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How to solve need/greed problem
yasha00
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Make it so that items cannot be "needed" unless class appropriate. Until that happens everyone should just roll need, that way there is no more grief and everyone gets an equal chance at the loot.
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Also, there needs to be a fix to be able to just kick party members out right from the group at the end of a dungeon so that you can loot the items. (Oh snap!!! Ill say it again, here it comes..... Vote Kick!!) Now my brain hurts after thinking of that new unique system
While you are at it, make the DD Chest sitting at Rhix until you can get your head out of asses and realize there is a serious game hindrance to players when they are straight kicked from party by greedy players.
Yes that is what I meant in the first sentence of my OP. However, while waiting for that functionality (which may well never be implemented) everyone should just roll need on all items in a pug. Just imagine the "greed" choice is not there. That will save you a lot of angst.
before it goes any further, what is Need Greed differences? well for the OP the question I ask
AGREE. How many trouble about drop you can fix with that simple idea?
Im not agree with yasha00. You dont fix anything with that. The cw with your idea, can take one sword, a dague,icon symbol, so whats the difference?
I think it is best if you cannot "need" on items that are not for your class, but at the moment the player can choose to "need" or "greed" . That means that either 1) the devs overlooked the problem this would create or 2) the game is designed so that is is totally fine for anyone to "need" an item.
Since so many people appear to be crying on the forums and in game about this, the best idea given the current game rules is just to "need" on everything you want in a pug, that way you won't be so upset when someone needs on an item for your class after you have passed or greeded on items throughout the run.
Sure, there could be any number of fixes from the devs side, but until that day comes the community just has to deal with what we have been given. Personally, I greed or pass on items my class can't use, but I don't cry if someone "steals" my item. However, as there is so much angst about it I say just need on anything you want and then you won't need to cry so much.
Still, looking at the way the game is set up, I wonder if it was really just designed so that its totally ok to need on non-class specific stuff. Seems a bit of a culture-shock from other mmos but if that is how the devs envisioned it then why not just run with it?
But in general and in principle, I agree with you. I would rather miss out on that rare item that I could use for my ioun stone, than have to worry about the fighter getting TR epic gear. That's happened multiple times... and then conveniently... they say nothing for the rest of the time and quickly exit.
Had it been me as leader, I would have kicked them immediately.
That and the n/g/p interface is a major distraction, bad game design, and needs to go away.
Or.... they can add more choices just for kicks, because giving more choices makes the game better right?
Shift+1 "Need" - Need it
Shift+2 "Want" - Want to have it and could use it on your alt.
Shift+3 "Greed" - Greed to sell it
Shift+4 "Undecided" - Hold the decision until after boss is killed
Shift+5 "Pass" - Pass on it
Shift+6 "Whine" - System will give you a 5% increase chance of dropping an item of your class.
Are you done rolling your face on the keyboard? This makes no sense what so ever. Unproductive reply. Needing on everything would cause the entire pug system to collapse. Then we are left with another MMO where players do not branch out beyond their guild and meet people.
This would not work because then Everyone would just save their NEED rolls for the final bosses. Its not a solution as much as it is more of an enabler and would be a severe waste of Development time.
We need Solutions, ways that help the Class behind the item and stops Ninja looters from being able to take Loot from others. Two easy solutions:
1. Can only NEED on stuff your class can use, otherwise only option is Greed.
2. Vote kick system, so ninja looter can no longer just kick players from Groups at the end of the DD. More players are getting hosed out of their DD Chests because of this.
I believe if these two mechanics were placed in game, then a HUGE chunk of these grouping issues are removed and the hope of a successful party system in an MMO is still there.
2) Epic rolls disable window shortcut Shift+1 (you need to click Need)
3) New option to set auto Greed or Pass on greens.
4) New party looting method Bound on Need:
b) Winning by Need bound the equipment.
Bye bye, ninja looters.
Best answer so far. Makes this whole problem go away easily. Let the game decide what loot you get. Besides with all the varios companions not to mention alts there is little that you cannot use.
Look at the system. It is designed so that anyone can need on any item. Equipment is not BoP so you can trade it or give it to alts. It is totally within the rules and culture of the game to need on any item. While I personally will continue to greed or pass on non-class specific items I don't think players should be kicked or shunned for doing something that the game is essentially set up for.
I can tell from your insulting post that you are the type to have a cry and whine on the forum about this issue. Until the rules are changed, the solution to your angst is either to just play by the rules and need on whatever you want, or to be strong enough to follow your morals (inherited from other games with different rules/culture) and greed/pass WITHOUT crying about other people simply playing the game as designed.
But hope is on the way, as the state of the game on 23 May said "•Party Loot issues (better allowing players to win the items they legitimately need)". Will be interesting to see what happens.
The problem is that you can sell everything on the AH or gear your alts , untill this thing change there is nothing you can do about people rolling need on everything . I blame the dev team .
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And class balances.... trololollol.