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But sadly, for me and my fiancee, this game is not for us.
We have played since the open beta launched and I spent $100 on Zen 2 weeks ago to try and catch up with AD after the exploits completely screwed up the economy. But to be honest there just isn't anything "fun" in the game.
The quests from 1-60 are just a boring grind - there is nothing imaginative or interesting about them, the rewards are just terrible, although I will admit the scenery is nice.
The Epic Dungeons are equally dull - there is nothing exciting about them, nothing unpredictable and the rewards are equally terrible.
The event currently running is just utterly ridiculous and again the rewards are terrible - the double enchants offer nothing of interest to replace existing single enchants.
The idea of doing Bind on Pickup on T2 gear, well there are over 50 pages on that issue I don't think I need to add any more - let's just say it is just the dumbest thing I ever heard since the beta started.
The economy, it is completely screwed, there are a significant number of players who gained massively from the various exploits and have been permitted to just keep their gains (even a cursory look at the enchants on the AH with stacks and stacks of 99 lvl 4s and 5s posted by the same dozen people is enough to illustrate that fact). This means they effectively control the economy which puts everyone else in a losing position.
The "re-balancing" patch was an epic fail from what I have seen and read, for most classes. Furthermore, the lack of classes and lack of paragon paths doesn't improve the situation.
No open world exploration either - this is a serious killer if you ask me. One of the best things an MMO can do is have a big and varied open world for people to explore, with random bosses popping up every now and again preferably. Eve does it, WoW does it, Shaiya does it, Aion does it, Guild Wars (1 & 2) does it, Anarchy Online etc. etc. etc. but Neverwinter doesn't - when you hit 60 you are condemned to either sitting in the main city, running the same dungeons over and over again or doing foundry missions.
Now, foundry - it could have been the games greatest asset but no, they want to control it far too much. Being a foundry quest maker should have the same rush as being a Dungeon Master in the old table top D&D - where you plan the encounters, the dungeons - everything - INCLUDING the loot. But foundry quest makers have no control over the loot, so no matter how much work they put into a quest, the rewards are generally still absolutely terrible. I remember when I was a teenager playing AD&D Second Edition and developing the "Rod Of Seven Parts" campaign for our weekly group - a campaign which lasted well over a year and took players across wondrous worlds, dark and feared dungeons, encounters with dragons and demigods, and a whole host of other fun. That is what foundry should be, not "just another dungeon with crappy rewards".
The entire game seems focused on pushing people towards the Zen shop. You want AD, buy Zen and exchange them. You want a nice mount - buy Zen and either buy one or take a chance with RNG on the nightmare chests or open enough chests to get the Twilight from Bars. Want a nice companion - buy Zen to either buy one from Zen shop or sell for diamonds to buy one. Want cool fashion outfits - same thing. Want to level your professions to the max - the only way is to buy buy buy and even then if you want to make shirt and pants you have to buy buy buy even more because unless you have those purple "assets" you don't have a snowball in hell's chance of making them. With regards to all the other purple gear you can make (other than shirt and pants) don't bother, because it is so useless no-one is ever going to buy it.
Seals - everything you can buy with seals is useless with the exception of the Drake Minor accessories to go with your PVP set whilst you farm the T2s.
Those stupid tokens you get from each quest zone - again, utterly useless.
I loved AD&D, I loved the idea of playing something which claimed to be for D&D enthusiasts, my fiancee and I love to game together (we met gaming together in another MMO) it is something we have a joint passion for. We both came to Neverwinter after being completely disillusioned by Guild Wars 2, hoping that finally we could find something to replace Shaiya, something new with a modern engine, outstanding graphics and gameplay which both inspires and captures - Neverwinter isn't it, it is just yet another grind pushing you all the time to buy some faux currency to spend in the "mostly cosmetic offers no advantage over none spenders, we promise..." P2W shop.
Neverwinter, you have failed.
Goodbye.
We have played since the open beta launched and I spent $100 on Zen 2 weeks ago to try and catch up with AD after the exploits completely screwed up the economy. But to be honest there just isn't anything "fun" in the game.
The quests from 1-60 are just a boring grind - there is nothing imaginative or interesting about them, the rewards are just terrible, although I will admit the scenery is nice.
The Epic Dungeons are equally dull - there is nothing exciting about them, nothing unpredictable and the rewards are equally terrible.
