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we haven't expressed any plans to do a rollback. Just on Twitter Feed.

kaasdoekkaasdoek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
https://twitter.com/neverwintergame

Oh well, i guess if you think about it, it makes sense. PWE will not allow Cryptic to rollback. Why? Well for one, the refunds or tickets and complaints will overload the worthless support team.

But more importantly and take a moment to think about this logically. There is now a tremendous amount of AD in the game. This means inflation And that means people have to buy MORE zen to get the same item of yesterday.

Hard to expect anything fair from PWE.
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  • brockwell009brockwell009 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kaasdoek wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/neverwintergame

    Oh well, i guess if you think about it, it makes sense. PWE will not allow Cryptic to rollback. Why? Well for one, the refunds or tickets and complaints will overload the worthless support team.

    But more importantly and take a moment to think about this logically. There is now a tremendous amount of AD in the game. This means inflation And that means people have to buy MORE zen to get the same item of yesterday.

    Hard to expect anything fair from PWE.

    If this continues to be the case and rollback does not happen i will not be returning.
  • markoepmarkoep Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No actually you dont get it at all.

    THe reason behind it is clear. If they roll back they lose money. And maybe they dont have the ressources for a rollback. The game was designed and only a handful of people are responsible for it now.

    But the main point i think is the money they generated. A rollback means giving the money they earned back- wich is bad business decision. THats also why a wipe will never come to frution. What they can do is look for accounts that generated a huge amount of ad in this short time and bann them or strip theyr AD to 0.

    Everything ells is just bad business decision.
  • jnaathrajnaathra Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It is insane for rollbacks to be off the table. I mean, what part of the economy has not been affected by this? Insane amounts of AD were made. That was then used to buy items, buy zen, sell items for gold. Everything has been tainted.
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  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    "we haven't expressed any plans to do a rollback."

    LOL. PR speak at its best. Doesn't mean they are or are not thinking about it. Same sentence slightly rephrased is: we haven't told anyone we are planning to do a rollback.

    To be honest though its about what we should expect. They don't want to say anything concrete one way or the other till they see how far back this thing goes. Hopefully the rumors of it going on since day 1 are false. Also hopefully, they can find an easy way to track down the abusers and illicit AD.
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  • kaasdoekkaasdoek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    markoep wrote: »
    No actually you dont get it at all.

    THe reason behind it is clear. If they roll back they lose money. And maybe they dont have the ressources for a rollback. The game was designed and only a handful of people are responsible for it now.

    But the main point i think is the money they generated. A rollback means giving the money they earned back- wich is bad business decision. THats also why a wipe will come to frution. What they can do is look for accounts that generated a huge amount of ad in this short time and bann them or strip theyr AD to 0.

    Everything ells is just bad business decision.

    this will cost them the entire game. A 24 hour rollback might cost them some Zen transactions, but it's good for the game's future.

    Even if you ban the accounts that generated this mess, the Astral Diamonds are already in the economy. So when the AH get's online again. People will post the same T2 gear for not 500k but 5-10 mil AD. However, you still get the same amount of 5300 zen for every 50 euros and sell it at a max rate of 500 ad per 1 zen.

    This means if people don't quit this game, it is just good business, because the amount of Zen purchased will increase. It could be a gamble they are willing to take, since this looks like a sinking ship. Especially when Rift is going F2p. I was never planning to play another WoW type of game, but since i am bored and well it will be free. Why not?
  • atlanticx1atlanticx1 Member Posts: 45
    edited May 2013
    i'm already banned because i was in a party where pirate king killed more than once after his adds wiped the group..
    72 hours later when the ban is off, i will consider twice before i log back in.. i'm not gonna return to bug fest.. cba
  • stexke01stexke01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    So if i am correct, they think with just banning the people who abused the AD bug, everything is fixed and we stop talking about it? Wow this is so sad, i really feel bad for the future of this game. Apperently they have no clue how ruined the economy is now and just banning the people responsable wont help it...
  • kiraliakiralia Member Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    People in game are quoting that as proof that there will be no roll back even though it is not what it means.
  • rhoricrhoric Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wolfrat14 wrote: »
    http://www.bbb.org/

    Thank you for using the Better Business Bureau's Online Complaint System.
    Your complaint has been assigned case # 57257837.
    Correspondence regarding this complaint will be emailed to : [DELETED]
    Please print a copy of this for your records.

    Filed on : May 19 2013

    Filed by :
    [DELETED]

    Filed against :
    Perfect World Entertainment
    101 Redwood Shores Parkway Ste 400
    Redwood City CA 94065

    Complaint Description:
    Perfect World sold in-game currency for their game Neverwinter through their Guardian's Pack product. Perfect World then allowed an outrageous economic exploit to go viral within the game that rendered the in-game currency worthless. Perfect World then removed my access to the in-game currency all together, effectively re-taking possession of a product or service they had previously sold to me, thereby obtaining money under false pretenses. I do not have the in-game currency I was sold, and it's value has been terribly comprised by the ineptitude and complicity of Perfect World employees.

