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vylker
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I really like my GF dwarf, but we have a serious problem, we are USELESS, simple as that.
Most of my guildmates never invite me to their group, they prefer to have a TR or CW instead of me, I understand that,
most times with a GF in a group we cant beat the last boss in T2 dungeons, they prefer some DPS.
I tried as a Conqueror, as a Protector, many specs, nothing seems to help my group in something, broken taunt, low damage, a tottaly broken class. Shall I hope for a fix soon?? Devs???
I really like my GF dwarf, but we have a serious problem, we are USELESS, simple as that.
Most of my guildmates never invite me to their group, they prefer to have a TR or CW instead of me, I understand that,
most times with a GF in a group we cant beat the last boss in T2 dungeons, they prefer some DPS.
I tried as a Conqueror, as a Protector, many specs, nothing seems to help my group in something, broken taunt, low damage, a tottaly broken class. Shall I hope for a fix soon?? Devs???
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You're welcome to party with me anytime.
Would suggest looking for a more flexible set of friends or guild/clan.
Yes some classes are more broken than others,but the current content is still playable and I might add beatable with one of each class in a party.
Although my useless dwarf still will be useless...
Yah..... but i bet he looks good though. A GF dwarf in full plate appears brutal in every way. Shame it doesn't translate to functionality..
Dwarf ? Now we see the real problem . if you was an Orc they would not only invite you they would follow your every whim .
My tags @Nepht
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
I don't know what fantasy world you live in.. clearly not Toril.
Watch your DPS skyrocket and your Guardian toon actually be useful.
They need to fix the aggro problems asap. It's been weeks and still no fix to the messed up aggro system in this game. All we get is a promise from the lead producer that they'll fix it... eventually. They also need to nerf Astral Shield double stacking so that tanks are actually needed in this game instead of everyone using 2 Clerics for easy mode gameplay.
Thats the exact equipment and build i have with my GF. Doesn't seem to have any influence whatsoever on accessing end game dungeons though. ... Until melee units are essential to high lvl group play it makes zero difference what your wearing.
Agreed. In what universe does class balance become a low priority? People will play through most bugs, but if the class they like is useless in the game they will walk.
Nope. The big problem is that the game doesn't need tanking.
Groups that like to just boot you for being a GF don't normally wait to inspect you
GF role is still to tank, but you will be able to do it much better if you maximize your AOE damage potential. I use Lungingstrike, Enforced threat, and Frontline surge for my encounters. Cleave and threatening rush for at-wills, Villains and fighter's recovery for daily, and Enhanced mark and combat superiority for passives.
I more or less take point on runs, rush in, aoe taunt, drop villain's menace, and start cleaving away, using enforced threat on CD. Lunging strike and Frontline surge are there for utility and added dps. I have very little problems keeping threat on me for the first 10 seconds or so of each encounter. After that most of the minions are down and its time to focus on one thing at a time anyways.
Also stats don't take into account control. the easiest way to suddenly boost your dmg as a GF is to cleave mobs when they get singularitied by a CW. Suddenly you do tons of DPS but in reality it's the CW that matters not you. Also ppl don't get dmg stats for knocking things off ledges to their doom which is a much better way to clear trash than a GF AoEing it.
Bottom line is 2DC, 2CW TR or 2DC 3CW is always quicker and easier than a party with a GF (or GWF) unless the GF has a large gear advantage over one of the above.
Yes! 100% agree. If you have no cw or a bad cw, gf damage is pretty awful.
On the techniques on how to get the mobs even as a protector, use everything that generates threats.
Enforced Threat, Shield Charge (I don't know what it is called but its a charging attack that marks the nearby targets), Mark Target.
You don't need to worry about damaging. All you got to do is tank those sumbitc~
Only time I don't have threatening rush is if I'm tanking boss and want to debuff boss with Iron Tide for TR damage boost.
There is a major downfall to being a tank though, and you may only know this is you have a cleric alt. Healing mechanics in this game are not suited to single target heals, single target healing is a ***** for a cleric. It is SOOO much easier to just AoE your little heart out and heal the entire group which is why you see groups for T2's consisiting of 2 clerics and 3 dps.
