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j0rdan99
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So today, i found out which runs i need for my tier 1, so im cleric and went in. Everything was fine. Yet for some reason, everytime a dc item dropped, the entire party " needed " it. And frankly i dont understand their logic. Do they just purely wanna HAMSTER off every cleric that goes?
I do 1 run, 2 DC a TR a GF and a CW.
Damage? GF 1, Me 2, TR 3, CW 4, DC 5
Tanked? Me 1, gf 2 ( This i understand due to aggro )
Heals? Me 1, other cleric? 1.9m heals behind me ( Didnt cast astral shield once in divine mode ) And to prove a point i watch on harmless mobs as our entire party nearly out wiped until i healed.
Now im sorry, if im the guy keeping you alive, im the guy kiting all the adds on the boss since our party see boss and think " DD MUST DD " And still fail. Why on earth would you HAMSTER me off, take the 2 cleric drops, then have the nerve to say " Your decent DC, wanna que with me? " I mean, do some of these people have a brain cell missing?
And i wish i could que with friend,s but the people i joined with are all under 40.
7 dungeons 4 dc drops, i get 0.
I play beholder btw, so for the other servers idk what its like.
And yes, this is me raging
I do 1 run, 2 DC a TR a GF and a CW.
Damage? GF 1, Me 2, TR 3, CW 4, DC 5
Tanked? Me 1, gf 2 ( This i understand due to aggro )
Heals? Me 1, other cleric? 1.9m heals behind me ( Didnt cast astral shield once in divine mode ) And to prove a point i watch on harmless mobs as our entire party nearly out wiped until i healed.
Now im sorry, if im the guy keeping you alive, im the guy kiting all the adds on the boss since our party see boss and think " DD MUST DD " And still fail. Why on earth would you HAMSTER me off, take the 2 cleric drops, then have the nerve to say " Your decent DC, wanna que with me? " I mean, do some of these people have a brain cell missing?
And i wish i could que with friend,s but the people i joined with are all under 40.
7 dungeons 4 dc drops, i get 0.
I play beholder btw, so for the other servers idk what its like.
And yes, this is me raging
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"WTF you doing? That's a DC item."
"It's for my other char/screw you/silence".
/ignore all
/quit.
The game is set up that way, in more ways than one.
Anybody can need it to give to an alt, a friend, their wifes mom..ect..
But most of the time everyone is needed t1 and t2 stuff to sell, because everything is BoE.
When you run a pug, that is the way its going to be...
Only thing do do right now is try to find a group you can run with that will do need before greed, good luck!
This is not about fair play or honor. They are setting the rules, you either play their game or loose. The fun part is when the tables turn and you get an item they suddenly want. You get more then an item, you get leverage. Leverage to trade. Leverage to lord it over the dirty scums head. Or simply leverage to sell on the AH so you can buy what you really want.
The only real way to loose is to not to play the game.
Personally, I hope they get rid of N/G/P system completely. Its a source of more problems then anything.
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They are just playing smart. Yes, it seems kind of jerk-ish to do at first glance. But when everyone is doing it, you hinder yourself by limiting your own loot. Not much we can do about it at this point. Quit the group and look for another party. Only other thing you can do is determine/set the loot rules before getting underway. Everything else relies on Cryptic to change the game mechanics.
I kind of like the equipment being BOE so it can be sold in the AH. Also, you might not totally lose out if nothing for your class drops that run. But I do understand it is very frustrating if you are trying to farm your own gear. I wish they would just combine the need and greed into one "loot" roll. And give characters a hefty bonus to any class specific gear. We will just have to wait and see how they do change it though.
Apolgises, i misunderstood " Freeloader "
Also u can tell it to them directly, "one more need on cleric item and u can play without cleric", then repeat my steps.
Dont forget since u are DC, and most are quiting because of agro etc, u are in high demand, not them. Best way is to use this fact.
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Um, maybe he has a cleric of his own? Maybe he invited you to 'queue' with him because he did nothing wrong except need an item he might have, well, needed for his cleric and he liked you. So you're saying that it is wrong of me to need a CW item as a GF (for my own wizard character) just because I happen to be a guardian fighter during that particular dungeon? If you need something, select need. If you don't care, select greed. If you have no use for it at all, select pass. I seldom 'need' anything, but I am not going to assume that someone is 'needing' an item that they don't need deliberately. Why would you do such a thing? If they need money, go ahead. If they need it for themselves, go ahead. If they need it for a friend, go ahead. If they need it for their guild, god ahead. If they need it for another character, go ahead. That is why it is called 'need'. Sorry for the tone, but the negativity of this forum is getting me down.
if i play my DC i need every DC item and pass on everything else, if i play my GWF i need on all GWF items and pass everything else.
Havent exualy touched greed once in this game, i dont know i think this game is for fun not to get a second job.
But usualy i chat with people durring my dungeon runs, so i can easily tell if they are cool ore not
Beanyundead i understand ure vision about this, but imagine it from a new players view, he has no hero with endgame gear yet and every single upgrade gets "needed" by the entire party that clearly cant use it on there current chars. How would he enjoy the game then? They should adress the way it works imo and fast. Greed is a bad motivator for people
I enjoy pugs for the challenge though, and wouldn't have it any other way.
I would understand this. But in 1 run i think we got 3 purple drops for 3 different classes, and he " needed them all " Makes perfect sense to NEED everything. Of course id understand if this guy was 1 in a bunch, but another 4 runs done ( 4 runs go fine, no dc drops so i have no issues, i pass on everything other than enchantments. This time i talk to my party. Everything going fine, we agreed at start who would get what, so one of our rogues dc's, so before final boss, i go for a quick HAMSTER. I come back, he reconnected and died, and screamed at me calling me everything he possible could. Boss drops a dc item. He needs it for and i quote " You let me die you ****ing **** " And what does the game do? Roll me a 5.
As has been said, it's the game's fault. They are already detecting whether or not you can use an item, why not restrict who can Need on it? It's so obvious it must be an intentional move on behalf of the devs. It's not like WoW's system - which went through all this exact same drama to arrive at its current (balanced) state - isn't already there as a template. But I'm pretty suspicious of PWE's motives now...
Me, I just play decently no matter what others do. It's no big deal anyway, and sometimes people do what you do because you did it. Decency is caught more than it's taught IMO.
You are fundamentally missing the whole point of "Need" looting. In fact you are blurring the meaning of the word "need". You can't "Need" for an Alt, or a character who isn't going to use the item as an upgrade. There is a looting category for that: it's called "Greed". You see? That's why "Greed" was created, so you can defer to those who might "Need" something. You know, honorably.
But this is why "mature" guilds exist. To avoid kids with exactly this obtuse sense of entitlement.
If everyone is like you then we should just get rid of the Greed and Passed then. It's greedy and selfish people like you that make it such a bad community in Neverwinter Online. Never have I been in an MMORPG where people are so selfish Needing on everything and come up with some selfish or lame reason for alt or friends, etc. If you really do need it, just get on your alt to Need for it so you don't ruined it for everyone who party with you.
Next time if I party with you, I guess I Need on all your loot and win it all.
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... or maybe they can just fix it to do what it means?
If your class doesn't need it ... it should be greyed out to you. If it does need it ... you roll. Otherwise you can just click greed or pass.
Not really so hard to understand.
It's simpler than even that - all they have to do is lock out the "Need" button when your class can't use the item (which they are already detecting). That's one line of code.
And like I said, the fact they didn't do that by default makes me suspect they want the situation as it is - for some sort of Zen payback down the line.