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blackphoenixbg
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Let me start by saying i spend pretty much an hour changing around sliders and options in the creation menu until i thought i was happy. And of course as in many games it all goes in game, when a single ray of different light or different angle changes everything.
I love Cryptic, i love how Cryptic gave us the ability to freely change some aspects of our heroes in previous games. Those options are free (so to speak) in both Star trek online and Champions online. Because it's all on the same engine - the character models were never the strong points of none of those games - including Neverwinter. But at least there is the option to change everything we want for mere ingame currency.
And then Perfect World bought Cryptic , Took control of the making of Neverwinter and immediately put everything they could under the zen section - slapping a price tag on everything they could, even on things that were not necessarily and free in previous titles. I guess most of you will call it f2p business model, I call it pure greed.
So tell me, if the tailor was a free option in the past games, what changes now and why should it be a cash store option ?
I love Cryptic, i love how Cryptic gave us the ability to freely change some aspects of our heroes in previous games. Those options are free (so to speak) in both Star trek online and Champions online. Because it's all on the same engine - the character models were never the strong points of none of those games - including Neverwinter. But at least there is the option to change everything we want for mere ingame currency.
And then Perfect World bought Cryptic , Took control of the making of Neverwinter and immediately put everything they could under the zen section - slapping a price tag on everything they could, even on things that were not necessarily and free in previous titles. I guess most of you will call it f2p business model, I call it pure greed.
So tell me, if the tailor was a free option in the past games, what changes now and why should it be a cash store option ?
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Is it possible to buy new character slots in the cash store? or can u only get the additional 3 slots if you splash out and give the greedy people $200
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
Regarding a change character appearance for free idea, while I do understand where you're coming from (I have redone my elven control wizard five times myself, and will again desperately trying to remove that weird looking head and neck angle from the body, though I think it's impossible), I just don't see it happening. I have never played any F2P or B2P game, where such a thing is free. It is just too "easy" an option for a cash shop item, it's purely cosmetic, the demand is medium to high sooner or later, and no one can start af pay 2 win debate over the look of a character.
I can't remeber the price of character appearance change, but I do support them charging for it, as long as it's not like $10 for each token. At least in a MMO we get the opportunity, in most single player RPGs it is not an option and one is stuck with a weird looking character due to the lighting being bad ingame where as it was fine in the character creation screen. Personally I would prefer an "ingame previewer", where you could walk around testing the character instead.
Well free as in paid for by ingame gold coins, and not AD or Zen.
yes exactly
Gold is redundant as it stands.
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how about demanding for free bags, potions, companions, mounts as well?
I don't know what some people expect from a F2P game, they have to make there money somehow -.-
OB is PWE's term for release, they think it absolves them of all responsibility.
Want to know why Neverwinter is so laggy? Check out the "Latency" section in this thread.
What do some people expect? Cash shops like GW2, PoE, LoL, and a few others. Mainly cosmetic items along with things like renames, bags, bank space, character slots, ect are the most popular western cash shops. I said in my other post and I'll say it again, I haven't seen the shop for myself yet so I'm waiting to decide just how bad it is. It may not be as bad as some people and my friends are making it out to be. But when my friends tell me its the typical PWI cash shop that doesn't give me much hope.
The "they have to make money somehow" argument is a tired argument. Plenty of other f2p games have shown how not to be considered one of the greediest f2p companies (PWI not the cryptic devs) and still make money hand over fist.
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The "they have to make money somehow" argument is a tired argument. Plenty of other f2p games have shown how not to be considered one of the greediest f2p companies (PWI not the cryptic devs) and still make money hand over fist.[/QUOTE]
It's not really an argument, more of a statement - they need income from somewhere and in my opinion,
And am i asking for this ?
Im just asking for something that has always been free in Cryptic's games, before the money hungry PW took over.
The more i think of it, the more hilarious it gets. 200 zen for a single character edit. It doesn't matter if i want to change a single tiny slider or color - or remake everything, the price is the same in both case..
Now, the comment about how the companies need a way to make money in a f2p title.. Really guys.. That argument ? So you are saying what, that PW will go bankrupt if they stop charging a single tiny feature that has ALWAYS been FREE in it's developer's other successful f2p titles ?
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Indeed thats exactly what PW is like, BUT you have to factor in a lot of the players are Cryptic fans and are coming in from CO and STO and expecting this Champs engine game to have the same level of basic toon customization as it 2 forefathers. But what they are seeing is the PW model and it seems like a backwards step. Dont take my word for it have a look here . The STO and CO players wont stay to long if the toon maker stays this rubbish.
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Somewhere? lol..the are getting money from every possible way they can think of.
Quite frankly Cryptic LIED to us.
Shame on Cryptic for using the whole "character customization as indepth as other titles" they lauded early on during NWN's development. We were all pretty much assured by Cryptic that NWN would have as deep and rich a customizer as Champions, but with the newer technologies they learned on STO.
I remember them referencing both tailors during the development of NWN. In both CO and STO the in game customizer was very robust and practically free (you had to pay a very minor sum of in-game currency).
Additional costume options, unlocks, and such were available through the cash shop as well as in game. Paragon (which later became Cryptic) made their money that way, and they continued to have success that way with CO and STO.
Now with NWN they completely borked that. One of the main selling points of CoH/CoV, CO and later STO -was- the tailor.
Those games launched with a subscription fee. The tailor wasn't free, it cost $15/month.
This game has no sub fee. It instead has the model Cryptic WANTED to use from the start in STO, but couldn't due to Atari. The tailor is only free in STO today because of that; changing it now would be too controversial.
If you want to get the feel of the STO model from launch, buy $15 worth of tailor tokens every month whether you use them or not.
Now, if they had an outfit system with lots of parts you could interchange, then $ to change appearance would be horrible. But this game went with the normal fantasy-game "your appearance is based on your loot" thing. And even then, they DID include "free" (astral diamonds, lots of 'em) appearance shifting for your gear.
edit: and yes, based on earlier games of theirs, I was expecting an extensive costume system. I've even figured out a way it could have worked with loot-based appearance:
Each character starts with a basic set of armor parts for their class. When you get new armor (boss drops, blue & purple items, quest uniques, achievements, crafting, etc) it unlocks more bits - new torsos, new shoulderpads, new reinforcements, etc. That way, there's 1. a reason to look forward to new loot, and 2. a brand new level 1 can't make their armor as fancy as a lv60 with epics. Unless, of course, they buy some additional costume packs from the zen store, like all the outfit packs in STO.
The tailoring option in STO was always a paid for feature for subscribers, and then energy credits i b
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The costume editing stuff in CO was always a paid for feature...
You could earn a way to change yourself in game, i dont recall what it was but you got a free token somehow. After that it was paid for.
Its not suddenly changed because of PWI. In actuality, changing your characters appearence should cost money as you should take the time you want to make it right at the start. Nobody forces you to rush that process...
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Not to mention it's $2.
You opinion is worth whatever income they get from you, apparently nothing.