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mievh
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 106 Bounty Hunter
Guys at Cryptic: please, PLEASE fix cleric threat.
I've been trying to run a skirmish with little to no results, while taking almost as much damage as the tank. Unless it's a very, very, very good tank, I always get my face smacked by tons of ads, unable to heal or build up Divinity. Last time I went from 100% to dead in almost 3 seconds, and as the game has no burst healing, I fell very quickly.
Tanks aren't able to hold aggro (unless they are very good) making PUG dungeons / skirmishes a chore, rather than fun, for the cleric class.
Please at the very least acknowledge there is a problem, I've taken every Power and Feat available that reduces threat and it serves absolutely nothing, as newly spawned mobs make a beeline straight to me, the boss comes down to me, and almost all ads do, except the one the tank is currently tanking.
Please make the game fun to play... I welcome the challenge to balance the heals between attacks, but this is downright crazy. It's no fun that way.
Why include threat-reducing abilities if they don't work? Why do I have to pay you real-world money to change my powers, when the powers don't work on the first place? It really seems like a trap: You make threat-reducing powers a waste and non-functional so as to make me pay to change skills to something more useful...
Please do something. Acknowledge the problem, or tell us if this is intended, so I can peacefully let my cleric rest and play another character or game.
I've been trying to run a skirmish with little to no results, while taking almost as much damage as the tank. Unless it's a very, very, very good tank, I always get my face smacked by tons of ads, unable to heal or build up Divinity. Last time I went from 100% to dead in almost 3 seconds, and as the game has no burst healing, I fell very quickly.
Tanks aren't able to hold aggro (unless they are very good) making PUG dungeons / skirmishes a chore, rather than fun, for the cleric class.
Please at the very least acknowledge there is a problem, I've taken every Power and Feat available that reduces threat and it serves absolutely nothing, as newly spawned mobs make a beeline straight to me, the boss comes down to me, and almost all ads do, except the one the tank is currently tanking.
Please make the game fun to play... I welcome the challenge to balance the heals between attacks, but this is downright crazy. It's no fun that way.
Why include threat-reducing abilities if they don't work? Why do I have to pay you real-world money to change my powers, when the powers don't work on the first place? It really seems like a trap: You make threat-reducing powers a waste and non-functional so as to make me pay to change skills to something more useful...
Please do something. Acknowledge the problem, or tell us if this is intended, so I can peacefully let my cleric rest and play another character or game.
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Side note last rollback punish ONLY non-chating and nonexploiting players.
This is last drop for me to leave this game. Cleric thread is not bug this is $$$ plan.
Cryptic, at least ACKNOWLEDGE this.
Didn't Closed Beta served some purpose? Please...
As soon as they'll fix it ill play my Cleric again, no harm done.
It's so annoying to have only one tactic in this game in the 8300+ dungeons.. stand next to the cleric and work your *** off to get the mobs attention. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to put some effort into tanking, but this is just crazy. Give the healer a skill which drops their threat to zero (reset of aggro) for x amount of seconds or give the GF's a HARD taunt with a descent cooldown. The 'mark the target and deal damage to get aggro'-trick, ain't working. Especially with the amount of mob displacing spells in this game. The moment I mass-mark a pack, some CW or DC gets it into his head to send the entire group flying, resulting in me having to wait for another 15 seconds to throw out a mass mark to hopefully get aggro back again.
All in all tanking and healing should have some threat-mechanics that give Gf's a hard taunt or DC's a hard reset of aggro (pref. both).
As the people in the prior posts stated, its a b*tch to heal at the moment, and being a 'tank' right now doens't feel close to actually tanking anything.
I won't beg for a 'fix', but I'd only say that giving both classes some skills to handle threat generation/reduction more effectively, would make the game a lot better!
I stoped playing my cleric at level 28 and he's gotten to level 30 just by praying several times a day. I decided to make a guardian fighter to see if I could keep agreso off my friends cleric. NOPE. It works for about 3 seconds untill he casts another heal and then all adds are back on his cleric. This realy needs to be fixed soon.
I think it's good to have this discussion because it creates a lot of frustration while PUGing dungeons when these roles cant be executed in a proper way. It's chaos all over the place and people are just shouting at the DC to stop dying all the time, not noticing that the DC has all mobs chasing after him/her in taste of blood. This all while the GF is frantically running around trying to 'shout' mobs off the DC.
Not to mention the threat generation a TR has...sigh..try taunting a boss off one of those while he just threw out 1 mil. damage in 2 minutes while you tried to gather up the mobs and finally got your team in a safe place for the boss fight (just an example
Some part of me is hoping that the other Paragon paths are providing skills that give these aggro generation/reducing abilities and that the paragon trees that we're using now are just 'a bit of everything'-trees..
I wonder how other players experience this 'problem'?
Yea only its far worse then he said.
As guardians dont even get this so called "mass mark"
Enforced threat will indeed hit all nearby enemies dealing damage. But it actually only marks 5, and thus only taunts 5. In T2s where you face freakin 30+ enemies at once, its patheticly poor, so much so I usually unslot it.
It's functional if your VERY GOOD in t1s and constantly spam it and have the wizard help gather with blackhole so you can stab them all.. But T2s it just all falls apart as there are way too many targets, so the only viable tactics becomes "cleric kite" .. Even if the guardian wanted to kite, just cant be done in the current game.
