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Buff GWF please!
layol692k7
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
:mad:I mean we got nerfed to the floor in closed beta every other class can hit harder than us even a cleric for gods sake! give us a daily like the rogues have that at least guerentees 2 1 shots since balance do not seem to be coming in the past 4 or 5 patches. something I mean throw us a bone most GWF including myself do not even want to pvp for the AD daily much less try and do it for fun!
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once you reach 30+ they should be easy..spam unstoppable and watch them melt the key here is to make sure you hit all your encounters..so when you first get close spam couple at will atks and then after they burn their dodge/teleport..go crazy with encounters
you should be tanky so make sure you get that defends and hp up
the other fact is when u have unstoppable up, people can just run away, barrel roll, and blink away to make it useless.
if unstoppable had a speed buff then that would make it awesome.
i always get my unstoppable up 3 times whenever i do 1 v 1
This!. Using that class feature too when pvp'ng, GWF's are fine, i made mine pure pvp oriented to level up and enjoying it...
This is especially annoying because i found that often skills have a lag or dont react properly or have a very long animation to do...
i have around 1k defend at lvl 40 by the pirate area and lvling is a breeze while my mage and rogue friend having problem with the pirate boss there..i didnt even break a sweat just press tab whenever its up.
the only problem with gwf is probably damage, i agree gwf damage should've been a bit higher because we are using 2handed weapon and not 1h sword
fights with rogues and cw at level 60 only last 10-15 seconds. by the time you get unstoppable the second time you're dead. most cw abilites prevent the use of breaking out with unstoppable. steadfast determination only ticks a few points over time, its not 30% more determination.
now granted im not 60 yet but i can get unstoppable easily in 3 - 5 second against rogues, you dont need full determination bar to use unstoppable you know.
only thing that gwf lack to me is that their at will damage and threat need to be fix
Buffing their single target dps is a terrible idea since all of their attacks are designed for aoe. Their damage is low single target if all of your encounters are down and it takes a few seconds to build your unstoppable, but there isn't a single fight in the game that slows you down or puts you at risk longer then 15 seconds 1v1.
As for TR's, I also have one of these, if you know the class then it's the easiest class hands down in the game to counter. I solo TR's on my cleric, gf, gwf and cw all day long. Even two of them is no big deal. It's a simple matter of not letting them hit you with three specific attacks they have that have a very clear and obvious build up unless they are stealthed. And if you're trying to fight a tr while they are stealthed and have LA burning then you deserve to shift+2. EVERY SINGLE ONE of their attacks on all classes except the gwf can be avoided by simply hitting shift at the appropriate time.
All of the whining people make about gwf's made me make one simply to see how bad the class is, and now it's one of my favorites and my sole toon for grinding out large groups of mobs.
You're doing it wrong, very very wrong. You can melt any class in this game with any other class if you know what you are doing. Each class does have one or two that will give them particular trouble, CW ranking on each class list, but can still be handled by any class in a 1v1 setting.
If you're always losing then either your gear is that bad, or you are that bad. Either way, it's not the classes or mechanics and I'm getting beyond sick of hearing everyone complain about every other class.
The only thing that needs to be addressed in pvp is the lack of diminishing returns on cc's, and the afk botters. Other then that it's actually fairly balanced out and if you play to win instead of to just kill you can win consistently even when you have one afk botter on your team and all 5 of them are active.
You mean their SINGLE 360 degree, low damage AoE attack is op, or their low damage, very slow at-wills?
I mean, I guess they're pretty powerful if you just ignore the existence of CWs or, really, any other class's AoE encounters.
Not to mention the GWF's complete lack of a dodge mechanic, which just happens to be what this game is balanced around. I.E. you cannot dodge attacks simply by "hitting shift at the appropriate time." You'll still get hit, unlike every other class.
You must have missed that I have a CW as well, so I'm not speaking from lack of knowledge. A cw is heavy aoe but can't take a hit comparatively, a gwf can tank the damage while dealing it out, and if using your 260' at will after pressing tab you'll swing so fast that everything literally melts around you, after you slow back down you hit your encounters.
GWF > CW for mass aoe farming mobs. Their only handicap is they can't just shift dodge away and range attacks are lol'able, but as a fair trade, we can just hit tab and now we can't be stopped, as well as hold shift to rapidly get to where we want to go.
I top damage inside dungeons everytime on my GWF, then again I'll top damage on every toon I play save my GF when spec'd purely to tank and my cleric when spec'd for heals. As for pvp I top the charts every time as well in those(in kills, points and least deaths), even if by some strange chance my side loses I'll still be sitting at number one and it's all from farming kills guarding 1 and 3 with the occasional rush to 2 so I can pick off the CW or heals before getting back to my posts.
It's not the classes that are the issue's, it's the players. Again, the only adjustments that need to be made are the ones I listed above.
For those who state I'm taking rogue 2 vs 1 like a breathe... don't make me laugh, with t2 epic set Lashing blade hits tanks for 80% of their HP. Rogue are retardedly OP, I'm a rogue, I know.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
For an otherwise well written post that last line is utter bovine excrement. I don't know what sort of useless TRs you have been facing but I have never been beaten overall by a non-TR or CW in PvP, and there is no way a GWF is taking on two equally skilled and geared TRs and coming out of that fight in anything other than little pieces.
