You do know in SWtoR even with a premium sub , you still have to buy inventory space and back pack space with real money ?
The only thing you get in SWtoR that we do not already have here for free is the respecs . Heck even if you want to respec without going to the droid , you have to pay real money to buy your own respec droid , per character . I do not see why people complain here .
No fee for raids here , no fee to use auction house , no fee to be able to have companions , no fee to do PvP Q's . the list of what you pay to do in SWtoR is long . You need to sub just to be able to play that game . Not here . NW truly is free to play .
Wrong. I have a sub in SWTOR and i only have to use ingame Credits to unlock more storage space.
I don't have to pay to unlock anything in that game. I can go do raids (OPs) or hard modes all day long.
I get 650 cartel points every month to spend in their cash shop.
You're basically wrong in everything else you say.
Try harder next time you wanna act cool and you know, smart'like on a forum, or at least get properly educated on the subject you're discussing.
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sign me up for a reasonable (15) monthly fee that removes the annoying micro transactions (like respecs). I would sign up in no time flat.
Worth noting I'd gladly fork over 15 a month provided the game is keeping my interest, I will NOT fork over 6 dollars to respec my toon once (aside from the one time at 60), because it's ridiculous. For those of us that are interested in this service microtransactions will not make you more money. Honestly it feels like being nickel and dimed to death, which really makes the game feel cheap.
Wrong. I have a sub in SWTOR and i only have to use ingame Credits to unlock more storage space.
I don't have to pay to unlock anything in that game. I can go do raids (OPs) or hard modes all day long.
I get 650 cartel points every month to spend in their cash shop.
You're basically wrong in everything else you say.
Try harder next time you wanna act cool and you know, smart'like on a forum, or at least get properly educated on the subject you're discussing.
You have a SUB ! try playing without one . You are the problem here . You were most likely playing SWtoR before it went free to play . You kept your sub because the free to play accounts have a LIMIT of 1 million credits . You would of lost all your credits to go to free to play . So you have never tried it . With a cap of 1 million , you can only buy the added bank space twice on each character , after that it cost over 1 million . And for 15 bucks a month they give you 6dollars and 50 cents worth of cashshop currency , what a deal . free players can only do 3 warzones a week . free players can only do one dungeon a week , not one of each , just one . What you pay for with your sub is to play the game . free accounts cant even use the baazar or the mail box without buying unlocks in the cash shop . Go make a free SWtoR account , and see how awesome NW truly is .
And BTW my dark malgus statue says I have played SWtoR both at launch and on a free account .
You mean a sub like CO and STO? Those games where made before Perfect World took over both began life as PtP. Neverwinter on the other hand is a by the numbers Perfect World game. There will be no PtP system.
Not gonna happen.
There is reason why modern MMOs are F2P, its simply brings MORE money.
Going to repost a link here that I found the other day, since I often see this claim about F2P but I'm not sure it's true. F2P will certainly bring in more money if you can't hold onto your subscribers, but is that true if you have a game people are happy with?
For instance PWE who's main business is F2P, their profits were DOWN by 67% in the last quarter reported. "Perfect World posted a profit of CNY86.4 million ($13.9 million),"
How about they keep the cash shop as is, and add a subscription option similar to RIFT's upcoming "Patron" status for $15/month, with the following perks for subscribers:
(these are copied from RIFT but slightly modified to fit Neverwinter) Extra Currency - Earn +15% more currency (gold/AD)
Convenience Summons - Instant access to Banker, Guild Banker, Vendor (with cooldown)
Mount speed - Travel faster with +10% mount speed
Store Discount - Get 10% off all zen purchases in zen shop
Bonus Tokens - Daily Boost to chance of bounty token/orb drops
Bonus XP - Daily XP boost
Bonus Glory - Daily Glory gain boost
Priority Queue - Shards full? Go to front of the line.
Loyalty - Get rewards periodically the longer you subscribe for (costumes, keys, elixirs, teleport scrolls, etc).
Obviously PWE won't copy Trion directly, but a similar system would be a nice addition to the game for people who want to support Neverwinter on a subscription level. They can still sell account unlocks a la cart like character slots, mounts, and extra bag space and stuff, and it wouldn't interfere with the subscription model. Players won't lose anything substantial if they decide not to subscribe, but will be rewarded with extra convenience perks if they do.
