Please give me your nickname falson1 so i ignore you istant, i hate so much ppl that won't skip trash mobs and if i'm leader i istant kick them + ignore + report spam
You guys got so much time to spend in your useless life if you want do stay 2 hours in one dungeon killing trash, you ****
Please give me your nickname falson1 so i ignore you istant, i hate so much ppl that won't skip trash mobs and if i'm leader i istant kick them + ignore + report spam
You guys got so much time to spend in your useless life if you want do stay 2 hours in one dungeon killing trash, you ****
Falsely reporting someone out of spite is a bannable offense.
You are aware that logs are fully searchable right ?
Simply choose your party members before you go into the dungeon,there's no need to be a prick about it.
I wonder if you'll still be playing after glitches are fixed.
That's what falson1 should do instead of crying on the forum
And that's why i'm asking his nickname, i'm choosing my party members
How about you post up your name too so that we can all do the same? You are just an immature cry baby, I would hate to be in a group with a whiner.
P.S. I don't care about this whole debate. I just go with the flow with groups. Do what you will until they fix the game. As the rules of gaming go, if it's in the game, it's fair game.
"Choosing your party members" shouldn't mean kicking someone & reporting them for spam because they do not want to CHEAT.
Except it isn't cheating except in your oh-so-sure mind. You decide what is cheating, then you decide who is a cheater, then you complain on the forums that others are ruining your good time? You are to arrogant to even see you created a problem where one didn't exist, and now you are angry about said problem.
Also, just play with people you know and stop worrying about other people? Maybe you should join Obama's NSA and really get to know everyone's business.
You guys really do spellplague or karrundax without running to the campfire checkpoint and killing all the trash? Lol. 3 hours for 1 istance. just Lol.
Is this cheating ? i don't think so, so stop speaking about cheating.
Except it isn't cheating except in your oh-so-sure mind. You decide what is cheating, then you decide who is a cheater, then you complain on the forums that others are ruining your good time? You are to arrogant to even see you created a problem where one didn't exist, and now you are angry about said problem.
Also, just play with people you know and stop worrying about other people? Maybe you should join Obama's NSA and really get to know everyone's business.
I don't have to decide what is cheating as the devs have already said those things are cheating and will be fixed. Why don't you take your rude, immature, entitled attitude to someplace else since you cannot seem to have a healthy debate without name calling?
You guys really do spellplague or karrundax without running to the campfire checkpoint and killing all the trash? Lol. 3 hours for 1 istance. just Lol.
Is this cheating ? i don't think so, so stop speaking about cheating.
I've done Karrundax as intended dozens of times and it NEVER takes 3 hours (maybe 45 mins or so). The most time consuming thing about that dungeon is the boss fight.
You guys really do spellplague or karrundax without running to the campfire checkpoint and killing all the trash? Lol. 3 hours for 1 istance. just Lol.
Is this cheating ? i don't think so, so stop speaking about cheating.
It takes you three hours to do an SP run without cheating? That's your problem right there. You need to drop back to T1 dungeons until you're geared and experienced enough to do it in 30 min without cheating.
I've done Karrundax as intended dozens of times and it NEVER takes 3 hours. The most time consuming this about that dungeon is the boss fight.
What's the point to kill all the trash mobs after the second boss?? Is it funny??? Maybe for you. Do they drop epics ? Or they are just a bunch of useless high HP mobs that make you lose time? My time is precious dear bro
It takes you three hours to do an SP run without cheating? That's your problem right there. You need to drop back to T1 dungeons until you're geared and experienced enough to do it in 30 min without cheating.
Nah i'm speaking about you,as i said before i just do speedruns so it's not my problem.
What's the point to kill all the trash mobs after the second boss?? Is it funny??? Maybe for you. Do they drop epics ? Or they are just a bunch of useless high HP mobs that make you lose time? My time is precious dear bro
If your time is too precious to play the game then there is the issue right there;). The point in killing the mobs is because they are there to be killed. There are chests and skill nodes and enchantment drops as well.
