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Clerics end game a broken class is this being looked at by PW???
shingyee
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Join Date: Dec 2012
As Best as I can tell cleric is prety much a broken class end game.
1.We caint heal as good as heal pots or as fast.
2. We caint tank as well.
3. We caint dps as wel.
4. We caint heal at all and not get aggro, I am not talking about Over healing and getting aggro.
5. We caint choose in the middle of the massive who we are healing with all the movement that has to happen to avoid red circles.
6. Groups complain because a lot of clerics are just standing their doing nothing trying not to get the 6-12 elits that spawned on us and die, and get locked out of the encounter lol.:mad:
Join Date: Dec 2012
As Best as I can tell cleric is prety much a broken class end game.
1.We caint heal as good as heal pots or as fast.
2. We caint tank as well.
3. We caint dps as wel.
4. We caint heal at all and not get aggro, I am not talking about Over healing and getting aggro.
5. We caint choose in the middle of the massive who we are healing with all the movement that has to happen to avoid red circles.
6. Groups complain because a lot of clerics are just standing their doing nothing trying not to get the 6-12 elits that spawned on us and die, and get locked out of the encounter lol.:mad:
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Watch good end game groups ... 1 of every class ... the game is just designed differently then what people are used to ... Example the green dragon fight Idris I think ... they use a wizard to kite the boss and EVERYONE including the tank handles adds ... the cleric builds as an OT/Healer ... look at some of the high end builds and the high end gear ... a lot has deflection on it ... they intended you to be mobile and the group to have to shift off of the main boss ... and as far as dps ... if you are aoeing and not crushing damage charts ... gotta come to some self realizations man ... up your game because clerics are beastly dps and amazing OT/Healers/Buff/Debuff depending on what specific role you are filling ... Epic dungeons require serious coordination and players
I like this reply. Too bad that I probably might be one of those incompetent sorts for a while...
My tier 1 gear and some of my tier 2 gear has less defense and deflection than some Green 60 drops... I don't think we are intended to be off-tanks... our description is Leader / Controller so if anything we should be off-controllers and buffing, debuffing and healing as a primary... You could ague that face tanking and kiting entire packs of mobs around while your dps kill them counts as controlling I guess... in a warped and rather disappointing way.
Most people playing D&D 4ED and people coming from MMO's will not expect the cleric to be off tanking or main tanking dungeons, I do not think this is the original intention or design for the devoted cleric.
Not necessarily OT at all times ... your group should be handling adds at ALL times ... that is a change from big guy tanks it all and healer hides in the back dps groups up ... trash that thought ... clerics/rogues/wizards need to be able to take a hit or two ... because of all the adds ... twitch.tv/piexoxo ... has progression 8300 dungeons ... watch the fights ... the cleric is buffing the area and healing but every time 92873492734 adds jump him he calls it and the whole team switches and clears the adds ... more mobile and more fun but their cleric needed to survive the opening wtf blast ... also with a proper tank you have a damage reduction circle to stay in for safety and ease of gathering most melee adds
and if you are disappointed by a different school of thought on action adventure gameplay ... roll a different class ^_^
I run with a preset up group and we are on adds the vast majority of the time, in fact we even run with 2 GWF, 1 GF, 1 CW and myself as a DC... so our aoe damage is pretty effective at taking down the constant stream of adds attacking me... but it does not change the point that the vast majority of people will not have expected to roll a tank when picking the cleric, and you may as well be the tank right now only with -40% less self-healing and gear that does not facilitate your unannounced roll. Even with these set backs your still capable of tanking the dungeons sure... but is that good for a class that was not sold as a tank? I honestly don't think it is.
Anyways, from many videos I saw and some actual high level end game cleric's perspective, they are actually doing pretty well. I guess it ultimately comes down to play style and how well your party can coordinate.