Problem isnt so much the threat amount, but the fact it decays so quickly, while clerics threat never decays.. The problem is clerics astral shields is the only viable heal, and it generates constant 24/7 threat to 100% of nearby enemies, while guardians can only do 5x target, 15+ second cooldown taunt, that has no real functional ongoing effect, as enhanced mark is fairly useless at 60 (works ok at lower lvls, doesnt scale up to enough at 60)
There are lots of simple fixes like removing target limit and making enhanced mark deal more threat.. Though a more complex fix that lets clerics burst heal instead of just rely on 1 zero-skill persistant aoe would be more ideal.. Healing well without generating a lot of threat should be challenge, as should tanking.. Atm the clerics job in healing is a joke, whats hard is keeping him alive.
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And yes, it is as you describe. Forgemaster's Flame and Astral Shield, which are our best heals, generate a lot of threat, even with the 45% total threat reduction that is granted throught the Soothe power and feats. Why with 45% less aggro the mobs run straight to me? Clearly those powers don't work.
So it's a combination of problems... tanks can't generate enough aggro and aren't able to maintain it for even a few seconds, and healers generate a lot of aggro even with walking.
Sometimes I do nothing for some seconds, just to see what happens. New mobs run straight to me, even if I haven't casted heals and no HoT is active in the field for more than 10 seconds. I did try that fix, and it somewhat worked while at level 30s, or maybe it was because the tanks were better. But now it doesn't really help... I'm 57 and the Protect The Bridge Skirmish is almost impossible as the amount of mobs is enormous and I can't stand to attack and build Divine Power for Astral Shield and Forgemaster's Flame.
I don't know why Cryptic is so... err... cryptic about this. No acknowledgment, nothing. They said they're checking it... but c'mon, hasn't this issue popped back in closed beta??
It's no fun to play a healer this way........
I too play as a cleric and am in total agreement with all the above problems..i recently played mad dragon with 2 other clerics and 2 rogues. this was one of the most effective ways to handle mobs.since all 3 of us have around the same skills, we could just aggro the mobs in turn and then go heal the others in the meantime..i'd suggest all clerics do that if u want to play in party.a single cleric in a party just sucks right now.
on a side note, any of u noticed how the paragon At-will power of the cleric doesn't do the damage it shows..the power shows it does a dmg of 600+, when it actually does a lot less than the other at will powers.
Basicaly wait and hope they fix it....
You could also put in a ticket and wait 1month to have an answer....
Threat is wrong in this game...
Tank can't even keep the threat from TR
Yes cleric get WAY too much aggro and dont even have good skill to heal himself, have to drink potion over and over again...
Even the healing for others is just a support healing and they still need potion... no wonder everyone ask for 2 healer for groups...
From the CW perspective, after few minutes of a fight, I tend to run along with the Cleric, keeping the adds controlled while he focus on doing his job rather than running around with a swarm of adds on him.
About GF tanking, I tend not to anything in first 5 seconds except maybe tossing a Singularity on the large pack of mobs so GF can cleave them all and get aggro. Unfortunately, I either die from proxy aggro, because all the mobs go for me, or Cleric gets in trouble if he casts a heal. Giving the Cleric ability to reduce threat is not the best option, since every DPS class will need the same. It is better, in my opinion, to give GF larger threat generation, but not to overdo it, since the DPS wouldn't have to worry about the overaggro, making it less challenging in that case.
As someone said, most of the T2 dungeons are now based on "Cleric Kite", making other classes in that regard useless. It pains me to see GFs being useless in most of the encounters. Even worse, they have hard time finding the spots in high-end dungeons. What also troubles me, is the new "double cleric" combo, which essentially makes group finding harder than it should be.
Even the combination of Astral Shield + etc healing skills cant keep me over half the HP bar when every freaking mobs surrounds me. i have to either run around circling within the shield or the map itself.
Not even Astral Shield, Forgemaster's and even potions can keep us alive after that...
Cleric playstyle is fun. Aggro magnet is not. And a solution of taking off my gear/clothes and putting them back on...is not a solution. it's a workaround, and a clumsy one.
If the game design is to have a ton of adds with a boss, something needs to be moderated either health of adds, damage of adds, or aggro of us - that's my opinion.
Cleric playstyle is fun. Aggro magnet is not. And a solution of taking off my gear/clothes and putting them back on...is not a solution. it's a workaround, and a clumsy one.
If the game design is to have a ton of adds with a boss, something needs to be moderated either health of adds, damage of adds, or aggro of us - that's my opinion.
I do the "unequip/re-equip" thing myself, and it seems to help some, but I'd really like to not have to resort to that if I don't have to.
I find it hard to believe the current state of Healer Threat is working exactly as intended. I don't have a problem with SOME aggro (it does make sense to target the enemy healer, after all) but the way it is now, especially in dungeon boss fights, seems way out of proportion (and add the fact that we get a 40% debuff to self-healing... ugh.)
This really needs an official response. Any will do.
Amen to that
And it's no fun.
For those that are mad there isn't really a "Ranger" type class, play a Cleric. They have to kite 99% of the time when in a group...
Devoted Cleric of the Dragon Shard
Recruit of Grievance
Yes, the problem is you have to pay money to reset your powers.