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tallulahkat
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For those that think this does not hurt the economy you are wrong...
Example:
If hundreds of players have millions of ad.. they control the ah - ad market etc.. so an item that should be one price is way off due to the fact that these exploiters, people with tons of ad etc are posting it based on the amount of AD that is now floating around the game .. If there is a little bit of AD going around the prices are low.. as the economy grows prices rise due to AD rising in peoples pockets etc etc.. look at real world for example.. look how prices have risen over the years on everything. So now instead of the economy slowly rising over time..everything is ruled by the people with millions upon millions of AD.
The game has now turned into the rich get richer and the poor get poorer..
Another good reason why this hurts the economy - and legit players:
Why do you think companies put in money sinks (gold - in game currency etc) in the game? People have so much in game currency that they need to have them do something with it.. (IE: WoW with extreme costs of flying faster and faster or hundreds of gold costs in mounts) meanwhile now that there is this mass amount of AD going on (going on since start of open beta) what will the company do, they eventually will have to put an AD sink somewhere in the game make people spend their large amounts of ad...(something higher in cost then cats, because well the people with all this zen can still buy up tons of cats..) So they add in large AD cost items. People who honestly earned their AD do not even make enough to purchase these items have to say well I want one but that sucks, I can not afford that..so the rich get ahead while the poor have to stand back
This did not just start from a day or 2 ago, exploits of all kinds that caused people to gain large amounts of in game currency have been going on since OB launch...
Only way to fix this sad but far far gone economy is to wipe the AD from the market and all accounts, or wipe accounts completely which we know is not happening
Example:
If hundreds of players have millions of ad.. they control the ah - ad market etc.. so an item that should be one price is way off due to the fact that these exploiters, people with tons of ad etc are posting it based on the amount of AD that is now floating around the game .. If there is a little bit of AD going around the prices are low.. as the economy grows prices rise due to AD rising in peoples pockets etc etc.. look at real world for example.. look how prices have risen over the years on everything. So now instead of the economy slowly rising over time..everything is ruled by the people with millions upon millions of AD.
The game has now turned into the rich get richer and the poor get poorer..
Another good reason why this hurts the economy - and legit players:
Why do you think companies put in money sinks (gold - in game currency etc) in the game? People have so much in game currency that they need to have them do something with it.. (IE: WoW with extreme costs of flying faster and faster or hundreds of gold costs in mounts) meanwhile now that there is this mass amount of AD going on (going on since start of open beta) what will the company do, they eventually will have to put an AD sink somewhere in the game make people spend their large amounts of ad...(something higher in cost then cats, because well the people with all this zen can still buy up tons of cats..) So they add in large AD cost items. People who honestly earned their AD do not even make enough to purchase these items have to say well I want one but that sucks, I can not afford that..so the rich get ahead while the poor have to stand back
This did not just start from a day or 2 ago, exploits of all kinds that caused people to gain large amounts of in game currency have been going on since OB launch...
Only way to fix this sad but far far gone economy is to wipe the AD from the market and all accounts, or wipe accounts completely which we know is not happening
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You are assuming that Cryptic isn't tracking down and banning the perpetrators and their mules...which they are.
No Hyperbole here, look at how the actually world works, as more money comes into the picture prices rise.... its the same in all games
Are they tracking down all the exploiters from all forms of AD exploiting from day 1? ....
FWIW, it doesn't hurt those players who have never used the AH or the AD/Zen conversion services.
Let your life proceed by its own designs
Nothing to tell
Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine ...
It does hurt them. read my second paragraph.
I agree with the OP somewhat but you have to admit that post had a degree of dramatic flair.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
May 5th - 9:15 pm ,
Yes , sure , Cryptic will track down all the transactions for weeks now.
This thing has been known about for weeks. They can't fix it.
What about the AD from the oneshotting exploits?
What about the folks that used the AD to mass rush the profs to 20?
They have such a huge lead and advantage over average players -including people that buy $30-100 worth of zen.
I hate being an analyst. I tell folks what they don't want to hear and they stick their fingers in their ears and "LALALALALALA"
It is a rare breed that can take the heat and 180 on a decision.
Thats why i was saying the only way to fix this sad sad economy is to wipe in some sorts either from full wipes or AD wipes... I know this is not happening, just stating my thoughts on what can fix the problem.
That is the claim, and I have seen it first hand, they are literally sack bombing peoples accounts, but no we can't be sure they will get everyone, what we can be sure of is these yo-yo's won't be able to flood the market because if they do they will have the Cryptic come down on them like a ton of bricks, and PWE has zero problem with removing a Diamond flood.
Would you propose a full economy reset to fix that last 1%?
(Note: I don't have any real statistics, it could be less than 1%, and it could be more. If it was more than 10%, I assume Cryptic would have done significantly more about it by now.)
So, you feel the wipe should've happened even before this last weekend?
Thats why I am saying it is not just from a day or 2 ago, it is from the start...
