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cesmode8
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It is so annoying to run with groups that think they are so pro they can glitch things. And then when something goes wrong, everyone wipes because at that point noone has a clue as to what to do...run or fight? Die? And you're probably in an in-optimal area to start fighting..probably right next to another cluster of trash.
I was just in a DD FH dungeon. They kept breezing by everything, stand here stand there blah blah. When things werent going their way the tank, in his broken english(I understand its not his first language), was telling everyone what to do but noone could understand him in his brief sentences as hes trying to kite mobs around, with his broken english.
Long story short: Its more trouble than its worth. Sure, the run MIGHT be 10 minutes faster. But if you screw up, its 10 or 20 minutes longer. Not worth it. Just play the content. Or are you too chicken ****?
I was just in a DD FH dungeon. They kept breezing by everything, stand here stand there blah blah. When things werent going their way the tank, in his broken english(I understand its not his first language), was telling everyone what to do but noone could understand him in his brief sentences as hes trying to kite mobs around, with his broken english.
Long story short: Its more trouble than its worth. Sure, the run MIGHT be 10 minutes faster. But if you screw up, its 10 or 20 minutes longer. Not worth it. Just play the content. Or are you too chicken ****?
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Then again, this is the game they felt comfortable announcing a release date for .. so I'm not entirely sure logic, reason, or consistancy come into it much. TESO can't come soon enough tbh ...
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so yeah.
Trash has too much HP? Dear lord... this game has some of the most palatable "trash" I've ever seen. I wonder if any of you guys did the flame packs in Molten Core or the Pre-C'Thun trash, back in the day. And they drop usable enchants way more often than any of those ever dropped anything of value...
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How about trash mobs in Plane of Growth(EQ1). Some of that stuff had fuktons of HPs, as in it took 30-40 people sometimes 5-6mins of fighting to down.
PS: MMO Players these days are too spoiled with easy content.
LOL, TESO ... game is gonna be broken for a year after release. Bethesda cant even get a single player game right.
If I remember correctly, MC didn't have hundreds of mobs, or more, to get to the boss.
"MORE DOTS!"
Right, because the mobs were HARDER. They had MORE HIT POINTS. Well, not in pure numerical terms most likely, but they took longer and a lot more effort to kill. Do you have any idea how long it took to run a full Molten Core clear start to finish? Pre-Expansion? Whenever I hear people complaining about Castle Never taking 2-3 hours I just shake my head and remember spending two to three times that much clearing the old raids in WoW. And let's not even talk about later dungeons like Ahn Quiraj (the dungeon so big they had to let you use a mount in it, lest you spend 30 minutes running from one end of the zone to the other) and Naxxramas (I don't remember the exact count, but I remember it had about 15 boss fights).
People whining about having to spend 30 minutes in an instance clearing trash and defending exploiting past it is just pathetic, frankly. Clearing out the trash between the Twin Emperors and C'Thun in Ahn Qiraj usually took longer than that! And was often less rewarding.
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Again i will reference even crazier end game content. How about taking 2-4 days to full clear the Planes of Hate and Fear in OG EQ. Sorry but for every gripe people have about this game i bet i can reference EQ to something that was 5 times as bad as far as difficult content.
then it's a good think that it's ZeniMax that's developing TESO, isn't it?
First starting out we would not clear either one before the reset which was between 5-7 DAYS.
Eventually we caught up in gear and could knock them out in one long evening.
I wouldn't mind some epic type raids where we had DAYS to work on and clear before reset.
I don't think NWO is going for the same kind of hardcore raiding experience that EQ or WoW do. NWO is designed more for the semi-hardcore player, who wants to login and play for an hour or so, and finish a dungeon in under an hour.. There's a reason why DD are 60 mins long after all... I don't think the dungeons are too "hard" in general but the trash, including boss adds, doesn't go down quick enough. I'm talking a group with 2 CW spamming every AoE in the book has trouble killing adds before they build up to ridiculous levels - and no I'm not the best geared CW (around 10k I think) but this was Icespire too, not CN.
I mean next you'll tell me you want 3 hour corpse recoveries in Plane of Fear... please no.
Zenimax is making it. You shouldn't experience anything more than the typical MMORPG release post 04, incomplete/lacking endgame, imbalanced classes/gameplay, the usual exploits that will be patched within a few weeks, cash shop items even if only a few in even a subscription game, mobs easier to kill at max level than the easy mobs at the start of a character, auction house exploits, and if you're lucky negative bidding, faulty item tracking/placement in inventory, easy and multiple duping methods, farming methods which grant 100x more gain in less than a fraction of the time a tool intends to put into 'legit" (i'.e. not playing to win/their own version of the game) farming, and then the enjoyable divide created from that once the bugs are finally removed for about the next 2 to 6 months until most of the players with the early advantages lose interest in the game and leave allowing the tools to remain and have their massochistic fun with the boring programs. that's all typical modern mmorpg bugs, the bethesda bugs are more desirable personally. I highly doubt there are as many ****tards developing that game though, so there will not likely be anything truly profitable in true currency as there were at the beginning of the launch of this game.
its just not mmo players, its the current generation of gamers.
play any new single player game on normal mode. its like playing what used to be easy mode. you have to practically just stand there and try to die on purpose in order to lose.
As a Shadow Knight Plane of Hate was my second home for a good long while and for good reason.
With some of the latest online games it's just RNG on top of RNG.
Focus!
A fair point, but the fact remains that it still took a good 40 minutes or so to clear out the Pre-C'Thun trash. And flame packs in Molten Core required specific class assignments.
Imaging the wailing that would occur in NW if you actually had to stop clearing for about a minute, designate who was going to handle which mobs, and then execute a strategy on a trash pack that had an insignificant chance of dropping anything valuable (just a road block to the next boss). Because... well, in the early days of WoW, that's exactly what you had to do in Molten Core for post-Garr trash.
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so I agree with the OP if you put as much time ad effort into playing the game as you do cheating it you might have more fun.
A lot of people play to have. Have purple show on the character sheet. Have larger integers displaying. If something they can get shows larger integers nothing else is "worth getting".
Then there is the cash shop. If you can sell stuff to get cash shop items, there will be tight competition to sell desirable loot.
Ultimately it's unwise short sighted behavior though.
How long does it take to develop a dungeon? I honestly don't know, but all the 3D modelling, texturing, encounter design, itemization, spread sheet crunching has to take some time, plus packaging for distribution in a way that doesn't break the client.
with hard core running of dungeons players already will clear stuff much faster than any developer can hope to create them, using glitches just exasperates that fact and there will never be "enough content" to do.
Lets see some of the people here now try the original PoFear. Entire guilds would chain wipe trying to do corpse runs just zoning in. A 3hr CR was a quick one. People would be trying to convince guilds who still had players with gear to have a try....the next day! Fully equipped corpses would rot with all their gear because people couldn't be online when someone actually established a foothold at zone in. Some people would crash from the graphics overload from all the corpses at zone in. Can't see many people here putting up with that. Fun times.
Yeah, thinking of the UNcontrol wizards I have been grouped with at times, yeah, those guys would not have a good time.
I would do longer runs in NW if the PuG is good. Since the agro was fixed my GF can now collect mobs and actually clear mobs from clothies. I spent my boss fights last night collecting everything so my party could focus on DPS. While I played rabbit.
literally the trash mobs are only there to slow game progression down
why would you bother killing it if it wastes time and offers nothing in return?
And are AI exploits like kiting mobs/adds in boss fights also "glitching fights"?
I seriously want to know where this line is drawn.