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falson1
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Seriously, every single group I get into these days, people are trying to use exploits to take shortcuts to try and skip content, or even doing these "preclears" for a dungeon delve is also a cheat. When getting into a group people are just shocked I don't want to cheat. I have had several people just throw a complete tantrum, because I did not want to use an exploit to skip content.
Seriously, PW needs to start banning these people. An example needs to be made for this to stop. I just want to play the game how it was intended and do not want to cheat or use bugs to do exploits what the heck is wrong with that?. Why do you think the markets are so flooded with end game gear? Its because during a Dungeon delve they use cheats and clear 3-4 dungeons in a single hour and get chests on them all, castle never included.
I realize everyone was very offended during the AH cheating scandal, Why is there no outrage over these cheats? because almost every single player is doing them.
PW please start banning some people for this, if examples are made of the worst offenders this type of behaviour will stop and we can actually play the game as intended and not just being lazy and try and cheat the system.
Seriously, PW needs to start banning these people. An example needs to be made for this to stop. I just want to play the game how it was intended and do not want to cheat or use bugs to do exploits what the heck is wrong with that?. Why do you think the markets are so flooded with end game gear? Its because during a Dungeon delve they use cheats and clear 3-4 dungeons in a single hour and get chests on them all, castle never included.
I realize everyone was very offended during the AH cheating scandal, Why is there no outrage over these cheats? because almost every single player is doing them.
PW please start banning some people for this, if examples are made of the worst offenders this type of behaviour will stop and we can actually play the game as intended and not just being lazy and try and cheat the system.
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Link to the dev posts:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?316671-Dungeon-Delves-Preclearing-exploit-or-not/page2&p=4094221&viewfull=1#post4094221
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?316671-Dungeon-Delves-Preclearing-exploit-or-not&p=4088122&viewfull=1#post4088122
and if you want to min/max your game you have to adapt, but go on slow brainer, keep your green gear, I'm sure with this passive attitude you'll be good at something in life.
Interesting read, I will read the entire thing in a few min. But the "shortcuts" are obviously not intended and people using them should face some consequences.
It is the same reason people are so fond of throwing mobs off a cliff instead of killing them. Too much trash with too much hp makes for a long, boring, grindy dungeon.
Frankly nobody wants to spend an hour clearing trash, that drops trash loot, for a 1-in-5 chance of getting an item you need off the boss's loot table, assuming said item even drops.
This is not in any way unique to NW. In RIFT, when they added raid tokens to the dungeon daily, you would have groups of raid geared players who would use every trick and shortcut possible to finish the dungeon ASAP. I have even seen groups consisting of 1 cleric tank (specced for self healing) and 4 dps to demolish the zone faster.
Why? Cause they have done this dungeon at least 20-50 times by now, and outgear it to such an extent that it is no longer challenging, nor is any of the gear remotely worthwhile... but the raid token at the end is.
I hit 60 yesterday, went to the AH, bought some gear, got my GS to ~8k. Looked through the drake vendor... no real upgrades, so now I need to run T2s and hope for a useful upgrade off of end bosses. Frankly, if there's a period of time where a T2 item is a 100% drop, I will sure as hell try to kill as many bosses during that timeframe as I can. Be it skipping trash, chucking trash off cliffs, or preclearing before the delve timer starts... I want my gear and my power, not to spend ages wading through CC riddled trash.
Whenever i see someone searching group members in zone chat it's:
LF X 10k+ for Y Speedruns (know all shortcuts)
Whenever i wisp someone to get invited into a group, the first reply is : You know the shortcuts, right?
And by "shortcuts" they mean exploiting the hell out of the dungeon.
It is almost impossible to find a group which doesn't skip the first 2 Bosses in FH(and glitches the 3), like half of karrundax and 98% of the temple of the spider (with the mother of all dungeon exploits).
I have been instantly kicked from more than one group because i asked if someone would like to do the dungeon without exploits.
But the thing right now is: exploit or wipe. If you use the queue for any t2 dungeon outside of pirate, there is a chance of 89,7% (~) to wipe (most guys in queue are firsttimers with just about 8.3k GS. I gave up on the queue after explaining bosses over and over again and wiping so many times)
If you run with a group you found in the gobal chat, be prepared to exploit or get kicked. Thats basically how it works right now.