If they were not trying to track them down, the exchange would be available. As of now, it is still cut off.
Hmm... sounds like real world.
I read the second paragraph, which except for one short reference refers solely to ADs. The GOLD economy -- i.e., me buying & selling to vendors -- is not affected by fluctuations in the supply of Astral Diamonds.
I have not bought or sold anything through the AH, at all. IOW, what you're talking about only hurts those who take part in the player-to-player Astral Diamond economy. People like me, who have never done anything of the sort, are not affected. Now, you'd probably be right in saying that we're a tiny minority, but I'd counter with "we're the tiny minority who realized early on the Astral Diamonds were going to be a major problem for this game & so chose not to have anything to do with it."
IMO, Astral Diamonds were the single worst idea Cryptic put into this game.
Let your life proceed by its own designs
Nothing to tell
Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine ...
The Jawa is correct, they can play this economy anyway they want after all they created it.
This man speaks the truth. Stop worrying about nothing and get back to playing.
I see a lot of references in this forum of the game having already been released. Isn't it still supposed to be in Open Beta? That's what I've read, at least. I may have missed something, though.
I can see them saying no more wipes during the beta because maybe they are trying to test out high-level content and don't want to start back at scratch, killing their timelines for testing and release. But it's rare that the progress made in a beta carries over to the release of the game (I haven't heard of any instances where it has, so maybe this is the exception).
Did they state somewhere that they won't do any wipes after the beta has ended? I know they said no complete wipes during the beta, but I'm curious if they explicitly said anything about the official release of the game?
An epic item is on the AH. The market value is 1 mil, but because of the influx of AD, someone will pay 10 mil for it. That 10 mil AD now gets redistributed (minus 12%) to another player. And then the cycle continues, with that player overpaying for stuff on the AH, or perhaps using the windfall to rush crafting jobs (which destroys the AD), which further removes the AD.
How long this happens depends on how much extra currency is in the system, as well as how quickly players respond to the incentive. If people are overpaying for rare items, more people will go "farm" these rare items, which will ultimately decrease the inflated prices on stuff until equilibrium is reached. If crafting materials are over-priced, it creates a huge incentive for people to sell their materials, or buy extra skill kits to harvest nodes as they quest, in order to sell excess materials. And again, the diamonds will be removed and stuff will return to equilibrium.
Or an even more plausible solution, the players who exploited will simply get bored and quit. Many won't likely even go through the trouble of distributing their wealth. It'll just vanish with their account. Or they may they may do what others did, buy really expensive things with their AD and give them away...like the cats. Which is actually a pretty good scenario for Cryptic...better to have those diamonds quickly evaporate into cats than sit in the market.
Anyway, point being is things will sort themselves out...as long as the exploits and loopholes are closed, and the worst of the exploiters are dealt with, life will go on...we haven't fallen off some sort of financial cliff here.
I have read every post in this thread and your post somehow made me feel better.. Only time can tell, but at least your post made me feel better.. lol
Speaking as someone who works in the profession of multiple tables with literally billions of transactions. A query in itself is only as good as the understanding of the problem.
Even with an all encompassing query they will miss the man behind the man behind the man.
In the real live world you would break it down and identify and rectify. Costly, but cheaper than losing all the customers.
In this BETA world it would be wiser to wipe. You will lose some of the competitive folks, that will probably be gone in 90 days away. You will keep the folks that see the bigger picture and you foster a healthy player base.
Meh...6 of 1 half a bakers dozen of the other.
.9999999=1
I will see how it plays out. Either way I will be sticking around unless the economy is so far out of whack that I will just bail and use the money ear marked for the "real" launch as a night of sorrow with some hookers and blow.
Even if this were true, looking at the ADE prices shows that it wasn't enough activity to cause visible economic dislocation until a day ago.
Nothing like being reported for using a certain word in local and getting an email about it 2 weeks later XD Yeah, they do log every chat, and every transaction. They just need to correlate, and they might already have paper trail systems too, how do you think gold sellers get caught and banned?
To me, there IS no economy. I use gold to buy pots and my daily prays to buy ID scrolls. Whatever "damage" has been done certainly doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form.
I am effectively out of the exploiter's range. They cannot touch my game play, and I certainly want no part in theirs.
OP's post is fallacious and made with panic logic.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
I'm not a fan of how AD works in NWO, and I agree with this post. I put up stuff on AH and was like "There is no way this is going to sell" on day 1, and it did because some people had millions already from being a founder.
It's funny games like League of Legends have a free 2 play model that works better
panic logic..... lol how many games have you played from an opening that have auction houses or some sort of market? It is a known fact about how game economies work.. as the game goes on people make more in game currency and prices rise...
I simply stated that if the game pretty much starts with a certain amount of people having a very very very large sum (weather it be exploits or whatever) the economy is ruined, as those are the people that run the economy and now everything is so prced out of wack etc..