All the people that spent real money on this game should start a Class action Lawsuit

drzeyus · May 2013

This game should not of gone live. It needed to be alpha tested...

Anyone that paid money into this game that feel they got ripped off should start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

I want my 10 bucks back, i feel sick such a stupid exploit could even be possible

thief183 · May 2013

the game is actually in Beta state, if you pay you get your own risks.

wrenaq · May 2013

Lol good luck with that...

tyez · May 2013

lol this guy =D

randomplayerl0lz · May 2013

Fail troll is fail

drzeyus · May 2013

Its not fail. Me no eat whole box fishchips.

grimbryte · May 2013

Omg $10???

DUDE SUE ASAP

trixxelll · May 2013

Thanks for your $10, please move on.

xumina · May 2013

Good luck on your Class Action Lawsuit.ROFL

unimatrixalpha1 · May 2013

The game is in beta. Good luck w/ you law suit and be prepared to be banned.

drzeyus · May 2013

Got to have fun some how. This game isnt fun right as we speak or type thats fur sure

criptonic · May 2013

drzeyus wrote: »

This game should not of gone live. It needed to be alpha tested...

Anyone that paid money into this game that feel they got ripped off should start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

I want my 10 bucks back, i feel sick such a stupid exploit could even be possible

http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

cihuacoatl · May 2013

drzeyus wrote: »

This game should not of gone live. It needed to be alpha tested...

Anyone that paid money into this game that feel they got ripped off should start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

I want my 10 bucks back, i feel sick such a stupid exploit could even be possible

You probably should work on your education and get a job. If your this butt hurt over 10 bucks.

BTW how many hours have you played this game?

BTW how much did you pay for the last bad movie you saw at the theater? Do the math and get a clue...

tallulahkat · May 2013

lol i have put in around a couple hundred and i am NOT with you on this lol.. game is in beta, and even if it was not, every single game out there has bugs / exploits ....

getyoazzinmyvan · May 2013

Paying money for a beta is like paying money for a mystery box. You don't know what you're getting. Then getting upset afterward and demanding your money back? It was your choice to give money to a mystery product from a company that's known for bad games. I just find the whole thing funny. Reading all these posts by people who have spent "lots of money" make me laugh. I spent no money I'm in full tier 2 and I have most items I want from the zen store. Only bads spend money to try and pay 2 win.

calthizar · May 2013

The only thing that I don't like is that this exploit was around since closed beta other than that I really don't care. I like the game and just because there was one hiccup it isn't going to make me file for some stupid lawsuit. Honestly what I am sick of are all these self righteous pricks that think they are entitled because they spent a little bit of money on a game that hasn't really released yet getting up in arms and thinking they deserve something. If that was the case then Blizzard should have never stayed standing after their release of WoW. A release so bad that the servers were always crashing, bugs and exploits. I paid for that game and it's subscription and could barely play for over 2 months. Hell it was so bad that they gave everyone free months of play time. This is a 100% F2P game you paid for something but you didn't have you made the choice to buy something with real money and a group of asshats out there, not saying you, decided they wanted to screw everyone else over. Yes it is PWE/Cryptic's fault for not fixing the problem in closed beta but ffs give them a chance before you go crazy because there is one hiccup that they are trying to fix now.
/end rant

toomuchstuff · May 2013

Class action lawsuit? Did you just come in from Forsaken World? Honestly if you were that Butt-hurt about this you need to just stop playing games in general. And with all the whinny little girls that left from Forsaken about their roll back I HIGHLY doubt they would come back to the same company they complained about and left over. So uh, yeah i would suggest you seek therapy or something but, Games are not meant for you.

Edit:

Like Calthizar Said above, For the life of me I'm not sure why the company lets the bugs get so far out of hand before they try to fix it.

glannigan · May 2013

drzeyus wrote: »

This game should not of gone live. It needed to be alpha tested...

Anyone that paid money into this game that feel they got ripped off should start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

I want my 10 bucks back, i feel sick such a stupid exploit could even be possible

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bloodpoolz · May 2013

I am so sick of whinny little brats suing for this that and everything else. It was your choice to spent your wimpy 10 bucks on the game. Myself and my wife put in hundreds of dollars on pw games, and do not regret spending a dime. It was my choice and if something goes awry then its my fault for spending the money. Stop crying grow up and go mow a lawn for 10 bucks and make your little chump change back.

mustachemav · May 2013

glannigan wrote: »

This is fully made of win and i /salute you

johnlgalt · May 2013

I can see it now - a class action lawsuit - in small claims court.