The event currently running is just utterly ridiculous and again the rewards are terrible - the double enchants offer nothing of interest to replace existing single enchants.
The idea of doing Bind on Pickup on T2 gear, well there are over 50 pages on that issue I don't think I need to add any more - let's just say it is just the dumbest thing I ever heard since the beta started.
The economy, it is completely screwed, there are a significant number of players who gained massively from the various exploits and have been permitted to just keep their gains (even a cursory look at the enchants on the AH with stacks and stacks of 99 lvl 4s and 5s posted by the same dozen people is enough to illustrate that fact). This means they effectively control the economy which puts everyone else in a losing position.
The "re-balancing" patch was an epic fail from what I have seen and read, for most classes. Furthermore, the lack of classes and lack of paragon paths doesn't improve the situation.
No open world exploration either - this is a serious killer if you ask me. One of the best things an MMO can do is have a big and varied open world for people to explore, with random bosses popping up every now and again preferably. Eve does it, WoW does it, Shaiya does it, Aion does it, Guild Wars (1 & 2) does it, Anarchy Online etc. etc. etc. but Neverwinter doesn't - when you hit 60 you are condemned to either sitting in the main city, running the same dungeons over and over again or doing foundry missions.
Now, foundry - it could have been the games greatest asset but no, they want to control it far too much. Being a foundry quest maker should have the same rush as being a Dungeon Master in the old table top D&D - where you plan the encounters, the dungeons - everything - INCLUDING the loot. But foundry quest makers have no control over the loot, so no matter how much work they put into a quest, the rewards are generally still absolutely terrible. I remember when I was a teenager playing AD&D Second Edition and developing the "Rod Of Seven Parts" campaign for our weekly group - a campaign which lasted well over a year and took players across wondrous worlds, dark and feared dungeons, encounters with dragons and demigods, and a whole host of other fun. That is what foundry should be, not "just another dungeon with crappy rewards".
The entire game seems focused on pushing people towards the Zen shop. You want AD, buy Zen and exchange them. You want a nice mount - buy Zen and either buy one or take a chance with RNG on the nightmare chests or open enough chests to get the Twilight from Bars. Want a nice companion - buy Zen to either buy one from Zen shop or sell for diamonds to buy one. Want cool fashion outfits - same thing. Want to level your professions to the max - the only way is to buy buy buy and even then if you want to make shirt and pants you have to buy buy buy even more because unless you have those purple "assets" you don't have a snowball in hell's chance of making them. With regards to all the other purple gear you can make (other than shirt and pants) don't bother, because it is so useless no-one is ever going to buy it.
Seals - everything you can buy with seals is useless with the exception of the Drake Minor accessories to go with your PVP set whilst you farm the T2s.
Those stupid tokens you get from each quest zone - again, utterly useless.
I loved AD&D, I loved the idea of playing something which claimed to be for D&D enthusiasts, my fiancee and I love to game together (we met gaming together in another MMO) it is something we have a joint passion for. We both came to Neverwinter after being completely disillusioned by Guild Wars 2, hoping that finally we could find something to replace Shaiya, something new with a modern engine, outstanding graphics and gameplay which both inspires and captures - Neverwinter isn't it, it is just yet another grind pushing you all the time to buy some faux currency to spend in the "mostly cosmetic offers no advantage over none spenders, we promise..." P2W shop.
Neverwinter, you have failed.
Goodbye.
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A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
There are reasons to play Foundry quests besides loot. I've been five-starred before because my quest dropped good loot even. But yeah, the Foundry is not able to live up to it's potential with the current reward system. The problem is it rewards people for doing the SAME quest over and over again. Seriously. Why try new Foundry quests when you can run the same four at the top of the list every day? Another thing is, it's a "Goldilocks" reward system where 10 minutes is too short, 20 minutes is too long, and 15 minutes is just right... So that basically discourages people from playing any quest that isn't solely designed to be an AD dispensing hamster wheel that just barely makes it over that much coveted fifteen minute mark.
Not sure that it will be a free to play. But it is for an older generation of gamer. I will be there in hopes of escaping the instant gratification games.
Edit: a little more info + there is closed beta sign ups going out as well http://www.archeage.com/en#index
I agree that the daily foundry system actually messes with the foundry itself (maybe that needs a thread if it doesn't have one). But for the record, there are people (me, therefore more of us) that play Foundries because of cool content, and don't give a snot about the best loot.
