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nwobrock
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The tide of public opinion has risen against the Great Weapon Fighter.
It doesn't matter if you can get 18-20 million damage in T2.
It doesn't matter if you always have the most enemies slain in every dungeon.
The forums say GWF is a terrible, useless, throwaway class and all the lame-brains believe it.
This is the third night in a row I have tried for multiple hours to get into a Castle Never group only to be kicked out before even getting to warm my bones by the entrance campfire.
At one point, I thought I had actually made it. 1 DC 1 CW 2TR and me 1GWF. I thought this looked like a pretty solid group. But no, I was kicked. I asked why. The answer? "We'd rather get a different class."
This is just absurd. If any any point a group can say, "why should we take a GWF when we can have two of ANYTHING ELSE?" then the problem has reached critical mass.
What we have here is a situation in which public opinion has destroyed the ability of some classes to play the game. I am fine with the way GWF is balanced. It IS useful, it DOES fulfill a purpose...people just get told it doesn't and they are scared to learn anything for themselves.
In this case, PWE's only option...if they want to save GWF...is to make it so retardedly OP in the next patch that public opinion gets reversed. People need to say, "Holy donkey balls! GWF is so amazing, we can't do this dungeon without one!"
Then that needs to spread on the forums so people stop auto-kicking every GWF they see from their groups.
After public opinion has been reversed the GWF would, of course, need to be toned back down to normal levels and have it rebalanced so that public opinion doesn't falter again.
If they don't do this GWF is finished as a class. They could just remove it from the game and let all the current GWF convert their character to a different class.
EVERY class needs to be desirable. EVERY class needs to be able to get into groups.
This is not, "Wizards and Rogues Online".
It doesn't matter if you can get 18-20 million damage in T2.
It doesn't matter if you always have the most enemies slain in every dungeon.
The forums say GWF is a terrible, useless, throwaway class and all the lame-brains believe it.
This is the third night in a row I have tried for multiple hours to get into a Castle Never group only to be kicked out before even getting to warm my bones by the entrance campfire.
At one point, I thought I had actually made it. 1 DC 1 CW 2TR and me 1GWF. I thought this looked like a pretty solid group. But no, I was kicked. I asked why. The answer? "We'd rather get a different class."
This is just absurd. If any any point a group can say, "why should we take a GWF when we can have two of ANYTHING ELSE?" then the problem has reached critical mass.
What we have here is a situation in which public opinion has destroyed the ability of some classes to play the game. I am fine with the way GWF is balanced. It IS useful, it DOES fulfill a purpose...people just get told it doesn't and they are scared to learn anything for themselves.
In this case, PWE's only option...if they want to save GWF...is to make it so retardedly OP in the next patch that public opinion gets reversed. People need to say, "Holy donkey balls! GWF is so amazing, we can't do this dungeon without one!"
Then that needs to spread on the forums so people stop auto-kicking every GWF they see from their groups.
After public opinion has been reversed the GWF would, of course, need to be toned back down to normal levels and have it rebalanced so that public opinion doesn't falter again.
If they don't do this GWF is finished as a class. They could just remove it from the game and let all the current GWF convert their character to a different class.
EVERY class needs to be desirable. EVERY class needs to be able to get into groups.
This is not, "Wizards and Rogues Online".
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Guess we could always join a guild and hope they are bros and let us come to t1/t2 dungeons.
I mean control wizzard giga black hole ontop of GWF ====> mean machine style? keep aggro of cleric ====> cleric gonna love u big time
People fail to realise what the R in ARPG-MMO stands for and clearly everybody has a roll to play some just fail to realise how rolles synergy's....
Give CW A GWF buddy and u can laugh at the splashfest....i should create a threat about the big R ?
Edit : just wanted to give an example of a failed R attempt, yesterday i ran gray wolves den with my 42 cleric, we have a GWF in our team and he used all single dps powers, i told him 10 times "this aint pvp, ure add control in dungeons", obviuesly i told team "we wont kill boss" after 5 min in the dungeon
The only class that can never go wrong doing anything durring a fight would be TR, is he downing the boss GREAT, is he killing elite mobs why not, is he killing adds "mmmmkay"...
