what am i doing wrong? i have 100k AD at 60.

kaydiechi · May 2013

so could somone please help explain to me what i need to be doing at 60 to make AD? the prices for even little things like a teleport scroll, or removing an enchant are 4k/30-50k, i just hit 60 a bit ago and i haven't spent a single AD, i have 100k of them, i have 1/7th the money required to get even the blue mount upgrade, is there any way to get reasonable AD with out buying lockboxes or zen? because icant quite afford to do so, ive tried selling everything ican on the AH but i just dont get anything valuable, at all...

maybe people are just getting lucky or everybody and their mother are selling zen but i have no clue what the game intended players to do at 60 to be able to afford such things with out months of farming for evne the tiniest little things, i mean, the dailies give 3k astral diamonds a peice....... really?

if anyone could help me or give me some tips on how to make AD so i can actually progress id apprecaite it

timm4444 · May 2013

I make 15k ad in about a hour farming the blacklake skirmish during the 1000 ad event as a GF.

takes about an hour to get to level 6 ( the min level to queue ) and I can usually do around 30 runs before I out level the queue.

then buy zen off the exchange (as it its account wide) delete the character and repeat.

I also do AH sniping on bids. ( can't believe people still put 1 AD min bid on +250K items )

masochist33 · May 2013

I am no where near 60...but I would assume that extensive use of the auction house...which deals in AD...would be the best income.

timm4444 · May 2013

masochist33 wrote: »

I am no where near 60...but I would assume that extensive use of the auction house...which deals in AD...would be the best income.

it is, provided one has a good sum of AD to start and it is not without risk.

imivo · May 2013

The game is F2P, but it isn't free to develop and run, and someone has to pay for it. If you don't want to put in the time, you will have to support the game with money. The only other way is to sell stuff in the AH, because as you said, just farming ADs through dailies is not going to cut it. 100k after less than a week sounds fine to me, and time doesn't seem to be a problem.

You could also try to create an attractive Foundry Quest and get tips that way. I usually tip quality quests 250-500 AD each, and 50-150 for the more mediocre ones, unless they are really terrible.

I agree, though, that the costs for removing rank 5 and up runes is too high. Everything else seems OK to me.

kaydiechi · May 2013

eh, again, my point is even simple things like reskinning costs me 60k for a green, even at the rates you guys project, itd take me days for one item... hell it'd take me almost an hour for one tp scroll.. =.='

terradraconis · May 2013

I don't know but I've gained 210K by level 20. And that without really trying.

timm4444 · May 2013

kaydiechi wrote: »

eh, again, my point is even simple things like reskinning costs me 60k for a green, even at the rates you guys project, itd take me days for one item... hell it'd take me almost an hour for one tp scroll.. =.='

thats the "price" of playing for "free"

is your time more important than your money? or the other way around. . .

scyris · May 2013

The game is probally heavily pay2win more so since its on PW here and all their games are like that. Also please tell me that you can't buy ingame items using cash shop currency?

imivo · May 2013

kaydiechi wrote: »

eh, again, my point is even simple things like reskinning costs me 60k for a green, even at the rates you guys project, itd take me days for one item... hell it'd take me almost an hour for one tp scroll.. =.='

None of that is essential, though. I don't buy or use teleport scrolls. Heck, I bought 15M ADs and have not touched them, nor have I touched the 2.6M from the founder packs. No plans to do this any time soon. I bought the phoenix companion for 300k and have about 600k additional ADs. So that is close to a million I made just by playing. I currently buy/resell stuff to get another 400k so I can get the cat.

My only AD expenses so far have been tips. Just today I sold a level 60 blue that I got from PvP for almost 100k (admittedly, it was very well itemized for clerics). There is a luck component, and AH prices will not stay that high, but I do feel the game is very playable without any of the stuff that costs a lot of ADs.

terradraconis · May 2013

scyris wrote: »

The game is probally heavily pay2win more so since its on PW here and all their games are like that. Also please tell me that you can't buy ingame items using cash shop currency?

Well I doubt is since no one has been able to prove that case. A P2W game should be easy to prove just show the items that are P2W and defend your choice of items.

timm4444 · May 2013

scyris wrote: »

The game is probally heavily pay2win more so since its on PW here and all their games are like that. Also please tell me that you can't buy ingame items using cash shop currency?

here is a crazy idea. . .