If your time is too precious to play the game then there is the issue right there;). The point in killing the mobs is because they are there to be killed. There are chests and skill nodes and enchantment drops as well.
i have never seen 1 ppl who ask to kill mobs after 2nd boss in Karrundax for the nodes and enchantment drop You are the first , lol i think you got a 99% chance to be kicked if you ask that at the begin of the istance
lol this is the 1st time i've heard this discussion in a MMO. If people can legitimately by pass specific mobs, bosses in dungeons without using 3rd party programs and client file manipulation, but through game mechanics it is their right to do so. It means that the reward doesn't worth the effort or because devs didn't put enough thought into the development of that dungeon.
This whole 13pages discussion about gaming philosophy is pretty much worthless as people will still play as they like, and doesn't server anything else except excessive flaming and trolling .
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falson1Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 135Bounty Hunter
edited June 2013
You know this is why I made this thread right here. So people would discuss this topic. No matter how you feel on the subject, Thank you for discussing it in the open at the very least. I am happy there are more out there than I thought against cheating. I kinda thought I was the only one in the game for a while lol.
I think the big problem we have these days is game like wow ruined the MMO experience, people just want instant gratification without the work needed to get it. Those complaining about the time it takes to do something would not have lasted 1 single day when everquest was launched, 40 man raids taking 8 plus hours sometimes more. They would have given up.
But back to the point, Its not really about the time it takes to do something Its about breaking the rules, Let me ask this question to those that support using exploits in dungeons. Do you also support using AH exploits? saves time just duping items to sell right? so would you support doing that too? Would you support the hacking of peoples accounts to get free stuff? those are all exploits. Now before you say its not the same thing it really is. Hacking an account for free zen and AD would save you a ton of time farming, So why not just allow that too? where would you draw the line in breaking the rules. There needs to be a zero tolerance in breaking the rules or there should be no rules its really as simple as that.
lol this is the 1st time i've heard this discussion in a MMO. If people can legitimately by pass specific mobs, bosses in dungeons without using 3rd party programs and client file manipulation, but through game mechanics it is their right to do so. It means that the reward doesn't worth the effort or because devs didn't put enough thought into the development of that dungeon.
This whole 13pages discussion about gaming philosophy is pretty much worthless as people will still play as they like, and doesn't server anything else except excessive flaming and trolling .
Using stuck mechanics, falling through walls or floors, these are not legitimate mechanics. That would be exploiting and looking for ways to do so. Exploiters should be removed, they can go back to whatever hole in the MMO universe they crawled out of.
i have never seen 1 ppl who ask to kill mobs after 2nd boss in Karrundax for the nodes and enchantment drop You are the first , lol i think you got a 99% chance to be kicked if you ask that at the begin of the istance
I guess I've been lucky as there are plenty of people who seem to enjoy playing without cheating, even in pugs. As far as being kicked, good luck kicking someone half way through. Chance of beating end boss and getting chest drops significantly.
people don't understand. we don't run dungeons for fun. we run maybe the 1st week for fun, or maybe till we manage to get boss down if it's very difficult, but otherwise after u have done 100 times same instance, then my friends that is pure grind, boring and you do it so u can cash up really fast reward.
In the end those exploits are corrected if the dev consider them game breaking and that they ruin the economy. I don't remember hearing people complain when such things were corrected... not to mention that all these shortcuts are always reported.
But i don't agree with people *****ing that other players don't follow their "philosophy". If you don't like their play style don't party them, find your own followers and do the dungeons as you like, but don't start a personal inquisition upon others: Ban then just because they feel playing in a different style.
But i don't agree with people *****ing that other players don't follow their "philosophy". If you don't like their play style don't party them, find your own followers and do the dungeons as you like, but don't start a personal inquisition upon others: Ban then just because they feel playing in a different style.
Cheating as a playstyle... Lol. People can really get ridiculous when they don't want to pay for zens/spend time in game. :rolleyes:
Theres no reward for killing trash in this game, not even a blue or epic random item drop, so people dont want to lose time killing trash. Tweak trash loot table and people will be interested again.
This is entertainment, people will not do boring stuff for nothing, sorry.
