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OP pay to win starter weapon, did you use it?
noroblad
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For those that paid, you get a level 15 weapon to start out after hitting NW city.
I did not pay much attention to what was bought (my wife bought this game for both of us on a whim) and played my first couple of characters to level 10 without it (I restarted several times to get a feel for the game and classes). And the levels were fairly difficult with the low DPS, very difficult against the 2-3 "tougher mob" pull (like enforcer, hexer, and 5 goons type pulls, or later "constantly spawn adds" bosses).
How many actually played 1-15 with the available weapons (not the pay to win item) ?? Is this related to the comments that "after 20 it gets harder" because people finally have to play with an on-level dps rating? I found that not using the weapon, the game stays at a pretty consistent difficulty.
I did not pay much attention to what was bought (my wife bought this game for both of us on a whim) and played my first couple of characters to level 10 without it (I restarted several times to get a feel for the game and classes). And the levels were fairly difficult with the low DPS, very difficult against the 2-3 "tougher mob" pull (like enforcer, hexer, and 5 goons type pulls, or later "constantly spawn adds" bosses).
How many actually played 1-15 with the available weapons (not the pay to win item) ?? Is this related to the comments that "after 20 it gets harder" because people finally have to play with an on-level dps rating? I found that not using the weapon, the game stays at a pretty consistent difficulty.
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Yea mind flayers are a *****. Least they got that right :P
And yes, it is a pay to win item. For real money you get to power level all your characters. It is not a bad thing, but real (not cosmetic or consumable) items for money is what pay to win means.
But I've mainly kept it so far because the tool tips still suggest it's the 'recommended' weapon over others that I have received (even if the greens I get have better dps, NW tells me my blue is 'recommended' because it has more stats), and I want to see how long it states that as I progress, more out of curiosity of how well the 'recommended' system works.
In my personal opinion people who are exploiting the foundry to power level their way to endgame content are completely missing the point. The prevailing attitude now a days in these game is rush rush rush to endgame then complain.
P2W only exists when the gameplay of a player directly affects the other player's enjoyment of the game. The only time that happens is in PvP. Someone power leveling in a game with something they bought does not affect your enjoyment of the game, at least it shouldn't. Why should you care how fast someone levels up?
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Again it is not pay to win since it is worthless at endgame. It is just a helper weapon that you out grow in your late teens. I think players need to really think what pay to win really means.....it means you cannot pass a certain point without X item IE you are locked out unless you spend real money. The only thing close to a pay to win in this game are the nightmare lockboxes which you have to buy keys for.
What exactly did you 'win'? Getting through the first 20 levels of a 60 level game easier?
This bothers you why again?
FYI most of the founders bought the pack for more than that weapon - in fact I wasn't even aware of its existence when I purchased mine.
You can pvp with it at the lower levels, you can pvp by level 10 I think (?). That would be an (minor) issue but certainly rough for the free to play folks.
I found the higher dps 16-17 items better than the blue's stats, personally. The "recommended" gear label is useless -- it is too basic and ignores class. Best I can tell it adds up the "points" an item has and "recommends" the highest total. Even if it recommends your rogue to swap out 250 points of crit and armor pen to get 300 points of regeneration or something....... need more AI in the recommended logic.
It does not bother me at all. Pay to win is simply a description. I do not care why people bought their packs, that seems unrelated. Its a simple question really: was the "gets harder at 20-30" due to this item. That is all I am asking. I am not bothered by anything, merely curious.
What do you win? Time and low level pvp events being the 2 things here.
I guess I would say its more of a PfC game? Pay for convenience. I don't really like the direction the industry seems to be going with this especially in regard to things like bank slots and inventory space, it seems like a slippery slope. However, these things are not required for you to progress in the game.
Kidding. But on a serious note I really love the Greycloak weapon. Considering it was given to people who were given beta access, and on the pretense that those people actually used their beta time to the fullest (debatable), it really helps breezing through those early levels, especially when you're still coping with all of the changes and switched around powers and trees that Free to Play folks didn't have to get accustomed to.
I may love the game, but there's only so many times I can do the opening quests without just wishing there was an easy way to blow through it all. Thankfully, this comes just fine. As when the weapon is nearing it's final levels (going into lvl 20) it stops being an overpowered super weapon, and just another blue with pretty pimpin stats. This happens at around 16, depending on your build, tastes, and class. So even in a PvP Stand-point you're technically only given a REAL advantage if everyone on the enemy team is level 10, and so are you. Even then the power difference is negligible. And even without the weapon that bracket will get blown through so fast most players will barely notice it.
Pay to Win is a harsh term though. This game is far from Combat Arms standards, where someone can drop bills on an item that no one else can get (I.E Grenade Launcher), unless they pay up as well. Whereas in this game, as was said before, you're only really paying for convenience. And even then, the advantages are measured in inches, not feet.
But yeah, love it. Can't wait to see what it looks like on future classes!
Arrows and Blades do not have names on them.
They are addressed, "To whom it may concern.."
It's better than Tier 2.... :-D
WHY was it given? I suspect because many of us have been playing the same 20 to 30 levels over, and over, and over, and over, and ove... - during all the beta weekends (and some of us in Alpha, etc) ... you get the idea. I think it's just a little something the Devs gave us to say "We know you're probably just this side of going nauseous at playing those levels. Here's a pill to help ease the pain."
Wasn't when I compared it for a wizard, it was between 1 and 2.
My alt/guardian got the founder pack and went through mobs like a hot knife through soft butter. I didn't come across a better weapon until I was in my 20s.
tl;dr Yes there is a major difference.
but it does more harm then good , because I totally forgot to check for better weapons . Next thing I know I'm level 27 and cant kill anything ..opps using a level 15 weapon
Now I check every weapon I loot . If you look its not much better then the level 10 blue you can buy when you first get to town .
O_o How? I have played BW2&3, got my cleric to 30. I have 2 cleric's in Open Beta (lvls 24 and 9...what can I say, I love healers) and it's a cakewalk. I have kicked *** the entire time, no special packs, just dropped gear.
I liked the game so much I bought the Guardian founders pack last night for the mount/companion. I don't see at all how 1-15 is "brutal" on cleric. I breezed through the content more than once using like no pots. Clerics are bad ***.
I love having it because I dont have to take so much time to get my new alts up and running.
I also wouldn't classify it as pay to win.
To cure you curiosity i will tell you the recommend logic is completely useless.