Friggin Night Court, all over again.

dracoth · May 2013

Fail... Go to get court to get your 10 bucks... the end up losing it for paying your lawyer and then some... You have no clue about society whatsoever. Not in lawsuits. Not in economy. Not in gaming. You fail at all those three things.

dixa1 · May 2013

if this really was a beta, then simply wiping the servers and giving everyone back the zen they bought (not refunded money, simply giving back the zen the paid dollars for and not the zen they earned through astral diamonds) would not be a task this company seems so 100% against doing.

it's a beta. it's not launch. a wipe is not unheard of right?

if you argue against that point, provide specific examples of games that never wiped in their betas.

lyokira · May 2013

dixa1 wrote: »

if this really was a beta, then simply wiping the servers and giving everyone back the zen they bought (not refunded money, simply giving back the zen the paid dollars for and not the zen they earned through astral diamonds) would not be a task this company seems so 100% against doing.

it's a beta. it's not launch. a wipe is not unheard of right?

if you argue against that point, provide specific examples of games that never wiped in their betas.

Path of Exile didn't have a wipe, not even from closed beta.

Also, a wipe WOULD be a case for lawsuit, unlike the current status quo, because then it would be false advertising a beta, as it's been advertised to not have a wipe.

kaobear · May 2013

drzeyus wrote: »

start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

Civil lawsuits rarely make it to trial. Prepare to dish out $30,000 just for the trial ... assuming you already can afford the $15,000 for pre-trial preparation. Prolonged trial will cost upwards of $90,000. Appeal will add even more. Then consider this is being suggested as a class-action lawsuit ... where the litigants are gamers on a f2p server ... if not independantly wealthy ... you won't find a lawyer (or team of lawyers) to fund this out of their own pocket on a 30% contingency fee.

Read the ToS - Rule 17 Fees

17. Fees

PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

Further down the ToS PWE has limited their liability and their warranties. Worst case scenario ... people who did a charge back being sued and having to pay all legal fees for PWE's attorney's plus all other non-legal fees and expenses. Do you think PWE would retain a single lawyer? Even if a lawyer or lawfirm is not retained the possibility of them hiring a single lawyer is slim.

Paying money in this game for whatever reason is at the sole discretion of the gamer. Failing to do due diligence in researching the company hosting the game, the developers history of handling exploits-bugs is solely the gamers fault. Starting a lawsuit you would need a legal basis to file a claim. I'd be interested to hear what legal basis you claim to advocate for a class-action suit where the gamers are from different countries.

Buyers Regret? Consider the amount of money you spent here and then imagine you had a huge bar tab or blew money in a casino and realize that either way you had some fun and a good time even if short. Go on with your life and realize next time to research the game better and wait to spend your money until you are satisfied with the current status the game is in.

dracoth · May 2013

criptonic wrote: »

http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

"I award you no points... and may god have mercy on your soul"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

teiteitei · May 2013

I think there's a few companies who's ToS was considered to be ridiculously violating to their consumers and were forced to change it, so just because it's in the ToS does not mean it's some almighty unbreakable law.

rustedheartz · May 2013

drzeyus wrote: »

This game should not of gone live. It needed to be alpha tested...

Anyone that paid money into this game that feel they got ripped off should start a Class Action Lawsuit against this company.

I want my 10 bucks back, i feel sick such a stupid exploit could even be possible

lyokira · May 2013

kaobear wrote: »

Civil lawsuits rarely make it to trial. Prepare to dish out $30,000 just for the trial ... assuming you already can afford the $15,000 for pre-trial preparation. Prolonged trial will cost upwards of $90,000. Appeal will add even more. Then consider this is being suggested as a class-action lawsuit ... where the litigants are gamers on a f2p server ... if not independantly wealthy ... you won't find a lawyer (or team of lawyers) to fund this out of their own pocket on a 30% contingency fee.

Read the ToS - Rule 17 Fees

17. Fees

PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

Further down the ToS PWE has limited their liability and their warranties. Worst case scenario ... people who did a charge back being sued and having to pay all legal fees for PWE's attorney's plus all other non-legal fees and expenses. Do you think PWE would retain a single lawyer? Even if a lawyer or lawfirm is not retained the possibility of them hiring a single lawyer is slim.

Paying money in this game for whatever reason is at the sole discretion of the gamer. Failing to do due diligence in researching the company hosting the game, the developers history of handling exploits-bugs is solely the gamers fault. Starting a lawsuit you would need a legal basis to file a claim. I'd be interested to hear what legal basis you claim to advocate for a class-action suit where the gamers are from different countries.