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falson1Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 135Bounty Hunter
Theres no reward for killing trash in this game, not even a blue or epic random item drop, so people dont want to lose time killing trash. Tweak trash loot table and people will be interested again.
This is entertainment, people will not do boring stuff for nothing, sorry.
That's true, But if they cheat to skip said content, that's where they get banned. Then they wont have to worry about it anymore
Theres no reward for killing trash in this game, not even a blue or epic random item drop, so people dont want to lose time killing trash. Tweak trash loot table and people will be interested again.
This is entertainment, people will not do boring stuff for nothing, sorry.
Exploiter spotted. If you weren't one you'd know that blue drops happen. I have even seen a purple one from a regular T1 mob, although it was only lvl 47 or so.
The devs should look at what people are skipping and think about why they are rather than punishing people and forcing everyone into tedium.
Get rid of the trash mobs. At the least make them drop something or worth exp.
Lose the grind, three bosses, 20 sec run between and done. That's what we are doing it for (other than those of you who said otherwise), so lets cut to the chase man, cut to the chase.
Stop wasting our time taking out the trash when we are there to kill a **** boss and get our reward. Anything else is a waste of time and insulting.
Again, walk around looking at the walls and stuff if that's your thing, I'm there for the reward, so are many people like it or not.
The devs should look at what people are skipping and think about why they are rather than punishing people and forcing everyone into tedium.
Get rid of the trash mobs. At the least make them drop something or worth exp.
Lose the grind, three bosses, 20 sec run between and done. That's what we are doing it for (other than those of you who said otherwise), so lets cut to the chase man, cut to the chase.
Stop wasting our time taking out the trash when we are there to kill a **** boss and get our reward. Anything else is a waste of time and insulting.
Again, walk around looking at the walls and stuff if that's your thing, I'm there for the reward, so are many people like it or not.
The "I want it now" generation on display yet again.
Well maybe there should just be a daily item in the chest by Sergeant Knox for those who just want it given to them:rolleyes:.
That would not be enough, they would then want 24K diamonds with it, and some enchants and wards as well. As well as a single button they can push to get to it.
Of course, actually doing something to earn it would be to hard for them...
Exploiter spotted. If you weren't one you'd know that blue drops happen. I have even seen a purple one from a regular T1 mob, although it was only lvl 47 or so.
Yes, and they're crappy in all respects (gold from selling, AD for auctioning). The fact is, trash mobs in this game are even more deserving of the name than other MMOs. You don't find id scrolls anymore so greens are out of the picture, people just shoot for tenebrous for the majority of their offense slots so the enchants that drop aren't too useful, and they drop minimal gold. There is no incentive to bother with all the trash other than progressing through the dungeon, and that sounds a lot like filler
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You guys got so much time to spend in your useless life if you want do stay 2 hours in one dungeon killing trash, you ****
Falsely reporting someone out of spite is a bannable offense.
You are aware that logs are fully searchable right ?
Simply choose your party members before you go into the dungeon,there's no need to be a prick about it.
I wonder if you'll still be playing after glitches are fixed.
That's what falson1 should do instead of crying on the forum
And that's why i'm asking his nickname, i'm choosing my party members
"Choosing your party members" shouldn't mean kicking someone & reporting them for spam because they do not want to CHEAT.
How about you post up your name too so that we can all do the same? You are just an immature cry baby, I would hate to be in a group with a whiner.
P.S. I don't care about this whole debate. I just go with the flow with groups. Do what you will until they fix the game. As the rules of gaming go, if it's in the game, it's fair game.
Except it isn't cheating except in your oh-so-sure mind. You decide what is cheating, then you decide who is a cheater, then you complain on the forums that others are ruining your good time? You are to arrogant to even see you created a problem where one didn't exist, and now you are angry about said problem.
Also, just play with people you know and stop worrying about other people? Maybe you should join Obama's NSA and really get to know everyone's business.
Is this cheating ? i don't think so, so stop speaking about cheating.
I don't have to decide what is cheating as the devs have already said those things are cheating and will be fixed. Why don't you take your rude, immature, entitled attitude to someplace else since you cannot seem to have a healthy debate without name calling?
