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allaerra
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So, I've been getting fairly insulted by all the fanbois and love 'em leave 'ems who are extremely antagonistic over the large (around 60%) of the population who supports a wipe. Calling us "whiners over someone having more than them". I wonder if those espousing such garbage and venom are a little slow?
A LARGE part of MMOs (this IS an MMO in case you all didn't know), for many people is "working the auction house" and "crafting". Indeed, what is the point of crafting if you can't sell the stuff you craft? Just to level, you get a bunch of things that are useless to you.
People LIKE being merchants. Not everyone, just like not everyone enjoys PVP or linear quests, or dungeons with pugs, etc. Most people are some sort of combination.
With all of its flaws, the one thing this game has is a little something for everyone and an awesome battle mechanic. You have the AH and crafting for the merchant, the Dungeon Delves and Skirmishes for the "levelers" and for those who enjoy playing with people, the questing for those who enjoy storyline and, in some cases, solo play, the Foundry for those same folks plus those who enjoy telling stories, and PVP to appeal to PVPers.
With the game economy ruined, those people who enjoy playing the merchant are screwed. Those people who bought founders packs or Zen have just found them completely devalued.
So rather than calling people whiners, why not look in the mirror, lose the "me me" attitude and understand that there is an entire community and not everyone plays for the same reasons.
A wipe (with exploits and bugs corrected) would have fixed the economy and given the game a fresh start, and maybe retained a bunch of players.
A LARGE part of MMOs (this IS an MMO in case you all didn't know), for many people is "working the auction house" and "crafting". Indeed, what is the point of crafting if you can't sell the stuff you craft? Just to level, you get a bunch of things that are useless to you.
People LIKE being merchants. Not everyone, just like not everyone enjoys PVP or linear quests, or dungeons with pugs, etc. Most people are some sort of combination.
With all of its flaws, the one thing this game has is a little something for everyone and an awesome battle mechanic. You have the AH and crafting for the merchant, the Dungeon Delves and Skirmishes for the "levelers" and for those who enjoy playing with people, the questing for those who enjoy storyline and, in some cases, solo play, the Foundry for those same folks plus those who enjoy telling stories, and PVP to appeal to PVPers.
With the game economy ruined, those people who enjoy playing the merchant are screwed. Those people who bought founders packs or Zen have just found them completely devalued.
So rather than calling people whiners, why not look in the mirror, lose the "me me" attitude and understand that there is an entire community and not everyone plays for the same reasons.
A wipe (with exploits and bugs corrected) would have fixed the economy and given the game a fresh start, and maybe retained a bunch of players.
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Given the number of times they've said 'No more wipe', going back on that would have a significant impact in terms of trust.
It also means that whenever a new exploit is found, there will be a tiny group of folks that will abuse the heck out of it, gleefully chortling as they do so, laughing because now it becomes more likely that there will be ANOTHER wipe, and more after that.
Doing a wipe now is admitting that the exploiters *can* impact EVERY player, drive away paying customers and probably resulting in the entire game being abandoned, the servers shut down for good and everyone that just lost their jobs struggling to get hired elsewhere. Not just devs, management, marketing and pretty much everyone would get tainted with the same brush.
So no, with that loss of confidence, the potential consequences of having to do a wipe in spite of all the times they've said no, that's a career ending move.
It was certainly a mistake on their part to guarantee no more wipes, as even fools no there are no guarantees in life.
Personally, loss of face, is better than a ruined game, IMHO. 7 hour rollback just doesn't cut it.
I don't know what else to suggest really, I would just like to see the game succeed and am tired of people coming on here and getting confrontational to those of us who care about the game.
On it's best day the forums would be lucky to make up a total of 10% of the player base. The vast majority of players do not ever come here and for good reason. They are full of negativity.
The 60% you are referring to are a small minority of hardcore vocal forum folks. Also I strongly disagree with 60% supported the wipe since the vast majority of us who do come here are well aware of the fact that there was never going to be a wipe and there never will be a wipe and are simply tired of arguing about something that is not going to happen.
If you can't let it go and come to grips that you are not getting a new server and there will not be a wipe perhaps you should consider moving on?
It is like going to the WoW Forums and advocating they change their Graphics style to something that suits you better. It's just not going to happen no matter how many people you think support you or agree with you.
There's over a hundred people in my guild, none of them have asked for a wipe as far as I can tell. None of the folks I know from the old SWG days have either.
"loss of face"? That's pretty serious in the business world. You send in your resume stating you worked in 'marketing' for a company that had an absolute marketing disaster and that resume gets tossed into the garbage can instantly. Doesn't matter if it was your fault or not.
Would you prefer they mislead you? Offer you false hope? Keep you stringed along on the slight chance that you may get what you want?
Or just flat out be honest with you? Because there is not going to be a wipe and there is not going to be a new server, They could not have it any clearer than they already have.
A new server would achieve nothing and I never asked for one. The ill gotten gains would be transferred through alts, so what would be the point?
The point of the thread was that there are many people who enjoy different aspects of the game than you yourself might enjoy. Calling people who support a wipe for the good of the game whiners is ridiculous. How about the whiners who don't want the wipe because of losing their precious virtual character? Seems like those are the whiners to me.
Either way, it is PWEs decision what to do and we are along for the ride. Time will tell what the affect of their decision will be.
For now, I was simply asking people to act like adults and stop raging at everyone for stating their views. Apparently that is too much to ask.
Exactly. And by exactly, I mean that you should look in the mirror and realize that calling for a wipe screws people over who do not play for the same reasons you do. It works both ways.
The point is insulting people who have a differing opinion. I did "look in the mirror" and I am not running around raging at the people who didn't call for a wipe. Those people are entitled to their opinion without having to feel bullied or insulted as I am entitled to mine without feeling bullied or insulted. Again, seems you missed the point:(.
People, have, in fact been voting in that poll ever since. Regardless of the exact number which last I checked was 68% (I was being conservative at 60%), it does demonstrate that there is a SIGNIFICANT number of folks who did/do support it. However this post was not another "OMG we should wipe post" it was more about respecting people's opinions and play styles.
This ! I voted for a wipe on Sunday . I am quite happy now with just the rollback . The zen to Ad rate is already in the 365 range on Mindflayer. It looks like they got the majority of the exploiters . Shure some got away with it , but at least they are smart enough , or scared enough not to flood the market .Looks to me like the game will be fine .
Oh and I respect peoples opinions but when those people have been told many times "NO" and we see the same few people spamming the boards...well I lose respect for those opinions because they are wrong
See there you go. They are "wrong" because you said so? LOL! How about "you disagree" and leave it at that. See I think you are wrong, but I don't run around saying it that way or calling you names.
One last thing you do know that the author of that poll was banned for exploiting.....
I did not bother myself initially with any of the forums because I knew what I would find here. More of the same as in all of the others.
But then I found several bugs and errors and decided to go about reporting them. So here I am.
To get on topic, I agree totally with the OP regarding Something For Everyone. I have specific things I like to do in gaming, and this version of NW fits the bill. There are aspects I do not enjoy so much but I can elect to not do them and still advance my character. There is no one path that rules them all here.
The company has kept their word so far about No Wipe. I have been playing with this fact in mind. Company trust is important, as they are fully aware.
I would continue playing with a wipe, don't get me wrong. I plan on being here for awhile, since I know full well that I have not touched upon a lot of things that will interest me in the future. But no means no. So get over it and roll on.
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