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CW need a nerf.... bad.
master447
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
CW's need a range nerf and cooldown increase IMO and only allow 1 of them to a team, ive played countless games with 3+ CW's on a team and there is just nothing you can do to counter it, they all just stunlock then move to the next victom, and there range is stupid far i mean that makes no sense and as a TR i cant even get close to them even with stealth because as soo as i dash behind them the coke/push/tornado me and im dead......
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What you're experiencing is called "teamwork," and it's how you survive in PVP. Try going solo and you're toast.
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^ Teamwork is the keyword here. Ive been in "OP" teams with 2 clerics and 3 cws who were wiped because of crappy teamwork. And on the other side of the coin ive been in a group with nothing but GF's and GWF's and wiped the floor with the other team who had all the "ideal" classes.
WHat degraafination says is true. I also play a CW at level 60 and in PvP, i fall to TRs, FDs, and GWFs, and sometimes Clerics going at them 1v1. Here is what I have experienced durign my PvP against the classes during many...many PvP sessions and yes they were all 1v1.
Trickster Rogues
1. TRs are not affected by any AoEs tht I use if they are stealthed, except Singularity and Icy Terrain. I have used other spells and they always come out without damage or just can't target them because they are stealthed.
2.TRs can teleport long distances to reach a CW, who by the way has the shortest teleports of all classes to try to get away.
3. TRs can remain stealthed the entire time they attack and kill me. Confirmed by other players trying to reach me while I was fighting and falling to TRs.
Fighter Defenders
1. Their blocking has no cooldowns (or so I have been told by various FD players)
2. Can block the fallowing spells, Magic missile, Freezing Ray, Chill Strike, Conduit of Ice, Entangling Force, Repel, Steal Time, Ice Knife, Steal Time, and I think Ray of Enfeeblement, but not sure on that. Arcane Singularity can ffect them but if they time thir rush right, they can ge away and hit you from an extremely long distance.
3. They rush at you knocking you down, hit you, then repeat knocking you down and hitting you until your dead.
4. even though they seem a horse lengths away, they can still hit you with thier sword
Some of those spells blocked shouldnt be blocked, like
Conduit of Ice - just doesnt make sense it hit any part of you and should affect you
Repel - pushes you away with little damage)
Time Steal - is mind affecting not a blast or ray
Ice Knife - it falls from the sky and is huge and the defender is only blockign what is in front of them
Great Weapon Fighter
1. Can be nearly unstoppable with ther rage ability, almost all controlling spells don't work on them (see most spells in above in DF).
2. Can hit you with their weird mutlpile angle attack and then just wail on you until you die.
3. their shout can disable your ability to cast spells for a time.
4. They may seem to be 2 horse lenghts away but somehow still hit you with their swings.
Cleric
Can be a toss up, i have faced some clerics one on one and defeat them, while others have defeated me.
@ Original poster
its a PvP, of course players CWs or whatever class there may be, will team up against you. You either stick with friendlies or try 1v1 against a CW, and make sure you can play your class correctly..key word here is correctly and you should win 8-9 times out of ten against CWs. I say 8-9 times out of ten, because some of those players are extremely good at being CWs.
Exactly. GFs are great counters to CWs.
You shouldn't be using Deft Strike haphazardly as well. Rogues who open with Deft Strike on me generally die. Most players by the 2x bracket know that Deft Strike is usually followed by Daze, which makes it extremely easy to dodge.
Sounds to me like you're rushing headfirst into the CW's and expecting a kill.
Cleary a "l2p" issue here.
Seriously you're just bad. I'm sick of TRs that sit at range and spam their knife throwing attack just to proc enhantments. Why do TRs even have a ranged attack. Oh and nerf your smoke bomb while you're at it since I can't even dodge out of it.
L2P and stop making ridiculous nerf posts just because you can't play the most powerful PvP class correctly.
Seriously, this. I'm tired of seeing people who choose a class because they see it's the best PvP class and when they suck at it they come on the forums and whine because they can't just face roll anyone.
^ Omg yes. They drive me bonkers for sure lol
We have a ranged attack because we need a range attack. We don't have the armor/defense of the other melee classes and in dungeons we can't do anything to a boss with constant AOE attacks. In PvP it allows us to sit on a capture point and fight back against a CW who refuses to come into the circle, but will stun you from so far away you can't hit him. In that situation, if we didn't a ranged attack we would either have to use teleport (which takes the place of better utility/damage-dealing powers) or chase after the CW (who will just blink away); leaving the circle vulnerable.
The knives are quick and hit decently hard, but they have limited charges and are really only useful for finishing off an enemy who's running away.
It cant be real that the enemys get 2 Clerics 2CWs and a trickster while u run around with just melee classes.
It isnt how they perform in PvP that Cryptic cares about. I swear I wont go into a dungeon without a CW on my team ^__^
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All the TR's ive seen are heavy stealth users and throwing knives usually is their opener. They make us CW's waste dodges while throwing knives and stealthing then when the time is right they use the daily or teleport behind and chop us up. With the TR's I've fought against, (the good ones anyway), I do NOT see them coming, they normally hit during the chaos of their other members throwing skills so they go un noticed and jump around causing havoc to all our squishy folks. There are some who have insane resistance to cc i think and that skill lock is bloody hell for me.
I agree with the others in this thread that it comes down to a L2P issue (god i hate that saying, but its true in this case)
1.) You have to know the class and class mechanics and have a playstyle that fits you within that class.
2.) You have to constantly keep your gear upgraded cause others are always doing that.
3.) Luck of the draw with groups...that is the main factor it is luck of the draw with groups... you may have one match where you are totally dominating the other team to where they cant hardly keep any obelisks... then in the next breath the next match you are in you get with the worst bunch of noobs that dont know their elbow from their knee.
Not to sound mean but you sound like you are not playing within your playstyle and you dont know your Elbow from your knee all rolled into one so If I was you I would rethink what you may be doing wrong before you start yelling who and what should be nerfed cause most "Imbalanced" issues are not with the game it is with the people who control the character.
But just my two cents. Take it or leave it. Ciao
Absolutely. The throwing knives are a good opener against ranged classes, because closing that gap can be hell if you don't have the teleport ability. And even if you do, teleporting out of a capture node in order to attack some wizard who's just going to blink away is dumb. Personally, I think stealth is sort of a drag in PvP because enemies can still see a red radius around your character if they targetted you BEFORE popping it. It's great if you actually manage to sneak up on someone, but if your already in a fight, then it's pretty much useless. Not to mention the fact that unless you've got a stealth-based build, it drains so quickly you can't do much more than hit with one of your high-damage encounter abilities.
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