How about you play the game for a little while and then decide if you think it is P2W ( you will "probally" say it is, as you seem biased against PWE already )

caleshh · May 2013

scyris wrote: »

The game is probally heavily pay2win more so since its on PW here and all their games are like that. Also please tell me that you can't buy ingame items using cash shop currency?

Troll.....there are a million posts on this subject. If you want to help the OP then do so....otherwise troll your comments on those threads

lokaidraxmartis · May 2013

kaydiechi wrote: »

so could somone please help explain to me what i need to be doing at 60 to make AD? the prices for even little things like a teleport scroll, or removing an enchant are 4k/30-50k, i just hit 60 a bit ago and i haven't spent a single AD, i have 100k of them, i have 1/7th the money required to get even the blue mount upgrade, is there any way to get reasonable AD with out buying lockboxes or zen? because icant quite afford to do so, ive tried selling everything ican on the AH but i just dont get anything valuable, at all...

maybe people are just getting lucky or everybody and their mother are selling zen but i have no clue what the game intended players to do at 60 to be able to afford such things with out months of farming for evne the tiniest little things, i mean, the dailies give 3k astral diamonds a peice....... really?

if anyone could help me or give me some tips on how to make AD so i can actually progress id apprecaite it

What people are doing to earn ginormous amounts of AD is the following

1: find a heavy hardcore pve guild or find a group of 4 buddies you can rely on to clear content
2: do the epic hardcore dungeons clear them, gear up
3: anytime you find an item no one can use they take that epic and roll on it, winner takes and sells it on the market, or sell it and split the AD.

This is what people are doing to make the massive amounts of AD, but simple fact of the matter is most people arent going to be inclined to do this. Your average player is probably going to struggle to find a reliable group and then is also the " ninja " tactic some players will resort to...

zahinder · May 2013

A p2w game is more like 'you can't use blue or purple gear unless you pay $1 per item to unlock each item'

kiralyn · May 2013

timm4444 wrote: »

thats the "price" of playing for "free"

is your time more important than your money? or the other way around. . .

There's still an issue of balance, time vs reward. Comparing NWO to STO, for instance - STO only lets you refine 8k dilithium (vs 24k AD), but the prices are MUCH lower. Also, you can get your 8k dilithium in about an hour once you know how. 24k AD seems like it could take quite a while (3k for a 45m dungeon, etc, etc.) On the other hand, STO doesn't have auctioning for that currency, the AH uses "gold". So it'll take a bit of time to see how balanced the economy & prices are.

We'll have to see how it all shakes out... I know that both dilithium earning rates & costs in STO have been adjusted several times, so the system could still be rebalanced.

(60k AD to do an appearance change on a single armor piece seems high, though.... three days of extensive play for just that? Hmm.)

terradraconis · May 2013

zahinder wrote: »

A p2w game is more like 'you can't use blue or purple gear unless you pay $1 per item to unlock each item'

Haven't seen that with this game.

zahinder · May 2013

Right, that's my point. PW has been very smart about keeping away from P2w while being enticing to spend.

timm4444 · May 2013

kiralyn wrote: »

There's still an issue of balance, time vs reward. Comparing NWO to STO, for instance - STO only lets you refine 8k dilithium (vs 24k AD), but the prices are MUCH lower. Also, you can get your 8k dilithium in about an hour once you know how. 24k AD seems like it could take quite a while (3k for a 45m dungeon, etc, etc.) On the other hand, STO doesn't have auctioning for that currency, the AH uses "gold". So it'll take a bit of time to see how balanced the economy & prices are.

We'll have to see how it all shakes out... I know that both dilithium earning rates & costs in STO have been adjusted several times, so the system could still be rebalanced.

(60k AD to do an appearance change on a single armor piece seems high, though.... three days of extensive play for just that? Hmm.)

I cap the 24 rough ad refine limit daily in under 2 hours. . .its not hard. . .

indelible · May 2013

timm4444 wrote: »

here is a crazy idea. . .

How about you play the game for a little while and then decide if you think it is P2W ( you will "probally" say it is, as you seem biased against PWE already )

PWE and Cryptic open themselves up to such bias. They straddle a very, very fine line when it comes to the ethical value of their RMT services and items. They don't go out and sell the items themselves, but they do sell things that enable players to get those items. It's more a "pay to have an advantage" affair than a flat-out "pay to win" affair.

I mean... compare NW and STO to a game that ACTUALLY doesn't have any form of paid for winning going on (Path of Exile, for example). Cryptic and Perfect World are schooled by Grinding Gear Games when it comes to "the debate".