Allowing me sub would net them 15 bucks monthly, not allowing me to will probably net 1 respec per character at 60 and that's it. I won't drop another penny on this game, and that's off principle more than anything else it is not a matter of being able to afford it or not.
I don't see how allowing people to choose to pay 15 bucks a month for a "free to play" game is a bad business model. I assure you they will not make more money off me via there Free to play model. I'm still struggling with the idea that opening their model up to the choice of F2p or subs with premium features wouldn't net them more cash in the end. I know I'm not even close to the only one that feels this way.
How about they keep the cash shop as is, and add a subscription option similar to RIFT's upcoming "Patron" status for $15/month, with the following perks for subscribers:
(these are copied from RIFT but slightly modified to fit Neverwinter) Extra Currency - Earn +15% more currency (gold/AD)
Convenience Summons - Instant access to Banker, Guild Banker, Vendor (with cooldown)
Mount speed - Travel faster with +10% mount speed
Store Discount - Get 10% off all zen purchases in zen shop
Bonus Tokens - Daily Boost to chance of bounty token/orb drops
Bonus XP - Daily XP boost
Bonus Glory - Daily Glory gain boost
Priority Queue - Shards full? Go to front of the line..
And people complain here about the HotN spider mounts being pay to win. Mount faster than f2p players can ever get? Faster xp and glory?
Did you think at all about what you suggested, or do you just think that Cryptic/PWE (and maybe the forum-goers) are stupid?
You pay $15/month and get $30.00 worth of Zen? So that down the road you can just stop spending that money and have all of that Zen saved up? And then when/if you run out, you just start sending them $15/month again and get $30.00 worth of Zen out of it?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
The way to make it work is to lock people in to long-term deals and then they can give them a little something extra because of the larger sum paid up front.
Make people pay for 6 months or a year, for example, and give them a small amount of bonus Zen or a few predetermined items from the Zen and/or AD store for free.
Maybe just give them a handful of ADs to go along with the Zen, then they can use that to buy more Zen or buy their own stuff from the AD store.
They could even throw in an increase to the number of rough ADs that you could refine for the length of the deal.
Lots of little things like that that they could do, but to give double, or even 150% of the Zen value just for a month to month 'sub'? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Whip your card out and buy 180 worth of zen. Spend or budget them accordingly.
SUB - What if you go on vacation for the summer and don't play? You spent 45 dollars for nothing if you use a sub. 3x15=45
NONSUB - You spent 0.
Some months you might play for 2 days and other months you might play 28 days.
Some people like to budget and don't want to spend a lump sum. What's wrong with choice? What I and (I suspect the other people complaining about the F2P structure) don't like is being stung for every little thing. $6 per respec is way over the top if you're someone that likes to experiment with builds. The idea is that with a sub that sort of thing is included so that you can respec to your heart's content for your $15.
You say you want to support the game that's awesome, I'd love to support the game as well but do you really need zen to play hahahahaha it seems like to many people are asking for this simply because they're to lazy to get around with out it, it's pretty sad to see.
Whip your card out and buy 180 worth of zen. Spend or budget them accordingly.
The sub shouldn't award free zen, at most just a small discount to the zen shop. Instead, a sub could simply provide various small convenience perks, and be completely optional, while providing some cosmetic rewards for loyalty. People would still be able to buy zen on top of these subs for the same things that they are already selling on the zen shop.
These subs also don't need to be recurring, PWE could sell them in various sizes 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, 3 month, etc. You could get a better deal with the longer subs, but you if you want to just get some perks for 3 days and bang out a solid weekend of gameplay you have that option.
You say you want to support the game that's awesome, I'd love to support the game as well but do you really need zen to play hahahahaha it seems like to many people are asking for this simply because they're to lazy to get around with out it, it's pretty sad to see.
You denagrate the very ppl paying the salaries of the ppl creating the game you play for free.
No, you are more than welcome however to take 2 months to get a mount, 3 month to get bags for 1 character and another month to buy a companion that doesn't get 1-shot. After all that maybe pick up 1 profession pack a month till you can actually make use of your trade skills, which don't have a use till level 20, and then only for 2 items that require a full set of purple tools.
