krisb45Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Once you unlock the At Will moves Stab and Shield Slam (think it's 10 points) forget trying to run.
Just raise shield, walk backwards, and poke holes in the horde.
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ghost88chopsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
My GF is around level 23 and I haven't died once so far. Honestly, I still don't know what happens when you die in this game (knock on wood). You just have to be aware of how the class works. First: Block, block, block. You will take no damage (from the front), even from AoE. Second: Your focus in a fight (while soloing) should be maintaining your block bar. You have abilities that refill it, so make sure you use them. The only reason to disengage would be to give it a moment to refill. Third: GF's have an ability that can interrupt enemies. Learn what does the most damage (or reduces your block bar the most) and start timing your interrupts. Fourth: Considering that you can still take damage from behind while blocking, positioning is important. You can move while blocking, so step out those big red spots on the ground when you can (to preserve your block bar), and once you're able to cleave attack while blocking, take advantage of it. If you're having a lot of problems, only come out of block to use the abilities that refill that block bar (Shield Bash, Forceful Taunt, etc). Fifth: Potions. Stock up. I find that I barely need them when I have a Cleric companion. Also, don't be afraid to go back to a campfire and heal real quick if you're close to one. Sixth: Pay attention to the stats on your items. Deflection, defense, even recovery (to speed up the interrupts and charge attacks, they do good damage). I'm probably forgetting some stats, but I'm not in-game at the moment.
Seventh: If all else fails, die with honor.
I hope this helps!
P.S. Oh, and don't forget about feats. Get anything that increases your ability to negate or mitigate damage.
You could just run and hope to get lucky. I ran from a quest area and had a train of 8 or 10 mobs following me. I ran past a GWF who was fighting 3 mobs, his AOE grabbed the guys training behind me and he died in my place. I felt bad about not stopping to thank him, but given what had just happened to him; I figured it may not be the diplomatic thing to do.
You could just run and hope to get lucky. I ran from a quest area and had a train of 8 or 10 mobs following me. I ran past a GWF who was fighting 3 mobs, his AOE grabbed the guys training behind me and he died in my place. I felt bad about not stopping to thank him, but given what had just happened to him; I figured it may not be the diplomatic thing to do.
Lol you don't happen to play on Beholder do you? There was a guy earlier this evening ranting about someone doing that to him.
Lol you don't happen to play on Beholder do you? There was a guy earlier this evening ranting about someone doing that to him.
Nope, I play on Mindflayer. I really did feel bad for it, and wasn't so much running from a fight gone bad so much as I was done questing and didn't want to have to fight my way back out. I mounted, and ran. The poor little GWF just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I've noticed in PVP the only way you will get away running is if a teammate peels for you by applying pressure to your pursuer. Where some might see this as an oversight, and druids from wow might QQQQ about not being able to get away... I think this is a very cool mechanic that will allow more coordinated PVP teams to separate themselves among the ranks....
**THIS MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND**, but maybe the execution style deaths (press F rather than instant death) was implemented to add another element to team oriented combat and peeling. Pro Tip: You can use CC to allow your teammates to evade combat/ save them.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited May 2013
Well, after a nice long "power session", I am now level 22. I got a cleric companion and a loaner horse, both of which have made my life a lot easier. I've also gotten a bunch of gear that provides regen and lifesteal, and now I really feel like a force to be reckoned with. At the same time, some of the new skills and overall better gear has basically made working my way through mobs much much easier.
IMO, it seems like some aspects of low level play deter you from wanting to keep a fast pace going. I no longer have to down potion after potion, like a did before, and my progress isn't plodding like it was before.
Anyway, I'm going to stick w/ this character and see how things play out...
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Well, after a nice long "power session", I am now level 22. I got a cleric companion and a loaner horse, both of which have made my life a lot easier. I've also gotten a bunch of gear that provides regen and lifesteal, and now I really feel like a force to be reckoned with. At the same time, some of the new skills and overall better gear has basically made working my way through mobs much much easier.
IMO, it seems like some aspects of low level play deter you from wanting to keep a fast pace going. I no longer have to down potion after potion, like a did before, and my progress isn't plodding like it was before.
Anyway, I'm going to stick w/ this character and see how things play out...
Good luck to you, and I hope you find it enjoyable.
Its about as pointless as in all other MMOs...they will eventually stop following, but in the meantime you will undoubtably have picked up more followers. If you're gonna die anyway you might as well try...you might get away once in awhile. Don't think "friendly" npcs might help you if you can reach them however...I made that mistake and gave some guards a pretty bloody show as they watched some orcs beat me to death.
I have no idea how you as a Guardian find the need to run away, i usually casually stroll trough camps and aggro things all the way to my quest giver,turn in quest, then proceed to slaughter them all.
You "usually" casually stroll through camps and slaughter them all. Which means that you don't "always", which means sometimes even you, immensely powerful god among men that you are, will sometimes get overwhelmed.
This post wasn't a whine about the guardian being underpowered, or even an implication that the OP is having difficulty with the game. He's asking a very simple question about a game mechanic which is handled very differently in different games, and which inevitably comes up from time to time.
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gillman58Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 11Arc User
edited May 2013
I'm a lv.25 GF. Make sure you have your quick use slots used up by potions. Very little cool down on using them. A ton of end of quest bosses I would have lost without potions.
