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The problem with control wizards
losabra
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we cant control the bosses or two many of our enemies cant be controlled. When i encounter this i am reduced to being a weak striker. I am assuming later on in the development wizards will be strikers or sorcerers will be introduced, but until then if you want a control wizard you cant take away his control ability when you want the content to be difficult.
Control wizards control abilities need to affect everyone equally or you have gimped the entire class. I should be able to lock down an opponant thats the point of control. I can spec for damage but its still nothing like a striker and i am currently putting my points into control aspect anyway. if you want people to play control wizards once striker wizards or sorcerers are released then return our control abilities to us
Control wizards control abilities need to affect everyone equally or you have gimped the entire class. I should be able to lock down an opponant thats the point of control. I can spec for damage but its still nothing like a striker and i am currently putting my points into control aspect anyway. if you want people to play control wizards once striker wizards or sorcerers are released then return our control abilities to us
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Weak Enemies: are stunned, and have full control effect in fact can be controled at half usual stacks, CC lasts 2x's as long.
Strong types: can be stunned like they are now, requires building stacks, and can be CC'd normally.
Boss: cant be stunned or CC'd however, Chill reduces the boss's attack speed, and damage by 1% per stack
Additionally i'd love to see them do the CoH/V system that you know they designed!
Every boss has a magnitude level, using CC on a target won't instantly control them but several CC's in a row will build magnitude. When you build enough magnitude, the boss can be CC'd for a short duration. Was like half duration in CoH/V for arch villians i think.
some ideas.
Don't worry about CCing bosses, you aren't supposed to.
So you are OP in pvp and against everything else, but you are whining about bosses? Lol what a crock.
This, and we rock at this! Well, i do at least.
If this is way game plays i guess i'll end up waiting on the warlock or something...
As opposed to having a class that just heals and a class that just tanks? Control has always been a role in party based MMOs, but it was often forgotten because so few bosses could be controlled or had adds, and everything before the bosses was so easy. This isn't "gimmicky" this is a great way to fix control classes so they are always useful. You have GFs that tank the boss, GWFs that DPS and tank the adds, CWs that DPS and control the ADDS, and TRs that DPS the boss, while the DC stands back and makes everyone better at what they are doing with buffs, debuffs, minor controls, and heals. It's fine.
I really don't care about pvp, I think CW suck there. My concern is were are all about control, not damage, if our control abilities don't work there's no point to our class. If you know anything about Dungeons and Dragons edition 4 then you have an idea of what they are going to release next. warlock strikers and wizards that are strikers. no one will roll a control wizard when the option for damage is there. I don't want to be add clean up I want to control the battle field as a control wizard in dungeon and dragons does. And for the life of me I cant think of monster that you couldn't use some form of CC on in dungeons and dragons. So I really don't think its an issue. Step out side your box and realize in the d&D world anything was possible with magic.
Add slows if you don't want the bosses frozen reduce his damage when we chill him allow some of the effect to take affect if he fails is saving throw. When the wizards magic takes affect it should be bad for the enemy. The occasional knock back or down or up isn't going to change the outcome of the fight. I'll give you a hint we're going to win eventually.
its up to them mess it up and control wizards will disappear in their place will be the striker wizards, I bet most wizards are already just specking damage without messing with increasing the control aspects of the class anyway, but I like wizards who can do both decently, then we don't have to have a lot of dps but we can still kill like a wizard. lets see what happens.
Yes, Control Wizards are Controllers and focus on control, funnily enough. Control abilities do work, they work on adds, which are a very major factor in later boss battles. In fact currently the adds are what make most fights really difficult, not the bosses themselves. Your roll is not diminished in a boss battle, it's made even more important. Nobody cares if the boss is controlled, because the boss is weaksauce with a billion HP. It's controlling the 500 adds that spawn that determines whether you win or wipe.
^^^^^^^^This ^^^^^
Character is what a man is in the dark
Really don't understand the gripe. By far one of the best classes in game.
being a control wizard I care, I want my signature abilities to work on all enemies ala dungeons and dragons. I am not coming from an MMO perspective I am coming from a D&D perspective. If the devs wish this game to be any old mmo then keep going if they want it flavored with the pen and paper game then they need make sure the wizard abilities work on all enemies in some fashion.
No need to tank it if it's controlled, no need to worry about heals if everything is controlled potions would suffice for the odd time you get hit cause you didn't teleport at the right time.
A 5 man party of control wizards or a 3 control wizards and 2 rogues would trivialize all the content in teh game if you could CC bosses.
OP in PvP and everything else huh? lolol
Using "crowd control" is one of the most important factors to gaming regardless of pnp or on a PC. It's actually even more important in most well ran pnp campaigns; only a fool would say Web was useless. Even then, the roleplay that's frequently used in pnp sessions usually devolves into "crowd control" when negociating with an NPC.
Think out side the box.
In this game, the CW is just as important as any other role. Quick thinking and good reaction times can make the difference of needing a heal or needing a resurection. Mitigate the MOB's ability to defeat the players by selective nuking and broad crowd control.
Too many people want to play games putting themselves first and forgeting it's entirely about teamwork.
I'm enjoying playing a Control Wizard although I've only reached level 25.
This...this..this. CW's aren't pure DPS, not supposed to be. We are add control with a decent helping of DPS on the side.
So what if we can't lock down bosses? Isn't that what the GW is for, controlling the boss?
The only time this is really ever an issue is solo quest bosses. It definitely makes things more challenging. But the handful or so times that I've run into this so far I've been able to handle by using my dodge and pots. Makes for a long fight but I don't want everything to be faceroll, ya know?
I do like the idea of incorporating some light CC like from CoH/V but isn't a deal breaker for me.
Peace, Myst
Yes +1 certainly this! This is one of the reasons i Deleted my CW to level a TR in it's place, cause TR can CC too but does a TON more damage.
At some point, players who play other than CW, will be able to deal with adds w/o having a CW in their party and then what ? reroll i guess ???
The way I see it, Control Wizards are supposed to handle the adds and throw a few spells at the boss when the opportunity arises.
Control Wizards should NOT be given to much burst damage since this will lead to class homogenisation which plagued WoW. The classes should all have different roles.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
Although I do think there needs to at least need to be the ability to get stacks of "Chill" on Boss Mobs. It sucks when there are no adds and I know I am doing sub par DPS on a Boss because I have zero stacks of Chill on them. I am constantly panning my camera looking for adds just so that I can feel useful again.
Don't forget about the "Snap Freeze" damage feat as well. While it's a little lackluster since it's only cold damage, it's definitely worth considering if you're looking to boost your boss damage output.
sorry to tell you it does not change. We do more damage but our control time is no longer than 1 sec and if we use those control abilities we get almost as bad agro as clerics