My green gear? I have a 12k GS. how you ask? People there are a few whom agree with me. Using bugs to take shortcuts is an exploit. Exploits are used by brain dead kids who don't want to work for something or earn it. They want their participation trophy and they want it now.. I earned my gear. people like you are the reason I don't solo queue, All you know is exploiting game bugs and when you get to the boss you have no clue how to play your class.
Actually I agree this is a normal reaction, Killing the same bosses over and over I get that too. That does not change the fact that its cheating. Why was this not said about the people using AH cheats? You need RL money to buy AD, they don't want to spend that money so they cheat on the AH. This enraged 99% of the players. But its the same thing really, they are breaking the rules of the game and are cheating. Cheating should not be rewarded, there should be consequences.
Same goes for using pillars, etc. for spreading out the party versus bosses and sniping. I call it good ****ing tactics, so stop whining about it! When has an army general ever said, "Well troops we're not gonna position snipers and artillary above on the enemy's flank, out of their range, because it's JUST NOT ****ING FAIR!" LOL
Maybe cheats should be better defined by the devs, dunno.
What's left? Foundry and you don't get any worthwile item in there, only the AD from dailies.
I don't skip content whatsoever but... it's veeeery tempting.
I want this class in NW.
That is just stupid lol. Shortcuts are not there by design, you are telling me that hopping on a rock then jumping off in a spot where you cant get out of just so you can fall forever, then type /stuck after 15 seconds or so to teleport to the 1st boss was intended by the devs? I don't think so. That's just idiotic.
Using the terrain in war is one thing. This is a game and games have rules. You break the rules there are consequences. Just like in real life if you commit a crime you get arrested. That's the consequence.
You can bypass way more then half of that place :P
Read the post you ****ing idiot. Natural shortcuts not those glitches, which by the way, you should probably not explain in detail. Hope you get banned.
Exactly. Thank you. Still amazed that ppl call that cheating.
I read it again and you still sound like a idiot child. I am not talking about natural shortcuts, and nowhere in your post I replied on even has the word natural in it. I am talking about actual CHEATS. Like the teleport one described above. Now go read your own post idiot...
Find a guild who don't exploit
Run with them
It works for me
I have done this as well. Was hard to find a good one. But they are out there.
Stop pugging, your that type of person who demands that every single mob be pulled.. Seriously.. go find a guild and get THEM to clear every mob with your slow ***. (Tell me how long it lasts)
Example:
Me: hey guys, lets hug the wall and skip this pull!
pug 1: awesome lets do it!
pug 2: sure
pug 3: wow, did not know that! Leets thx!
YOU: OMG why you wanna skip trash, that is CHEATING. I am going to report you for not clearing this mob right here
Me: *YOU* has been kicked from group for being a pain in my <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
I don't PUG actually anymore. I only group with normal people. Again I am not talking about natural shortcuts, I am talking about cheats Like the teleport one.
That's not a cheat and is not what I am talking about.. again.. yeesh people..
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You must have a learning disability or something. Again that's not what I am talking about. Maybe that's why you need cheats you are just not smart enough to play the game normally. That makes sense actually..
I agree... dungeons that are tedious and boring to do and people will just try to skip most of them esp. when 80% of the dungeon are the same trash mobs that gives nothing not even a challenge only boredom and as time fillers. What makes dungeon fun and challenging in WoW is each pack requires different strategy to beat. Here it's just zerg zerg zerg, aoe or just knock them off the bridge/cliff/whatever. Bosses are like summon adds, summon more adds, summon ****load of adds up the wazzoo.... Most boss abilities just let's you avoid the red circle and have a bazillion HP. It's the quality that counts not the quantity.
I'm not really mad, just laughing...though I like to curse at little too much. In all seriousness, looks like semantics. It does set me off a little when people throw around idiot, dumbass...etc for no reason. So I countered.
If you consider skipping several groups of mobs cheating, then you're saying skipping any mobs cheating. You are saying that its CHEATING to avoid any pulls ... It is the same thing. Sorry, but your just that really annoying person that ends up pulling the trash us others want to skip just to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> us off. If you do not like skipping things, try getting your own group together, otherwise no one is going to want to group with someone who wants to go threw the PAIN of beating every single mob in every single instance.