GF/GWF are totaly viable endgame, but it depends on ure control wizard pretty much how good u wil be, and its defenetly not as easy for CW then mobs ==> cliff ==> done.
the factors that make opinion is the community and the player who build the class itself, no matter what class there is. if seen GWF that powerful enough to cover me, as a DC, so I can easily healing everyone else, but there also GWF that build as loner, this goes to all class too. there is good Guide at class thread, but the problem is some people chose to ignore it, build as if it was at any other MMO, and the worst thing is, blame the game if the build wrong and force devs to change it the way they want to, this is what happen to all classes on the game. some other players thought that always bothering me is "good in PvP means good in PVE if not it is bad" and "adds/mobs only class is not needed, boss killer is a must", in the result the conclusion lead to, "adds in bosses is too much annoying and should be removed".
there are many player that been warn about R factor in so many thread, the problem, they still ignore it. well, this kind of thread, about class balancing and else, will still come and go as long as some player cant accept 2 things:
1. this is D&D class style, not any other MMO class
2. the game basis is strictly RPG, means any class have different Role in the game.
I'm in a guild... Right now we're running people through T1/T2 trying to get them ready for Castle Never.
Also, not everyone is always on all the time... All classes should be able to queue up and get into dungeons.
I understand being kicked. No cleric? I get it, no argument from me.
But if I get get kicked from a group because they'd rather have 3TR than 2TR and a GWF we have a problem.
I knew playing this game would bring out some of the dredge but ******* lol
I honestly don't get it- in a game where 90% of pulls or more have 5+ monsters, the class with the highest aoe damage isn't welcome? Entirely on the people whining about GWFs before any of them had even hit 60 and geared up.
They don't have the highest AoE damage and they have no means to CC/group/hold hate.
Yeah, sadly Wizards quite honestly do add management in a way that GWF's can't really stack up to.
Of course, part of this is because aggro calculations are complete nonsense right now, so there's no way to reliably get the mobs to actually pay any attention to us...but they'll always congregate around a Singularity pulling them in.
Spellplague has a ton of mobs to fight and a ton of mobs that do knockbacks or insta-kill moves (for a TR). It's very easy to be ahead on GWF or neck/neck until the last boss.
edit: what i'm saying is it a TR isn't spending all its time DPSing unlike GWF who can hit Unstoppable and just sit there.
For now, do make use of that blacklist, it's there for a reason. don't think a reasonable party would kick you, you just got "lucky" with a bunch of immature brats and people who don't know better.
Also, everyone says GWF=AOE damage. Well, CWs have insane AOE damage and noone cares about trash anyway. Bosses: I'd rather have 2 CW chaining black holes/repels/shields etc, than a 2 GWF trying to kill insane amounts of boss trash.
Yes, kicking GWFs on sight is excessive, but do remember it was the Devs who decided to nerf the GWF DPS contribution enough that now CW out-shine them in almost every way with the HUGE advantages of range and control abilities........
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I agree with you. This is what my entire post was about.
The only way to get GWF back into the game is to go way overboard and buff it so hard until it is the most OP thing anyone has ever seen.
People have to start saying, "We NEED a GWF or we will not be able to do this dungeon". Once that sentiment has made the rounds tone the GWF back down to what it SHOULD be. An AoE DPS class specializing in add clearing.
1. Make GWF untargetable during Sprint (like every other class when they use Shift...except, of course, GF block..which stops damage)
2. Increase damage of AoE attacks per target over 4 by some percent.
3. Decrease damage of AoE attacks per target under 4 by some percent (this damage increase/reduction should not affect single target abilities like Flourish and Takedown and the first 3 swings of Sure Strike)
4. Increase Determination gain so the GWF is not at 10% hp when its finally full
5. Make Roar a Taunt that wipes current aggro table and adds aggro to GWF
I've leveled my GWF alt just to prove naysayers that its not so bad. Got it in T1+ gear and guess what? GWF is absolutely HORRIBLE at PvE heroics. Its quite nice at pvp, but will never come close to kill a cleric that knows where Astral Shield is, but GWF have no future in PvE in current state, the damage it does is indeed pathetic.