    Heh, Turbine has had insecure logins on their forums for almost a year. I don't want anyone I do business with learning from them...

    Oh I'm not talking about their recent questionable web design choices with their new website. Its the single worst mistake they made which decimated their forum community... and did so in literally 24 hours.

    But in game, they are to be commended for years of effective bot and gold spam control. It is what it is.

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  • aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,369 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    Google says you're wrong.

    Yeah you need more that Google for this one. Those websites got nothing. Thats why they are hiding behind your credit card. And I would not trust any type of website that promotes cheating of any kind with anybody's credit card :)

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  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aandrethegiant wrote: »
    Oh I'm not talking about their recent questionable web design choices with their new website. Its the single worst mistake they made which decimated their forum community... and did so in literally 24 hours.

    But in game, they are to be commended for years of effective bot and gold spam control. It is what it is.

    Oh yeah, that one :) Not a fan of the new DDO site either, guess no one is.

    What I was referring to is the LOTRO site, which has been using HTTP for login since last fall...
    "Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
  • kulsveinkulsvein Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    elessym wrote: »
    Nope, that wouldn't stop them. They'll just tell you to put an item up at a specific price, e.g. 1,001,337 AD. That's how they do it in games where the sellers are anonymous.

    Thats easy to beat, every time someone posts an out of range bid the ah can either dissallow or add multiple copies of the bid so you have ony, say, one chance in ten of getting the right one. That in itself makes it 10 times harder for botters
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  • dsolzdsolz Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    valshazir1313 wrote: »
    Back when I played in its heydayand it was popular, no one ever sold gold/plat/whatever there. So you sir fail at logic, please drive through.

    I played b 4it went f2p. There are no spam no gold seller or bots.
    It is a fun game based on coordination and cooperation of classes.
  • flatfootsamflatfootsam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I miss DDO!

    I miss the lfm system, The chat channels. The raids. The screen full of hot bars, The mad customization. Camera zoom. No spam sites or botters, the community was genuinely nice and helped as well(before the forumapacolypse).

    I miss my bard the most. :(

    Cryptic could learn from Turbine on a whole lot of fronts and vise versa. If the devs in this game do not start to clean it up it may just backfire on em. More and more folks will just go back to DDO and be content( or whatever game they came from). I have personally never seen a game this riddled with exploits and gold spammers. It is crazy! DDO does not miss a beat as far as exploits go. They are on it like grease on bacon most of the time. Turbines starting to look not so bad right now. Even though the forums are a mess atm!

    This is a great game but sadly the janitors need to step up and take out the trash... It is starting to smell like stinky foot cheese!
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  • odd111outodd111out Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Except that then people in the same Guild could not exchange items.
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