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sasuraiforum
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Hi people,
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I guess/hope this is the right place. I've been playing only for a couple of days and I'm already tired of this issue. In every random dungeon I've made, someone was rolling need for everything that dropped, when most of the stuff wasn't even useful for his class of course. Maybe it's me, but I think this is a problem because it causes frustration (since maybe an item that upgrades you drops, and then some idiot gets it just to vendor/AH it).
Now, I guess that doing dungeons only with people you know/guildmates will be a way to avoid the problem, but that renders the whole group search useless (and I've read it's flawed and you get no people to fill certain roles and whatsoever, that needs fixing too xD, but that's no reason to just give it up).
As I don't like to just complain, I'm going to give two proposals that came to my mind a while ago, while hating a guy "stealing" every piece that dropped for a poor rogue (I shouldn't care, nothing I wanted dropped, but it really got my nerves). Ok, I get to the point:
1) You can't roll "need" for items you can't equip due to class (I specify because you should be able to roll for an item that's higher level than you are, you may use it in the future). I don't know how hard this will be to code (I don't think too hard but I may be wrong xD), but I think it will fix the issue, and I can't think of a situation where you'll need to roll "need" for an item that belongs to another class.
2) Give the players some way to vote kick people off the party, or avoid pairing them with people on their ignore list (I usually put on my ignore list people who does the "need all" thing to remember them). I don't like this option because it will cause trouble during dungeons. Another option is to be able to "rate" your group mates in the end of the dungeon and use this information when forming groups, that way people with really bad rates/"reports" of rolling need to every item will, eventually, be grouped with people that does the same thing (kind of punish them by giving them a taste of their own medicine xD). I know this has a lot of potential for trolling and "threatening" people during dungeons too >.<
That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for reading and sorry if I've made any grammar mistakes or stuff like that, english isn't my mother tongue.
P.S: I used the "search" and couldn't find any similar topic, sorry if this has been proposed already.
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I guess/hope this is the right place. I've been playing only for a couple of days and I'm already tired of this issue. In every random dungeon I've made, someone was rolling need for everything that dropped, when most of the stuff wasn't even useful for his class of course. Maybe it's me, but I think this is a problem because it causes frustration (since maybe an item that upgrades you drops, and then some idiot gets it just to vendor/AH it).
Now, I guess that doing dungeons only with people you know/guildmates will be a way to avoid the problem, but that renders the whole group search useless (and I've read it's flawed and you get no people to fill certain roles and whatsoever, that needs fixing too xD, but that's no reason to just give it up).
As I don't like to just complain, I'm going to give two proposals that came to my mind a while ago, while hating a guy "stealing" every piece that dropped for a poor rogue (I shouldn't care, nothing I wanted dropped, but it really got my nerves). Ok, I get to the point:
1) You can't roll "need" for items you can't equip due to class (I specify because you should be able to roll for an item that's higher level than you are, you may use it in the future). I don't know how hard this will be to code (I don't think too hard but I may be wrong xD), but I think it will fix the issue, and I can't think of a situation where you'll need to roll "need" for an item that belongs to another class.
2) Give the players some way to vote kick people off the party, or avoid pairing them with people on their ignore list (I usually put on my ignore list people who does the "need all" thing to remember them). I don't like this option because it will cause trouble during dungeons. Another option is to be able to "rate" your group mates in the end of the dungeon and use this information when forming groups, that way people with really bad rates/"reports" of rolling need to every item will, eventually, be grouped with people that does the same thing (kind of punish them by giving them a taste of their own medicine xD). I know this has a lot of potential for trolling and "threatening" people during dungeons too >.<
That's all that comes to my mind for now. Thanks for reading and sorry if I've made any grammar mistakes or stuff like that, english isn't my mother tongue.
P.S: I used the "search" and couldn't find any similar topic, sorry if this has been proposed already.
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Basically, people 'need' when you think they shouldn't because of greed. They 'need' it for more gold or they 'need' it for another character. So only form parties on a private channel, only play with fellow guildies/etc.