"Everything is perfectly fine, I'm amazing, and I say so, therefore nothing needs to change. Did I mention I'm amazing? Every class is perfectly fine and balanced. Just like every other newly released mmo, there is no need to look at balancing."
Derp.
I love the way GWF plays, but it seriously lacks in the damage department.
Sure Strike could use a 250-300% boost in damage and WMS could use a 150-200% boost. I would err on the side of 300 and 200 respectively. That leaves you not having to re-balance encounters for PvP (though they could use a boost as well) and allows GWF to actually do damage in PVE.
Slam should also become uncapped, there's no reason to have a 30' AoE that hits 5 targets. Maybe if I was doing a solo dungeon, but in T2 epics this is just lol. Up until T2 epics, GWF does pretty good. You can routinely come out #1 and #2 on DPS if you don't fall asleep doing T1 or below. After that, it's pretty difficult.
Right now, GWF doesn't dps, it doesn't cc, it doesn't heal. The only thing I do in dungeons is pull mobs better than other classes to bring them to other people to kill and that only serves the purpose to speed up the run a bit because I'm already slowing it down. If I was a 2nd TR for my group, we would kill faster anyway.
I so agree the damage a GWF does is meh at best
Learn to play your class.
GWF's are meatshields and aoe monster's. And for PvP I'm going to stop giving away the severe advantage that is a GWF, you'll have to figure it out or find it.
At the higher levels a GWF has a chance against rogues and cw, but no, it's not easy, and if you think it is, you are probably playing against terrible opponents, especially if you are talking about the level 60 realm of PvP. The CW and the Rogue both can do insanely powerful alpha strikes that do around 15000 damage in one hit regardless of how much defense you have. You on the other hand, have no means of dodging these attacks.
Again, the GWF has a CHANCE against rogues and cws at the higher end, but it's not easy unless they are bad players or you're talking about 2 or 3 v 1. At level 60 PvP, a coordinated double rogue, double mage, or mage rogue team can instantly kill you in less than 1 second by simply unloading their alpha strikes on you. Just keep that in mind.
Not to troll you or anything, but what level is your GWF and what level PvP are you talking about here? After hundreds of PvP matches, including level 60, the GWF may top the chart sometimes if you are good, but it won't be anywhere near like everytime or even most of the time. GWF has a chance against all the classes, but skilled players at any of the other classes will give you a very hard time, especially the CW and TR that can dish out 15000 damage in a single hit.
Now if you are referring to your scores when you are running in a premade group of coordinated players vs random groups matched up by the system...then I can find your answer more believable, but with the understanding that it's not really your skill at the class that is the cause of your numbers, just your group.
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
GWF ****'s on rogue/cw.
Now, giving GWF a Dodger? Oh hell yes, I would love that long time! lol
What's the secret then? The AOEs don't do that much more damage than the single target at wills, only advantage is I can hit more than one target at a time. Unstoppable? Again, if I'm doing what I should be doing I'm behind the monsters hitting them so I don't take damage my unstoppable doesn't go up because I need to get hit for it to go up. If I'm in front I get hit so hard that I need to run away and pop a pot because I'm nearly dead or try to run because I just popped one and the pot recharge time is ridiculous. Or I get in front get unstoppable up, work on the monster fro a while, he tries to hit me a couple times, I sprint behind him, if the delay doesn't get me, and continue to go to work. Problem with that is sprints out so fast I get maybe two them I'm so slow I can evade any of the attacks, boom hit for a thousand again.
I understand what I'm supposed to be doing, I'm just having trouble doing it.
It was hard until 20, than I was ok until I got to about 30, then it started getting harder again. My cleric is getting more and more useless, everythings two levels above me. I'm in Helms hold now. Little example, I pulled a shock troop warlord and it took me I don't know 5 or 6 minutes to kill it, some running, a pot or two. I saw a rogue same level basically drop one no problem. I'm avoiding them over there because they beat me up...hes charging them.
I love pulling big groups and taking them down but if they powerful at all and you have 5 or 6 on you your health the plummets and even using AOEs your damage can't keep up. I did a foundry mission and I kept getting killed by the mobs at the end, I ran out of health pots and I had a lot.
Tell me what I'm doing wrong? I want to know, I'm trying. I did just get WMS so maybe that will finally start to help, but up till 35 its been a grind and not always fun.
Don't take it as Im not having fun, I am, Im just saying that sometimes it very frustrating and there is a problem.
15 kills with my gwf on a 4 v 5 match
and yes i got teamed up with 4 people cause of afker yet i still get 15 kills
30 - 39 pvp.. i have another for 40 - 49 pvp but forgot to screenie it
and yes i know we are losing thats why i post that because its a 4 v 5 and its hard to win when you only have 4 people against 5 , but im posting this to let people know that its possible to do good with gwf on pvp even at low lvl bracket
Sorry but that screen shot does not prove any thing, it does not prove that GWF is "ok", nor does it show that it is over or under powered.
Your teammates have mass amounts of assists, showing that all of the kills for your team were all team efforts. All that shows is good group target selection.
Your teammate rogue and wizard also have the most deaths, assuming an average skill level across the board that can only mean they were perceived as the largest threat and targeted over you.
A screen shot does nothing to prove the argument of either side.