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drakedge2
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So I wanted to check out some of the new foundry content that has been coming out by awesome authors. I click on "New" and start scrolling through... tons of
"Training grounds!" - kill as many mobs as you can HAMSTER
"Easy as 123" kill waves and waves of mobs!
"hack and slash mayhem!" - waves of nothing but brute ogres so you can easily dodge their attacks and kill them.
The list goes on, and on, and on, and... on.
I knew this garbage was coming but it's just sad. Prologue has taken me 52 hours to craft, Chapter one took 54 hours, chapter two took 72 hours because limbo was a pain in the *** to test, place, and build.
I could easily whip up one of these things in less than ten minutes, publish it, and have ten thousand plays.
I know it's the nature of the beast, I just needed to rant in a public space lol. Send me your awesome stories, engaging foundry content I want to see it, heck I want to play it WITH you so I can ask questions as we go.
"Training grounds!" - kill as many mobs as you can HAMSTER
"Easy as 123" kill waves and waves of mobs!
"hack and slash mayhem!" - waves of nothing but brute ogres so you can easily dodge their attacks and kill them.
The list goes on, and on, and on, and... on.
I knew this garbage was coming but it's just sad. Prologue has taken me 52 hours to craft, Chapter one took 54 hours, chapter two took 72 hours because limbo was a pain in the *** to test, place, and build.
I could easily whip up one of these things in less than ten minutes, publish it, and have ten thousand plays.
I know it's the nature of the beast, I just needed to rant in a public space lol. Send me your awesome stories, engaging foundry content I want to see it, heck I want to play it WITH you so I can ask questions as we go.
A story driven quest, with a fun and challenging amount of combat, that takes you into the world of Planescape, carefully hand crafted by me.
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"Perfecting the art of being a meatshield since 1998"
Banners of the Light
"Perfecting the art of being a meatshield since 1998"
Banners of the Light
Feel free to give my quest (March of the Destroyer) a whirl. It's not my best work, but I like to think it's at least decent... and so do the people who played it so far (there's an obligatory Mr. One-Star, but all quests have those
Getting good content to players in the Foundry - challenges and solutions
Handle: @zaphtastic
(NB: I have nothing against farming or powerleveling... it's the player's decision to make. What I DO have something against is not having any kind of separation between farming and story quests... like tags. HINT HINT)
Getting good content to players in the Foundry - challenges and solutions
Handle: @zaphtastic
Ravenloft
Look for@Apocrs1980 or visit the main page here or Ravenloft here
Rofl, I know right? People like those in those in this thread labor for hours and hours to get a 25 minute average play time out of their quest.
Meanwhile trollfacemcgee over there spends 5 minutes in the foundry lays down a ton of easy mobs, and one objective to get to the end of the map and bam, instant hit.
I tried to play one, the "Easy as 123" that has been getting spammed with plays and zone chatter. Nothing but ogres, lots and lots of ogres, stacked ontop of each other in two large groups, kill them and you get your reward chest. Group can cut through it in 8 minutes.
I want to play your quests. What's your @ Drak?
At first I was half tempted to send hatemail to the "authors" of those grind "quests" but that would do no one anygood lol.
Then I was tempted to whip one of these lolfests together in 2 minutes on the foundry, but then I didn't want to tarnish my rep as an Author.
I will be add ing the author s here to my list.
Head of PR
http://www.gamersaurs.com/
I can't totally fault them though least when it comes to the times they're searching one to achieve the AD daily.
Whether this means it'll be added in a week, a month, or a year (or never) depends on your level of cynicism.
Getting good content to players in the Foundry - challenges and solutions
Handle: @zaphtastic
Ravenloft
Look for@Apocrs1980 or visit the main page here or Ravenloft here
By the sound of it, we'll get tags eventually, which is probably an ideal compromise. (If tags are chosen appropriately, unlike with guilds where people seem to check every available tag.)