As for the rest, I am not in a position to comment as I am not level 60 yet (although I have only 5 levels left to go and at least 3 areas yet to explore... way overlevelled) so I'll just go back to crafting many, many pairs of pants.
Unfortunately, it's been proven over and over again (CoH, STO, etc), that if you give people that much control over player-made missions? They'll build a room, with a 1-hp mob in the center of it, who drops a dragon's horde of loot. And the majority of players will just spam that mission over and over.
(I remember the one that popped up while I was playing STO - people made farming maps with a dozen inactive battleships sitting on top of each other in a nebula. Nebula meant they had no shields, standing on top of each other meant you could kill a couple and the core explosions would kill the rest, and battleships meant they dropped good loot. And you needed a quest that lasted 15 minutes - so that people couldn't do the "activate this console in 5 seconds for the daily quest" thing - so they just had you warp between ten maps like that. Huge xp, huge loot, no danger, no story.)
People figure out an exploit for the player-made missions, they patch it. Figure out another exploit, they patch it. Over and over and over, until you have a system with lots of limitations. Not because the devs wanted it that way, but because they had to because players, in general, are greedy/lazy/cheaters.
Whenever i read something like this, the first thing that comes to my mind is: What in gods name did you expect?
You downloaded the client for a mmo type of game, thinking there would be anything but grind quests?
-Kill X of Y; Gather a of b; walk from b to c; protect npcs from spawns while he walks from d to f
Thats basically what you will get from any mmo when it comes to quests.
Infact, the grind in this game is small compared to many other mmos. When i got a quest "Kill 8 Bandits" (which can be done in 1 minute) i was almost like : What, did the accidently miss the zero on that?
That would be easily overcome by giving the Foundry Authors access to bosses that have specific loot quilities and then make those bosses accessible to the Author after they have met a specified number of encounters and line texts (for quests or story)
Wow, easy to fix. I mean, they have already proven that they can control the flow of the foundry missions. All they would need to do is add bosses, give those bosses loot tables that have a nice quality and then tie in coding that reads the classes and drops loot according to the character playing.
P.S i know coding isn't easy and there is a lot that goes with it. But when a game I played 5 years ago was able to base drops on the characters playing, even raid zones..*shrug* Wth am I talking about? That was a game that gave a ****, nvm.
No we already NPC'd everything.
btw fun = rewards. cant imagine someone enjoys foundrys for more than a few quests to be honest.
This is only the beginning. You know, I have a feeling you will be back playing again at some point. It's hard to stay away.
BTW, I do agree with you about the economy. This game really needed or needs a full wipe. Despite all the work I put into my Cleric, I would accept this.
is there a reason you have to tell us that you're leaving?
i mean, its not like anybody would care or give a **** about you anyway. if you dont like the game, well its simple and only 4letters long: GTFO
ah and please close the door behind you okay?
2. It is good that there are threads like this. If developers don't take the gist and don't try improve/rebuild something - this one fine game here will be as good as dead.
3. There is no need to rush and try hard to be on par with everyone. There are many P2W games next door. This game is about using exploits to their fullest potential. L2P. Oops, sorry L2E.
Easy enough to work around if they implemented a seal system with loot rewards for the foundry, and put a cap on how many seals you can obtain daily/weekly.
Edit: threads like this, which are feedback threads can help devs understand why some people find the game lacking and improve it for everyone's benefit. They are infinitely better than sycophant fanboy posts telling people to "gtfo", which I'm fairly certain the devs don't want people to do.
Support > Contact us > Submit = Much more effective
People posting in this thread are players. They can not do anything about the OPs concerns. All threads like this do is antagonize and invite discourse.
Exhibit A = This Thread.
Sure there's that, but threads on forums lets others add to the discussion, and discussion can lead to ideas, ideas that can help improve the game.
Forum - Neverwinter Discussion - General Discussion - Create Post. (does not clog up the system)
... which is why "Goodbye Threads" are prohibited.
NB4 the lock.
That's not a problem caused by this type of thread though is it?
That problem is caused by the player community.
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um ... except for its against forum rules. "Goodbye threads" are not allowed.
Remove all mention of "goodbyes" and re-submit suggestions and poster will be in compliance. Not sure what the need to say "goodbye" adds to the point of the thread other than as a retaliatory measure.
Sort of like a jilted lover.