Cryptic don't really care though. At the end of the day, the people making the decisions aren't making them based on a love of gaming and more a love of money. The people making Neverwinter and STO may very well care about the franchises and the games, but the guys at the top... don't. They just care about margins and what bonuses they're going to get at the end of the year.

dcrawler69 · May 2013

So what is more important in this game, zen or AD? I have zen, but zero AD.

terradraconis · May 2013

The vast majority of items are for sale using AD. Only a subset are for sale using Zen. Some important ones though.

zahinder · May 2013

I've played p2w games, where you will NEVER compete without spend in cash.

You can't fight in pvp without bought items. You can't access content without buying it.

Heck, DDO is a nice game, but you pretty much have to spend cash on modules after level 4 or so.

People lack self-control and blame pw for a nice set up.
Do I wish it was cheaper? Of course! I wish the entire game was free and paid for by wealthy multinational corporations.

Barring that...

terradraconis · May 2013

Nobody every backs up the claim that NWNO is a P2W game. They just toss it out as if making the claim is enough. To support that claim don't you have to demonstrate that the best gear is ONLY available for $$? If you can get the same or better in game using in game resources then isn't it by definition not P2W.

dcrawler69 · May 2013

terradraconis wrote: »

The vast majority of items are for sale using AD. Only a subset are for sale using Zen. Some important ones though.

Is it applicable to purchase AD via the conversion house? Don't you lose any zen if no one purchases it for AD?

revelation0x · May 2013

terradraconis wrote: »

I don't know but I've gained 210K by level 20. And that without really trying.

timm4444 wrote: »

I cap the 24 rough ad refine limit daily in under 2 hours. . .its not hard. . .

i love how kids like these never care to enlighten us with any evidence. "oh sure, i make 100k AD every two minutes but if you ask me how, i won't tell you because i actually don't."
talk is cheap.

kaydiechi · May 2013

revelation0x wrote: »

i love how kids like these never care to enlighten us with any evidence. "oh sure, i make 100k AD every two minutes but if you ask me how, i won't tell you because i actually don't."
talk is cheap.

this pretty much is all i ever see when i ask for advice, how do you people make so much ad, i didn't ask for a p2w debate, i am poor irl and i cant afford to buy zen, but i would like to make AD, im asking for the best ways to do so.

dtrain69 · May 2013

kaydiechi wrote: »

this pretty much is all i ever see when i ask for advice, how do you people make so much ad, i didn't ask for a p2w debate, i am poor irl and i cant afford to buy zen, but i would like to make AD, im asking for the best ways to do so.

Leadership and dailies mate.

And praying. Only the first 3? times though.

kaydiechi · May 2013

dtrain69 wrote: »

Leadership and dailies mate.

And praying. Only the first 3? times though.

i still dont get how getting 300 astral diamonds 3 times a day from praying at 60, 3k fora daily that takes an hour to complete, somehow can justify 45000 costs for removing asingle gem, 70000 to reskin a weapon 4000 costs for tp scrolls, 1,000,000 for mount, the artificially raised prices to the tune of 200-300 thousand for a single crafting asset..

everything people are telling me just makes no sense, unless you're all aware that it would take virtually months to farm a single item with 4-5 hours of gameplay a day. and just think that somehow that's reasonable.

rapticor · May 2013

terradraconis wrote: »

Nobody every backs up the claim that NWNO is a P2W game. They just toss it out as if making the claim is enough. To support that claim don't you have to demonstrate that the best gear is ONLY available for $$? If you can get the same or better in game using in game resources then isn't it by definition not P2W.

Bags are $10. And you need bags to win the game so... Obviously NW is pay to win!

djynni · May 2013

timm4444 wrote: »

thats the "price" of playing for "free"

I've played a lot of MMOs - the price of playing THIS game is a lot higher than any except the Asian MMOs which have a similar price structure. In the American MMOs that I've played, the cash shop prices are much lower and many necessities like bank space are account-wide. People can say that we have to pay for the game somehow, but it is a bit too pricey for me given my other choices of games to play. Once I get to the point where the lack of cash shop items is making my play too unpleasant, I will simply stop playing rather than pay these exorbitant prices. Frankly I think they'd make more money if they charged less. I know if the prices were reasonable I'd actually buy stuff...

what am i doing wrong? i have 100k AD at 60.

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