Also, from a pragmatic standpoint, there's no point in trying to nerf what they're doing -- it'll only lead to tears. This is pretty much proven by the COH MA's 3.5-year track record (and I assume the STO foundry as well).
tldr: Everyone should read THIS post. If we don't learn from the past, we're doomed to make the same mistakes over and over.
Getting good content to players in the Foundry - challenges and solutions
Handle: @zaphtastic
As for telling people how to play the game, ya can't really do that. However, that does not mean that play style should be allowed to take over the foundry. which at it's heart SHOULD be so much more then a tool for power levelers. It's not about playstyles, but about the image that the Foundry portrays.
If everyone just sees the Foundry as a gimmick that allows people to power level, and Cryptic or the rest of the community just go "eh let them play how they want" then the rest of the gaming community will see the Foundry as a complete joke, when it has infinite more potential.
There is a fine line between telling people how to play because that play style clashes with your own, and telling people how to play because it degrades the entire system as a whole.
The line has to be drawn somewhere, just like it always has. Just like freedom of speech has it's boundaries, some does play styles. If the Foundry flops, because all the quality quests are buried under pages and pages of power level crud, then who do we have to blame?
Us! for just sitting back and trying to be the good guys and hoping it will all just run it's due course.
And in my opinion, my honest opinion, I don't think there SHOULD be any of these marketed power level quests allowed. I think it will help the Foundry as a whole, because these kinds of quests are just useless filler. Imagine a Foundry where the only quest allowed were ones that at least attempted to be more then just a hack-n-slash. Not saying to has to be top quality, but at least an attempt. How many more plays will everyone get, when there is less to sift through. How much better will the general Neverwinter public opinion be of the Foundry when they don't have to sift through tons and tons of these quests to find one that someone actually put work into.
It's like spam email. You can have one important email in that inbox somwhere, but you just as soon select all and delete instead of sorting through 200 useless "grow bigger" or "free money" or whatever HAMSTER. Same with the Foundry. How many people will just give up instead of having to do that.
Tags won't solve it either. Most of these degenerate authors will just tag their quests with ALL the tags, to guarantee people are forced to see them.
No matter what you do, farm quests will be there. With a tag system, people could just opt to filter out those tags entirely, and thus be able to actually find 'real' content. This also addresses the problem of farm quests with 'every single tag on the planet'.
Getting good content to players in the Foundry - challenges and solutions
Handle: @zaphtastic
Quality over quantity, I say!
A Friendly Reminder (NW-DAQN7H5GO) - Short, solo, story-driven quest.
Let the "Training grounds" and the "ZERG FEST" have their place. I like story, I like challenge, and I like a foundry that is different. If you like something simple (golf clap) GOOD FOR YOU. So be it. The foundry has those set of people it caters to. Let them be catered. Likewise, if you enter a foundry that says: (Recommends 3+Companions and/or heavy fighting) and it has a ton of mobs - I would Not give it 1 or 2 or 3 stars because of that. It is all in the eye of the beholder (lol). If I read a foundry quest/mission that says it is has allot of fetching quests. I, again, would not hold the foundry quest/mission at fault (unless the quests were boring and uneventful).
There will be tons of great content. There will be even more content which is average - yet, sadly, there will be (even more-so) more content that will be generic and bland. If someone wants to do a foundry quest/mission about barbecue sauce - you never know... and let them have their giggles. Even if you do not like it, someone else might. That is what the foundry is for. For the barbecue sauce lovers versus the serious stories versus the training grounds versus the most generic quests. Everyone can see and play what they like and if it is tooooooo boring - you can always leave or finish and give them a poor rating.
As for the farming thing....
I find most encounters EASY. Sometimes the only way to make it a challenge is to throw a few well place mobs together. 1 Encounter.... even on "HARD" is not 'hard' for me. Two encounters can be difficult, or still easy. For someone else, it may too "tough" and for someone else "TOO EASY."It is hard to balance the game sometimes. I will never judge a person or a foundry badly that tells me upfront it, that it is difficult and fight intensive, and it has 2 "HARD" encounters near each other.