But to answer you question on running. I've done a fair share of running. The only problem I have in doing that is running into other mobs aggro range. We all know how tightly packed mobs are.
I find another problem that ties into this is, the fact that a G.F. dishes out damage at a lower rate which allows mobs to respawn while you still killing the next bunch. I can take a hockey-sockful of damage, I just don't have much DPS to speak of.
The only part of Dungeon runs I continually place first is the taking damage one. But even that is hard because with all the supposedly aggro grabbing skills, they don't grab very well at all. Part of my beef with dungeons is the lack of need to work together as a team. Everyone just rushes in and start hammering the mobs like a pure action game. I've never had anyone, or group say, send the tank in first, let him grab the aggro. Dungeons so far are boring action runs that rarely give any gear for my class worth mentioning.
Still early days, but I think this game needed another 6 months in the oven.
Not sure if the mobs have the same speed as you, but the Guardian does have a lunge attack that can gain you some ground if you turn to run and use it. Haven't tested it and doubt it would be that helpful, but it's something to consider.
As others have mentioned it's situational. Sometimes you can pull it off if there is terrain to take advantage of or the mob density in the area is low enough to maneuver around. Most of the time your stuck and running will make things worse. Two of my favorite skills for giving me breathing room or a short respite are Terrifying Impact and Frontline Surge. Threatening Rush is also useful for making short leaps and keeping up with mobs that like to move around on you.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited May 2013
Well, I've continued to play, and the main thing seems to be learning how to skirt around groups you don't want to fight, and using your mount to get past whatever groups you do aggro. It's pretty much a forced time-sink, IMO, as other games place mobs in such a way that combat is avoidable, (if you don't want to fight). Here, groups are more densely packed and seem to aggro from further away.
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Just raise shield, walk backwards, and poke holes in the horde.
^^^ this! ^^^
First: Block, block, block. You will take no damage (from the front), even from AoE.
Second: Your focus in a fight (while soloing) should be maintaining your block bar. You have abilities that refill it, so make sure you use them. The only reason to disengage would be to give it a moment to refill.
Third: GF's have an ability that can interrupt enemies. Learn what does the most damage (or reduces your block bar the most) and start timing your interrupts.
Fourth: Considering that you can still take damage from behind while blocking, positioning is important. You can move while blocking, so step out those big red spots on the ground when you can (to preserve your block bar), and once you're able to cleave attack while blocking, take advantage of it. If you're having a lot of problems, only come out of block to use the abilities that refill that block bar (Shield Bash, Forceful Taunt, etc).
Fifth: Potions. Stock up. I find that I barely need them when I have a Cleric companion. Also, don't be afraid to go back to a campfire and heal real quick if you're close to one.
Sixth: Pay attention to the stats on your items. Deflection, defense, even recovery (to speed up the interrupts and charge attacks, they do good damage). I'm probably forgetting some stats, but I'm not in-game at the moment.
Seventh: If all else fails, die with honor.
I hope this helps!
P.S. Oh, and don't forget about feats. Get anything that increases your ability to negate or mitigate damage.
Lol you don't happen to play on Beholder do you? There was a guy earlier this evening ranting about someone doing that to him.
Nope, I play on Mindflayer. I really did feel bad for it, and wasn't so much running from a fight gone bad so much as I was done questing and didn't want to have to fight my way back out. I mounted, and ran. The poor little GWF just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
**THIS MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND**, but maybe the execution style deaths (press F rather than instant death) was implemented to add another element to team oriented combat and peeling. Pro Tip: You can use CC to allow your teammates to evade combat/ save them.
IMO, it seems like some aspects of low level play deter you from wanting to keep a fast pace going. I no longer have to down potion after potion, like a did before, and my progress isn't plodding like it was before.
Anyway, I'm going to stick w/ this character and see how things play out...
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Companion
At level 16, you will receive a free companion through a simple quest that directs you to a companion vendor.
Edit: Sorry, I was too slow with this post. I see you've already leveled up now.
Good luck to you, and I hope you find it enjoyable.
You "usually" casually stroll through camps and slaughter them all. Which means that you don't "always", which means sometimes even you, immensely powerful god among men that you are, will sometimes get overwhelmed.
This post wasn't a whine about the guardian being underpowered, or even an implication that the OP is having difficulty with the game. He's asking a very simple question about a game mechanic which is handled very differently in different games, and which inevitably comes up from time to time.
But to answer you question on running. I've done a fair share of running. The only problem I have in doing that is running into other mobs aggro range. We all know how tightly packed mobs are.
I find another problem that ties into this is, the fact that a G.F. dishes out damage at a lower rate which allows mobs to respawn while you still killing the next bunch. I can take a hockey-sockful of damage, I just don't have much DPS to speak of.
The only part of Dungeon runs I continually place first is the taking damage one. But even that is hard because with all the supposedly aggro grabbing skills, they don't grab very well at all. Part of my beef with dungeons is the lack of need to work together as a team. Everyone just rushes in and start hammering the mobs like a pure action game. I've never had anyone, or group say, send the tank in first, let him grab the aggro. Dungeons so far are boring action runs that rarely give any gear for my class worth mentioning.
Still early days, but I think this game needed another 6 months in the oven.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums