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With this rolling system you wont even survive 1 month.
asdfqwertys
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 29 Arc User
Title says everything..Awesome job cryptic.
Lets bypass the fact that dungeon queue is so long about to 1 hour for anything.
Lets bypass the fact that trash/bosses are made for blind console players and require no skill at all but since they are so big you need 40mins to finish them anyway..
Lets just lose every item for our class because everyone can roll on everything and then the winner simply mocks you are the end with "Gg **** you noobs, thanks for the AD".
Oh i know..NEW OFFER, 10.000 ZEN, BLOCK OTHERS FROM ROLLING ON YOUR CLASS GEAR, NOW ONLY ON THE ZEN STORE!
I dont really see the reason to play this game when the rolling system is like this.
Lets bypass the fact that dungeon queue is so long about to 1 hour for anything.
Lets bypass the fact that trash/bosses are made for blind console players and require no skill at all but since they are so big you need 40mins to finish them anyway..
Lets just lose every item for our class because everyone can roll on everything and then the winner simply mocks you are the end with "Gg **** you noobs, thanks for the AD".
Oh i know..NEW OFFER, 10.000 ZEN, BLOCK OTHERS FROM ROLLING ON YOUR CLASS GEAR, NOW ONLY ON THE ZEN STORE!
I dont really see the reason to play this game when the rolling system is like this.
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What better happen when Paladins are introduced someday...A glorious union it shall be.
What this guy said.
Let your life proceed by its own designs
Nothing to tell
Let the words be yours, I'm done with mine ...
You got a point there! I actualy feel that the loot roll system could be improved, meaning if an item is red to you, you could only greet it and expect no one else wanted it. Today I run Cloak Tower with my rogue and there was another rogue in the queue group that didn't do anything besides kitting all the mobs for no apparent reason. Result: he won EVERY SINGLE loot roll, both red ones and usefull ones like 2 blue items that I actualy need it. He ended up quitting the group right before the last boss. This is realy sad for players like me that run dungeons to find good loot to actualy use them and end up with nothing.
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And THIS is the problem right here. What makes that drop Yours? Simply because on a random roll of 1 to 5 it hit your class? Didn't everyone put in the same amount of work? And yet everyone rolling equally on an item they all equally helped to get is such heresy as to be worthy of blacklisting and banning. Now ill agree, it can be a bit rude. But rude is not against the rules. In fact the rules, as provided by Cryptic, are pretty clear.
All gear is BOE not BOP. This was a conscience choice by Cryptic.
Having the AH run on AD, meaning it is border line real money transactions, is a huge green light to gear trading.
Cryptic has heard and completely ignored, and remained silent, on all issues about changing the need/greed system.
How much clearer can it get. This rule about only rolling need on class items is a player rule that has no bearing or support from cryptic.
Personally, I feel this entire need/greed garbage needs to simply go away. its old school and past its time. Id much prefer the system to distribute loot automatically and privately so none of this loot jealously would happen. And so that everyone can still come out with something. But you don't see me crying in every thread about it. Nor do I honestly expect it to ever happen.
"If you want to play the game and have fun, join a guild or be punished for not joining one!"
That sounds like a fun game with an awesome community. Welcome to Neverwinter!
The point the OP is trying to make is that new players are going to get a horrible impression of this system the moment they queue up for a dungeon, are the only one of their class in the party, and their items get ninja'd from them to be sold on the auction house because of the awful greed induced system that is currently in place (and won't ever go away). The only people who will be playing this game by October will be our brave northern heroes of the white knight's roundtable because they'll be too swollen with pride over that luxurious $200 they spent and they'll be here, wondering where everyone went.
You have facts to back that up? Because I disagree. Its more reasonable to assume most new players don't even understand the whole need/greed system and the whole player created social norms in its use.
Cryptic didn't decide what should be needed or not. Or they would of made the system different. It is the players. Players who have experience with similar systems in other games. So its the experienced players that are angry of this. Not the new ones. The new ones honestly, really wouldn't have any frame of reference to know better.
I recall one new player in CO recalling how she never clicked greed. Simply because she didn't want to seem greedy. If you didn't know any better, would you click the greed button? And this is hardly a singular case.
It was like this in WoW for the longest time even if it had bind on pickup items. They changed it now so you can't need on certain items, but then there is still an issue with offspec.
It's strange for some reason I need on everything now that isn't red which is a total opposite I do in WoW because it's usually greed. Even those uncommon profession items I need on. Maybe most items should just be auto roll.
Maybe I should have been more clear in that I don't mean people who are new to MMOs. I mean people who are new to Neverwinter. Most MMOs have need/greed systems and before anyone flames me, I know what Guild Wars 2 is and I've played it.
while i agree with you OP... its not as big an issue as i think you are making it out to be... just dont run end game content with pugs problem solved.
I'm sorry, but anyone who has played a recent MMO knows the need/greed system.
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No offense but if someone does that, that person is ****ing clueless and needs to have his or her pc removed!
@headlesshorseman
Well they *should* have set it up so that each person gets their own personal loot.
The crazy part is that's how STO already works.
WoW has last about, what is it now? 8 years? And still strong.
What does WoW have to do with it? rolling system was no different for years.
You will get the Dbags time to time. Sure They shoulda made class gear only need roll, but meh, im accustomed to this type of rolling anyway.
Maybe NEED should be grayed out if you can't use that item.
Here's the thing: you agree something is broken. You know that it sucks that random people can roll on anything. You can solve the problem for yourself by avoiding random groups, but you know there's a problem, so why the hell are you shutting down the feedback here? Fixing the rolling system solves the problem for everyone, isn't that better?
Your antisocial argument is laughable! If the Devs support this sort of behavior then why is it a need/greed/pass system at all, if they wanted to support your "Me generation" "new school" approach they would have made it a roll/pass system.
I just love reading the justifications of the self absorbed. please get with Webster's & read the definition of "Need" then when you are done read the definition of "greed" your picture is there after all..........
Only if you agree that the rolling system needs fixing.
If you make this change, I hope you're ready to hear things like:
"I won't queue for that, nothing drops for my class there."
Followed by:
"I've been in the queue forever! Fix nao Cryptic!"
Yeah this is NOT a solution.
I don't let it be a problem to me. I pick up enough gear in missions. My inventory bursts with gear. I focus on the fun.
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Go to Webster's and look up the definition of "fair."
Everyone rolling is fair. It may not be efficient, but it's fair.
Class-based Need is only fair if the instance drops equally attractive loot for all classes, which the current instances do not. So while you're hurling insults around, realize that you want to force an unfair loot distribution scheme on the playerbase.