I've done Karrundax as intended dozens of times and it NEVER takes 3 hours (maybe 45 mins or so). The most time consuming thing about that dungeon is the boss fight.
It takes you three hours to do an SP run without cheating? That's your problem right there. You need to drop back to T1 dungeons until you're geared and experienced enough to do it in 30 min without cheating.
Nah i'm speaking about you,as i said before i just do speedruns so it's not my problem.
If your time is too precious to play the game then there is the issue right there;). The point in killing the mobs is because they are there to be killed. There are chests and skill nodes and enchantment drops as well.
i have never seen 1 ppl who ask to kill mobs after 2nd boss in Karrundax for the nodes and enchantment drop
This whole 13pages discussion about gaming philosophy is pretty much worthless as people will still play as they like, and doesn't server anything else except excessive flaming and trolling
I think the big problem we have these days is game like wow ruined the MMO experience, people just want instant gratification without the work needed to get it. Those complaining about the time it takes to do something would not have lasted 1 single day when everquest was launched, 40 man raids taking 8 plus hours sometimes more. They would have given up.
But back to the point, Its not really about the time it takes to do something Its about breaking the rules, Let me ask this question to those that support using exploits in dungeons. Do you also support using AH exploits? saves time just duping items to sell right? so would you support doing that too? Would you support the hacking of peoples accounts to get free stuff? those are all exploits. Now before you say its not the same thing it really is. Hacking an account for free zen and AD would save you a ton of time farming, So why not just allow that too? where would you draw the line in breaking the rules. There needs to be a zero tolerance in breaking the rules or there should be no rules its really as simple as that.
Using stuck mechanics, falling through walls or floors, these are not legitimate mechanics. That would be exploiting and looking for ways to do so. Exploiters should be removed, they can go back to whatever hole in the MMO universe they crawled out of.
I guess I've been lucky as there are plenty of people who seem to enjoy playing without cheating, even in pugs. As far as being kicked, good luck kicking someone half way through. Chance of beating end boss and getting chest drops significantly.
In the end those exploits are corrected if the dev consider them game breaking and that they ruin the economy. I don't remember hearing people complain when such things were corrected... not to mention that all these shortcuts are always reported.
But i don't agree with people *****ing that other players don't follow their "philosophy". If you don't like their play style don't party them, find your own followers and do the dungeons as you like, but don't start a personal inquisition upon others: Ban then just because they feel playing in a different style.
Cheating as a playstyle... Lol. People can really get ridiculous when they don't want to pay for zens/spend time in game. :rolleyes:
IKR, why even play if you don't want to spend time in the game playing? I just do not get it.
This is entertainment, people will not do boring stuff for nothing, sorry.
That's true, But if they cheat to skip said content, that's where they get banned. Then they wont have to worry about it anymore
Exploiter spotted. If you weren't one you'd know that blue drops happen. I have even seen a purple one from a regular T1 mob, although it was only lvl 47 or so.
Get rid of the trash mobs. At the least make them drop something or worth exp.
Lose the grind, three bosses, 20 sec run between and done. That's what we are doing it for (other than those of you who said otherwise), so lets cut to the chase man, cut to the chase.
Stop wasting our time taking out the trash when we are there to kill a **** boss and get our reward. Anything else is a waste of time and insulting.
Again, walk around looking at the walls and stuff if that's your thing, I'm there for the reward, so are many people like it or not.
The "I want it now" generation on display yet again.
That would not be enough, they would then want 24K diamonds with it, and some enchants and wards as well. As well as a single button they can push to get to it.
Of course, actually doing something to earn it would be to hard for them...
Yes, and they're crappy in all respects (gold from selling, AD for auctioning). The fact is, trash mobs in this game are even more deserving of the name than other MMOs. You don't find id scrolls anymore so greens are out of the picture, people just shoot for tenebrous for the majority of their offense slots so the enchants that drop aren't too useful, and they drop minimal gold. There is no incentive to bother with all the trash other than progressing through the dungeon, and that sounds a lot like filler