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Control wizards are too weak
themightycthulhu
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Why are wizards so weak, they wear cloth armor so should do most damage yet the rogue always get top dps why is this?
I looked forward to Neverwinter because D&D has always gotten it right, wizards are glass cannons and plate wearers are tanks yet in this you have gotten it very wrong. If rogues can do so much damage then they should wear cloth and wizards wear leather.
I looked forward to Neverwinter because D&D has always gotten it right, wizards are glass cannons and plate wearers are tanks yet in this you have gotten it very wrong. If rogues can do so much damage then they should wear cloth and wizards wear leather.
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Trickster Rogue is a striker (aka DPS) while Control Wizard is a controller (aka... control...). They are meant to do more damage. If you want to be a dps caster, you will have to wait for the Scourge Warlock that is coming "soon", or War Wizard which who knows when. They haven't gotten it wrong, it's the way it is in 4e, which this is based on.
I love mage classes so i took this but will change when a pure dps mage comes out :P
Waiting for a cool sig T.T
lol.. seriously though, I'm level 60 CW with about an 8500 Gear Score and I have NEVER been outdamaged by anyone in dungeons throughout all my leveling. I'm fine with where we are at now, but if they wanna buff us, then who am I to say no? Unlike some classes such as the GWF, I thoroughly enjoyed playing CW from 1-60.
I'm at the same Gear score like you are and i feel the same. Tried the single target dps specc but the only thing it was viable for was pvp. (medium-high damage + alot of control/stuns) 1-60 was awesome playing as a CW, had a few deaths during my solo leveling but no real hard problems.
Then 4E is HAMSTER and should revert back to 3E or better yet 2E.
No wonder everyone I know have stopped playing pen and paper D&D since it gets crappier with each new edition.
>>lower dps than melee
I just stopped reading there OP and im going to assume you are dense.
While we are on it - why my rogue has worse tanking capabilities than defender?
Wizards are meant to deal massive damage and if Cryptic's version of the Control Wizard turns out to be underpowered then he needs a buff.
Capish?
Dude WTF is your problem little man? I am so sick of seeing you flame and insult people you don't agree with! We're you raised in a single parent home or something? If you don't have something constructive or helpful to say then shut the hell up. Does anyone monitor these forums? You can look at this guys history and it is filled with insults and flaming. You can't have civil discussion because of punks like this. Someone freaking administer this HAMSTER and ban jerks like this.
We have 2 fighter elite classes - great weapon fighter, and defender (actually GWF isnt as great as it should be but thats another topic). CONTROL wizard is supposed to be CONTROL class aka "STUN" "THROW" "DISABLE" Class. Be glad you have any sort of dmg skills. When they release another wizard class that is OFFENSIVE wizard class - then you can qq about low dps if it will be low.
Tell me why GWF cant tank as good as defender, and defender can dish out same dmg as GWF? guess why - they serve different purpose.
And on a sidenote if in all rpgs you played all wizard classes as pure dps im feeling bad for you because you missed a lot on tactics options in baldurs gate or icewind dale.
Well resolving to calling me a jerk for sure is polite
And no to be perfectly clear - not all of my posts are inflamatory, but some for sure can be seen like that.
On a sidenote though - I do agree with you that my original post in this thread was too harsh.
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
Get your head out of your HAMSTER.
Rogue - striker do triple overall dmg than another class. Rogue have better AOE then CW. And also rogue have a CC (disarm).
If me compare rogue vs cw. Rogue is OP.
It's easy to top the DPS chart when you are decked out in purples but like me who have greens or blues at best we get laught at when doing the Cloak Tower for barely doing more damage than the Cleric.
Only if you do the same
Look my point is - you shouldnt get more or equal dmg to rogue because:
- you are ranged
- you can constantly push back people from you
- you can use "shift" 3 times when rogue can only do it twice without running out of stamina
Its impossible to balance everything but cw, rogue, cleric - are fine. If anything needs a buff its wariors.
Cryptic has stayed true to the 4e formula where a Wizards role is a Controller. Allow me to quote directly from the 4th edition PHB;
That being said, yes, wizards can do quite a bit of damage in PnP because it is much easier to just adapt the rules to what you prefer as a DM. Also, you get more choice over what at-wills, encounters, dailies and utility powers to choose from. Heck, you can even create your own. What we must do however, is remind ourselves that this cannot be applied to an MMO.
The design decision of the Control Wizard in Neverwinter has been made by Cryptic, closely supervised by Wizards of the Coast. Considering it is their license being used they sure have a vested interest seeing that it remains as true to their core rules as possible.
Now, are control wizards too weak? Hardly. Can they be built to be more focused on damage? definetly. Will that change their role into Striker? Nope. The Warlock and Ranger classes are also strikers, be on the lookout for those in the future!
Good thing then that I have financially supported an upcoming fantasy MMORPG who sticks with the D&D 3.5 Edition rules since this 4th Edition seems to be pure garbage.
When I did Cloak Tower (and the next dungeon - forgot the name), I was almost always rank 1 in DPS and 4/5 in DMG Taken. Sometimes i rank 2 with another CW in rank 1 or a rouge but with a small difference. There was 2 times I got rank 3 (the other was rank 4), and that was when the party had higher levels. (I was 20, they were 24+).
Oh and, all gears I use are either from quests or dungeon drops (greens and 1 blue item).
Oh and I must mention that i spec'd the feats to pure power (attack/crit etc...).
Waiting for a cool sig T.T
Anyway, I am 45 CWizard and I kick many rogue's ***'s!
Bad CWs push mobs away so TRs cant do effective single target DPS, thus making clearing mob packs chaos where mobs are scattered all over the place.
Good CWs know when to throw mobs down from ledge and when to keep them in one place.
It's not DPS race who has most dmg in the end, but group effort to clear the content as easy and fast as possible. Bad CWs will easily increase clear times by 5-10 minutes or make it even nearly impossible to kill some packs.
OMG I hate when I'm grouped with another CW and all they use is repel. It's like are you for real? It reminds me of when DK's were released in wow and people would use the pull on mobs or in pvp to pull things out of cc. People are dumb.
All I ask is we can kill things we slowdown without having out health knocked down to 1/3. it might be better once I can have a companion that either tanks or heals but until then the Control wizard sucks.
L55 with mostly pre-50 greens doing 1.7-1.9m :rolleyes:
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
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