Well the respec for $6.00 in this game is absurd and that's putting it lightly. Respecs should cost $1.00 or be put in the game for gold. I laugh every single time I open the store and see a respec for $6.00 and then next to it a perma-character slot for $5.00.
There is only one problem with this. Unless players get off the $15 a month trip, no game is going to make a decent profit, and the F2P will remain king. $15 is what everyone paid in the 90's. Account for inflation and you get an accurate amount on how much we really need to pay. A rough calculation in some inflation calculators resulted in around $22. Now that is a ballpark idea as to how much any game needs to charge to stay in the break-even mark, and that's with a decent amount of subscribers. There still needs to be a store to make it viable.
I think this is a good idea - but didn't PWE say that the game would have no subscription options? I think they said this to make the game fully free to play, but I personally never had a problem with the optional subscription thing, so long as subscriptions weren't required for content (cough cough LOTRO)
A sub would be nice and with four accounts, (my wife, kids, and myself) thats alot of money going to the devs pocket. Plus you figure there will still be those times when you see something you'd like to have on the store and need to toss out a little more on. It worked well for DDO for a while, then they just went stupid and kept bringing out nothing but non fuctional companion pets to follow you around. Thats about the time I stopped paying for a sub to them.
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It comes down to very basic thing for me #1 Im not going to pay to play a game thats Free to play but i could careless for those who do if people are willing to pay $15 for a subscription Cryptic needs to cater to it , and use it for more content for me...
I have 1 care when they offer a pay for anything model , its Can they do more damage than me in PvP , if not then I could careless...
I dont care if they level faster , I dont care if they move faster , I dont care if they have a easier time , I dont care if they get currency , I dont care if they look cooler , I dont care if they get something I don't have , its about PvP thats what the end game is for these games , the PvP anyone else is just a casual , and there going to whine about anything.....
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Wrong. I have a sub in SWTOR and i only have to use ingame Credits to unlock more storage space.
I don't have to pay to unlock anything in that game. I can go do raids (OPs) or hard modes all day long.
I get 650 cartel points every month to spend in their cash shop.
You're basically wrong in everything else you say.
Try harder next time you wanna act cool and you know, smart'like on a forum, or at least get properly educated on the subject you're discussing.
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Worth noting I'd gladly fork over 15 a month provided the game is keeping my interest, I will NOT fork over 6 dollars to respec my toon once (aside from the one time at 60), because it's ridiculous. For those of us that are interested in this service microtransactions will not make you more money. Honestly it feels like being nickel and dimed to death, which really makes the game feel cheap.
You have a SUB ! try playing without one . You are the problem here . You were most likely playing SWtoR before it went free to play . You kept your sub because the free to play accounts have a LIMIT of 1 million credits . You would of lost all your credits to go to free to play . So you have never tried it . With a cap of 1 million , you can only buy the added bank space twice on each character , after that it cost over 1 million . And for 15 bucks a month they give you 6dollars and 50 cents worth of cashshop currency , what a deal . free players can only do 3 warzones a week . free players can only do one dungeon a week , not one of each , just one . What you pay for with your sub is to play the game . free accounts cant even use the baazar or the mail box without buying unlocks in the cash shop . Go make a free SWtoR account , and see how awesome NW truly is .
And BTW my dark malgus statue says I have played SWtoR both at launch and on a free account .
Not gonna happen.
There is reason why modern MMOs are F2P, its simply brings MORE money.
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Going to repost a link here that I found the other day, since I often see this claim about F2P but I'm not sure it's true. F2P will certainly bring in more money if you can't hold onto your subscribers, but is that true if you have a game people are happy with?
For instance PWE who's main business is F2P, their profits were DOWN by 67% in the last quarter reported. "Perfect World posted a profit of CNY86.4 million ($13.9 million),"
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...11-711599.html
Perhaps not that successful a business model after all?