PS After a year or so, everyone in STO just uses 'Need' or 'Pass'. Seriously, it's as if Greed doesn't exist. Quite a few of us actually deleted the associated keybind for 'Greed' (previously we had to click on a button).
PSS Vote-kick? Also requested... still not in and probably never will get in. Look at all the complains regarding the 'Report Spam/Ignore Player' functions being abused. The same goes with being in the same party as the 'ignored'.
if a second time. kick em+ignore. icecold
xanos900, when you do a dungeon through the "search group" system you can't kick people from your party. The telling and ignoring if there's a second time is what I'm doing by now, but it's not working much (most people seems to just ignore the chat on random groups, or don't care to say anything).
As for the rolling policy, I thought "need" for stuff you need (i.e. improves your character, or potentially improves if it's an unidentified item), "greed" for everything else (because as asphe said, if you need it for selling or another character, you need it out of greed xD) was common sense. Maybe I'm wrong or too used to WoW from when I played back in the day. I'm not sure about the profession materials and other miscellaneus stuff that everyone can use, so I usually wait and see what the others roll.
Anyway, thanks again, I'm not hoping for an official reply or changes to be made, from what you say about STO, so I'll do what I can on my end
Here's an idea that I like. Simple, and it makes sense. If they "need" it, then obviously they aren't going to sell it. Only problem, though, is once it's outgrown its usefulness, you won't be able to sell it.
PS.: I haven't played the game yet. Slow download. But I understand enough about MMOs and RPGs to get the gist of the issue.
Yep this is one of the logical solutions.
Edit: The only problem is, people will click need on accident and win stuff they can't use.
About the clicking by accident and winning stuff you can't use, how about something like WoW has where you have like an hour or so to trade an item with other party/raid member? That way if you truly rolled need by accident you can give it to whoever actually needs the item. (I can imagine how to abuse that by rolling need then trying to sell it to the party member that actually needs it, but if someone does that it should be a reportable offense, banned for a few days, and kicked in the nuts probably).
I never get time to look around, loot a religious/arcane etc...mini-chest and the group is way gone. So in my case I take the time to chose the appropriate loot choice but I can see some just "shift-1" the easiest to do and the message is off the screen and on to the next mob etc......Heck I have never seen any kind of coherent tactics deployed in a group ever.
Part of me can't blame some for choosing need on every drop if it is the easiest and quickest choice in order to keep up but if that excuse is always the case, then I tend to agree with OP as I have lost some of my class loot to a toon that would never ever use it...........so it is maddening. Maybe we should slow down a bit so we can all have a chance to look before selecting "need" all the time.
It doesn't give any specifics but I think this indicates they've heard the community and are looking at the issue, so let's hope for the best
There is kick&ignore for a reason and if they are leaders, you can always leave and have fun for them to complete the run.
Really I can understand with unidentified green items, but the game knows if you can use these items or not, how hard would it be just to implement a system when the Need button can only be clicked if you can actually use the item. So for example if the item is class restricted to say Trickster Rogues, everyone else can only select Greed, and Trickster Rogues can select Need.
I think this solution would solve 90% of people complaints about the loot system.
I've heard people talk about how other games make drops bind on pickup. While that would help in some aspects of the game, it would also be counter to the AD/auction setup they've got. Frankly, I think the best solution would be to simply have drops be given to everyone, or to have them be round-robin. They could also do a system where the more you choose need over a given day or hour, the less weight your roll is given... so a serial "needer" is kinda bumped further down the list.
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The only two exeptions I make are:
- rare events (like some skirmishes) that never drop any item for my class or even drop only one specific item. In such case I choose "need" - I really see no reason why anyone should get a free prize guaranteed.
- with random parties I sometimes wait to see what others choose. If someone tries to ninja a TR item which should go to my fellow TR mate, I try to counteract (which sometimes helps).
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While sitting around waiting for people to get ready, I frequently check out what other people are wearing, I was playing a dungeon the other day where a TR was mad when a TR item dropped and everyone needed. I mentioned that I noticed he was already wearing one, and he had nothing else to say.
This is the best idea I have heard yet. +1 internets to you sir.