    Your Desired Resolution:
    A full character and server wipe and refund to all players.

    This case will be reviewed by a complaint specialist at the Better Business Bureau, and then forwarded to the business for their response. It is our policy to allow the business 10 working days to respond to your complaint. You will be notified when the business has responded.

    What would you like to do next?
    View the status of your complaint

    Lol this is funny cause you just wasted your time filing this. The BBB is useless now in the US
  • kaasdoekkaasdoek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    they actually just announced to roll back the characters that exploited this bug. I wonder what the result would be of rolling back an account with 0 Astral Diamonds because he/she dispersed them before the AH got taken down.
  • imivoimivo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1,682 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    jnaathra wrote: »
    It is insane for rollbacks to be off the table. I mean, what part of the economy has not been affected by this? Insane amounts of AD were made. That was then used to buy items, buy zen, sell items for gold. Everything has been tainted.

    I agree with this. I am genuinely surprised, but I'm giving this a few more days and hope for a sensible decision on their end. But this statement is concerning.

    Perhaps they will do something like a reversal of all auctions, exchange transactions, store purchases and AD vendor purchases, but that would still leave the problem with all the exploited AD being stashed away and distributed. A 24-48 hours rollback would be the cleanest solution. But the longer the servers are up, the smaller the chance for that to happen, I think.
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  • armorboxarmorbox Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2013
    Lol. Good luck playing with scammers and cheaters. Just do your job, pay and test.
  • skalt112skalt112 Member Posts: 1,089 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Perhaps they want to let people get more comfortable with the fct that they are not going to do anything, so they can nail them all to th wall for thier complacency.....NAAAAAAA. go get your cats everyone!
  • runebanerunebane Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    imivo wrote: »
    I agree with this. I am genuinely surprised, but I'm giving this a few more days and hope for a sensible decision on their end. But this statement is concerning.

    Perhaps they will do something like a reversal of all auctions, exchange transactions, store purchases and AD vendor purchases, but that would still leave the problem with all the exploited AD being stashed away and distributed. A 24-48 hours rollback would be the cleanest solution. But the longer the servers are up, the smaller the chance for that to happen, I think.

    I wouldn't be too worried just yet. The wording on that twitter post was just convoluted. They've already came back and said on the forums that a shard-wide rollback is not off the table. Hopefully they can find a way to sort it out.
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  • rmchayesrmchayes Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Why is this so difficult to resolve?

    Every transaction is tied to an account. Ban the ****ers and let's move on.
  • tormeantedtormeanted Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    kaasdoek wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/neverwintergame

    Oh well, i guess if you think about it, it makes sense. PWE will not allow Cryptic to rollback. Why? Well for one, the refunds or tickets and complaints will overload the worthless support team.

    But more importantly and take a moment to think about this logically. There is now a tremendous amount of AD in the game. This means inflation And that means people have to buy MORE zen to get the same item of yesterday.

    Hard to expect anything fair from PWE.


    LOL. That twitter post is after the update to the sticky thread where they said they ARE considering a shard wide rollback.
    They have no idea what's going on.
  • bingobongojrbingobongojr Member Posts: 42
    edited May 2013
    edit, hope this one works : forums kinda died so instead of edit i ended up with a double post :D
  • bingobongojrbingobongojr Member Posts: 42
    edited May 2013
    to everyone saying ur not affected by this - everyone is affected by this.

    you might just have bought a cat that was given by exploiter to his friend, who decided to sell it to you. You got a 3rd hand cat, sort of :P Which could be taken away, but i doubt they will give your diamonds back.

    just do a rollback for gods sake, i doubt anyone is against it. Well except maybe people with trillions AD :P

    and btw what happened to all those 'its a beta its a beta' people? So much about it being in a 'real' beta, lol The game pretty much crashed today, and they still dont dare to make a rollback.

    beta. sure
  • tormeantedtormeanted Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Update 12PM Pacific: We are still investigating the situation. There is a high likelihood that we will be performing character-specific rollbacks on any accounts that were found to be utilizing the exploit. Additionally, we are investigating the extent of what can additional steps can be taken to remove any illegitimately obtained Astral Diamonds that have entered into the economy. We are also investigating the possibility of a shard-wide rollback.

    READ THE LAST LINE. AND LOOK AT THE TIME. THE TWITTER GUY HASN'T GOT A CLUE!
  • jasongoemaatjasongoemaat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    How would a rollback cost them Zen transactions? They could simply refund the zen back into the player's account for any purchases made with it, and they could spend it again.
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