The Threat build is in the tactician line, and until there is a fix, that is where you need to look if your looking for a real tank. I think there are some hybrid threat builds on the forums here if you want a mix for some added staying power, but do know that it is NOT a satisfying solo build. A Conq will push right though farming his mobs, where a tact needs to swing for a few more minutes lol, but its gear dependant. People are all used to "threat being broken" so they don't think of tanks.....threat can still be managed, but people don't build for it.
It's a decision of how you want to play your GF, if you want threat, you have to HAVE TO, build for it (tactician)....but it is going to dampen those big numbers. I still usually get the most kills, am 3rd or 4th on DPS...but my parties enjoy the control in the dungeons.
Hope it helps a little
Best Wishes!
This. And in regards to threat generation, I'm perfectly happy with my Conquerer setup. If you are talking WoW style threat mechanics where all trash just goes to player in the room with the overall highest threat (yawn), then this isnt how the mechanic works. You'll need to go grab those other adds or let your dps handle them.
I've cleared every T2 dungeon fast with the right group mix. I generally take 2/3rds of the overall dmg looking at the counters, unless there is a GWF in group in which case I drop to just above 50%.
You can clear every tier 2 dungeon (with just one cleric) by building either as dps-tank or as utility-tank. Look around try stuff and try to think about your build. Once you have taken a certain build try to think how you should handle a boss with your build.
A few ppl say that GFs and/or GWF are actually great and work really well etc etc but the vast majority of ppl don't agree. They are considered a class of last resort by a lot of ppl, given a free choice and if you aren't struggling to get into groups you're probably queuing with friends / guildies. Also the ppl saying the classes are great in dungeons are often (although maybe not always) GFs or GWFs who probably haven't had a chance to try a dungeon without a GF or GWF being there
EDIT: Talking about epic content btw where block is pretty much useless beyond avoiding the effects of a red circle you can't escape cause you're slow and can't dodge and you can't risk getting hit for long before you evaporate unless your daily is up to lifesteal like a beast (then run after if stuff's still alive and not being controlled
CW is the only class you need in this game pretty much.
Yes, yes everything is doable without them, etc, etc, but CW's with their instant daily refills and perma aoe CC are to blame for everything.
It's not that any of the classes is useless when looked upon on its own.
It's just that CW's (and especially when well played) are way too useful.
The one and only reason why the game isn't DC+4xCW just yet, is that TR's single target dmg is good enough for now.
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Tactician works good, it does good threat, but i played all 3 builds, none is better than an other to hold threat. I wouldn't say tactician is the way to go. There's no such threat build, you can manage to hold threat in all 3 specs with the right set of power and a party willing to assist you.
I've done all the content as a conqueror GF with frontline surge/into the fray/enforced threat/trample the fallen/villain menace, it's ridiculously easy to hold threat with a CW using Arcane singularity. I've done most of the content as tactician with supremacy of steel, knight valor combo, and i could be able to do all of it. My experience make me feel conqueror has a slight advantage, but your mileage may vary. Glad to see someone having success with it.
I run with a guild group, and we clear any T2, including CN and Dread Vault. One of the permanent spots in the group is a GF. He pumps out as much damage as a CW in full T2 set. Useful to charging in any group, no matter how big. We often pull 2-3 groups at a time. Useful on bosses as single dps. Useful in CN for gathering Red Mages and tossing them over to the CW. Useful in Dread Vault by tossing adds over the side, and grabbing aggro of stragglers annoying the range dps.
In other words, GF is perfectly viable for any T2, much more so than a GWF. You just have to play it right. If you are playing, gearing, slotting, speccing the GF as a Tank, then it is a fail. You need to think of yourself as a DPS character with taunt utility, buffs, debuffs, etc...
That however may or may not change after the next update. We shall see.
That is totally an exaggerated opinion that was started maybe by someone struggling in T2 content, and it spiraled out of control in this forum.
My group consists of 1GF, 1DC, 1TR, 1CW. The 5th spot is filled with either another CW or another TR depending on who is available. Never did we run with 2DCs, and never did we run without the GF. Our last CN run took exactly 1hour 40minute, one shotted every boss including Draco. And that was a Pre-Clear, so we couldnt even knock any mobs off the sides throughout the run. So there is no way you can convince me, that taking a GF in ANY T2 is a liability or a drag.