(these are copied from RIFT but slightly modified to fit Neverwinter)
Extra Currency - Earn +15% more currency (gold/AD)
Convenience Summons - Instant access to Banker, Guild Banker, Vendor (with cooldown)
Mount speed - Travel faster with +10% mount speed
Store Discount - Get 10% off all zen purchases in zen shop
Bonus Tokens - Daily Boost to chance of bounty token/orb drops
Bonus XP - Daily XP boost
Bonus Glory - Daily Glory gain boost
Priority Queue - Shards full? Go to front of the line.
Loyalty - Get rewards periodically the longer you subscribe for (costumes, keys, elixirs, teleport scrolls, etc).
Obviously PWE won't copy Trion directly, but a similar system would be a nice addition to the game for people who want to support Neverwinter on a subscription level. They can still sell account unlocks a la cart like character slots, mounts, and extra bag space and stuff, and it wouldn't interfere with the subscription model. Players won't lose anything substantial if they decide not to subscribe, but will be rewarded with extra convenience perks if they do.
Burninator of Wasabiburn, Maker of Dreamz, Breaker of Heartz
I don't see how allowing people to choose to pay 15 bucks a month for a "free to play" game is a bad business model. I assure you they will not make more money off me via there Free to play model. I'm still struggling with the idea that opening their model up to the choice of F2p or subs with premium features wouldn't net them more cash in the end. I know I'm not even close to the only one that feels this way.
And people complain here about the HotN spider mounts being pay to win. Mount faster than f2p players can ever get? Faster xp and glory?
You want a bonus? Why do you deserve a bonus?
Did you think at all about what you suggested, or do you just think that Cryptic/PWE (and maybe the forum-goers) are stupid?
You pay $15/month and get $30.00 worth of Zen? So that down the road you can just stop spending that money and have all of that Zen saved up? And then when/if you run out, you just start sending them $15/month again and get $30.00 worth of Zen out of it?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
The way to make it work is to lock people in to long-term deals and then they can give them a little something extra because of the larger sum paid up front.
Make people pay for 6 months or a year, for example, and give them a small amount of bonus Zen or a few predetermined items from the Zen and/or AD store for free.
Maybe just give them a handful of ADs to go along with the Zen, then they can use that to buy more Zen or buy their own stuff from the AD store.
They could even throw in an increase to the number of rough ADs that you could refine for the length of the deal.
Lots of little things like that that they could do, but to give double, or even 150% of the Zen value just for a month to month 'sub'? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Quit asking for subs.
15 x 12= 180
Whip your card out and buy 180 worth of zen. Spend or budget them accordingly.
SUB - What if you go on vacation for the summer and don't play? You spent 45 dollars for nothing if you use a sub. 3x15=45
NONSUB - You spent 0.
Some months you might play for 2 days and other months you might play 28 days.
Some people like to budget and don't want to spend a lump sum. What's wrong with choice? What I and (I suspect the other people complaining about the F2P structure) don't like is being stung for every little thing. $6 per respec is way over the top if you're someone that likes to experiment with builds. The idea is that with a sub that sort of thing is included so that you can respec to your heart's content for your $15.
The sub shouldn't award free zen, at most just a small discount to the zen shop. Instead, a sub could simply provide various small convenience perks, and be completely optional, while providing some cosmetic rewards for loyalty. People would still be able to buy zen on top of these subs for the same things that they are already selling on the zen shop.
These subs also don't need to be recurring, PWE could sell them in various sizes 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, 3 month, etc. You could get a better deal with the longer subs, but you if you want to just get some perks for 3 days and bang out a solid weekend of gameplay you have that option.
Just my thoughts.
Burninator of Wasabiburn, Maker of Dreamz, Breaker of Heartz
Lol exactly!
Beating dead horse. This has been gone over and over since before the BWs. They are not offering it at this time.
You denagrate the very ppl paying the salaries of the ppl creating the game you play for free.
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Ideally a sub would only be for convenience perks and bonuses in addition to what is already in the cash shop.
Burninator of Wasabiburn, Maker of Dreamz, Breaker of Heartz
I have 1 care when they offer a pay for anything model , its Can they do more damage than me in PvP , if not then I could careless...
I dont care if they level faster , I dont care if they move faster , I dont care if they have a easier time , I dont care if they get currency , I dont care if they look cooler , I dont care if they get something I don't have , its about PvP thats what the end game is for these games , the PvP anyone else is just a casual , and there going to whine about anything.....