Buyers Regret? Consider the amount of money you spent here and then imagine you had a huge bar tab or blew money in a casino and realize that either way you had some fun and a good time even if short. Go on with your life and realize next time to research the game better and wait to spend your money until you are satisfied with the current status the game is in.

Of course, that's only counting Zen. There are plenty who paid for the founder's pack instead. Of course, the founders pack got exactly what was advertised, so they have no ground for litigation.. That is, if they don't wipe. The moment they do, every founder has grounds for litigation, due to falsely advertising the beta, and also negating their early access advantage.

protosinister · May 2013

Lets look at a few things from different angles.

1. You, the consumer, knowingly paid money for a game that was fully in Open Beta.
2. You, the consumer now want to file a class action lawsuit that will cost thousands to go through, in order to get your $10 back.

From PWE standpoint

1. You, the consumer knowingly started a conspiratorial post against PWE and all subsidiary businesses related to PWE, Neverwinter, Cryptic, etc.
2. This violates the direct TOS agreement you signed when you created an account.
3. You have no grounds to stand upon for a class-action lawsuit. Nothing was ever promised to you, therefore anything that happens is within the terms of service you signed, be it downtime, rollbacks, etc. As long as you aren't losing money unwittingly ( meaning you lost money and did not violate the terms of service ) then nothing can be done by any kind of lawsuit.

GG.

boostersauce · May 2013

kaobear wrote: »

Civil lawsuits rarely make it to trial. Prepare to dish out $30,000 just for the trial ... assuming you already can afford the $15,000 for pre-trial preparation. Prolonged trial will cost upwards of $90,000. Appeal will add even more. Then consider this is being suggested as a class-action lawsuit ... where the litigants are gamers on a f2p server ... if not independantly wealthy ... you won't find a lawyer (or team of lawyers) to fund this out of their own pocket on a 30% contingency fee.

Read the ToS - Rule 17 Fees

17. Fees

PWE may charge fees to access and acquire certain game items or participate in game activities on the Website and may allow the purchase of in game "points" that may be applied to the purchase of in game items or activities ("Zen") ANY APPLICABLE ZEN, FEES AND OTHER CHARGES ARE PAYABLE IN ADVANCE AND ARE NON REFUNDABLE AND NONTRANSFERABLE, IN WHOLE OR IN PART, FOR ANY REASON. ZEN HAVE NO MONETARY VALUE AND CANNOT BE REDEEMED FOR CASH. PWE may, from time to time, modify, amend, or supplement its fees, billing methods and terms applicable to Zen or to any purchases on the Website, and post those changes in these Terms, in separate Terms of Sale or in other terms or agreements posted on the Website or otherwise provided to you by PWE. Such modifications, amendments, supplements or Terms of Sale shall be effective immediately upon posting on the Website and shall be incorporated by reference into these Terms. If any change is unacceptable to you, you may cancel your account at any time.

If you claim a chargeback for any reason, we have the right to investigate and dispute such chargeback. If we believe that your chargeback requirement is spurious, unreasonable, or invalid, we may take the dispute to court. If your chargeback is deemed invalid, you agree to pay for all fees and costs resulting from the disputed chargeback, including but is not limited to legal fees and expenses, damages, monies lost due to non-operation, and chargeback fees.

Further down the ToS PWE has limited their liability and their warranties. Worst case scenario ... people who did a charge back being sued and having to pay all legal fees for PWE's attorney's plus all other non-legal fees and expenses. Do you think PWE would retain a single lawyer? Even if a lawyer or lawfirm is not retained the possibility of them hiring a single lawyer is slim.

Paying money in this game for whatever reason is at the sole discretion of the gamer. Failing to do due diligence in researching the company hosting the game, the developers history of handling exploits-bugs is solely the gamers fault. Starting a lawsuit you would need a legal basis to file a claim. I'd be interested to hear what legal basis you claim to advocate for a class-action suit where the gamers are from different countries.

Buyers Regret? Consider the amount of money you spent here and then imagine you had a huge bar tab or blew money in a casino and realize that either way you had some fun and a good time even if short. Go on with your life and realize next time to research the game better and wait to spend your money until you are satisfied with the current status the game is in.

The moment they do any wipe or rollback and refund zen to people and take away purchases is grounds for a chargeback. If they do a rollback and I lose Items or whatever I don't want the ****ty zen I want my money back for a poorly implemented system and very poorly managed game.

It's sad this game had potential. Maybe next time a pwe/cryptic developer farts and get's a bright idea someone should just straight up punch him in the face.

All the people that spent real money on this game should start a Class action Lawsuit

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