It would be helpful if you at least provided enough information that people could find this videos of the supposed number one group in the world. Although a link would be better.
provided in earlier post ... twitch.tv/piexoxo ... videos on the side ... they are in castle never currently ... they cleared most 8k dungeons yesterday
Most of us are using pugs to lvl and do dailies, and at 38 im still missing some gear cos everyone keeps NEEDING on everything that drops....
All of this was a joke right? The cleric my group uses destroys on heals. I have not used a heal pot in so long. Clear all the t1 epic dungeons easy. Pulling large groups.
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That cleric also spends 50% of his time doing nothing. He casts Astral Shield, Astral Seal, and Brand of the Sun then stands around doing nothing on trash pulls. I don't know his spec exactly but he has 2 encounters he doesn't seem to be using much, or at all.
For bosses jump to 2:25:00 in this video http://www.twitch.tv/piexoxo/b/397490524 and watch health bars. The cleric is taking a serious beating and almost dies several times. He's taking more damage then everyone else. They eventually wipe actually but not before the rogue turns around and you can see the cleric having a mass of mobs on him.
I'm really not sure that proves your point at all.
It looks to me like exactly what I've experienced. Clerics get add aggro and have to off-tank, period.
So the cleric almost died a few times in an epic level 8k dungeon ... and one of the 2 wipes before making a progression kill the last 2 people alive had a cleric being massacred ... man I was wrong .. wait ...
this is a f2p game. it's not supposed to cater to one percenters. more people will pug than run organized groups
and unspecified is correct - unless the other 4 players are tanking the mobs, the cleric will be. the issue is not so much cleric threat as it is a total lack of on-demand aoe snap aggro for guardian fighters.
and stop calling it a beta. there will never be an official release. this is as much of a 'beta' as path of exile currently is. they are calling it a beta to mask the unfinished aspects of the game while opening up the cash shop to start raking in your money. it's NOT a beta.
Perhaps later they made a kill but at 2:32:00 they give up. They do not make a kill. They were talking about how nice it would be to knock adds off the edge but the cleric didn't pull out Sun Burst and just throw things over. None of that is really relevant though.
The point is that saying the cleric just has to kite around a bit (kiting is often the worst solution) and add aggro isn't a problem, or that clerics aren't off-tanks is incorrect.
Personally I have no issue with the way things are. If you go to my videos and read that thread I took the approach of accepting I need to be built to tank. The group I run with doesn't have a GF currently because Astral Shield basically makes everyone a tank. I have no issues healing or staying alive most of the time.
Maybe you are actually a founder but since you have no forum title I'm assuming not. Which means you are presenting arguments based entirely on watching other people play.
I only care about this because it seems like you are spreading misinformation based on no experience. That doesn't help anybody.
If there is something in the zen store other then healing stones that makes this game easy please tell me so I can buy it
I would love to have GF around, just haven't found one to run with yet. Sounds like we're at the same progression point though I haven't tried Mad Dragon yet but have cleared Idriss a few times... stupid purple orbs remove Astral Shield from the ground, makes that fight interesting without a GF.
I really think the best way to do end-game stuff is Cleric tanks adds near the and GF tanks the boss. With the combined damage reduction both can put out and cleric healing they should both be fine. Then have the CW and GWF nuke the adds around the cleric with AoE while the rogue works on the boss. Possibly have the GWF tank some adds as well.
I just don't believe for a second the "stand in the back and never get touched healer" some people seem to want will ever be a viable option. Instead it's "Stand in the circle and get tickled while you cast healers" that will work out well.
I'm sorry, but I've been running epic dungeons for days now, and I absolutely dominate on healing. I'm specced for all crit and healing, and divine power gain. I've been thinking about making a thread about my build, maybe I should.
This would be the Cleric I referenced earlier in my post.
better conversation by more informed people ^_^ same subject ... and trust me ... it is just your perception about having to build to tank ... it is ok though you can stay a baddie with me ... I am not a good gamer either
OMG YES, I love this reply.
What Class Are You?
stop typing like that! what's with the 1000+ "..."? For god's sake you are 30 already, type like an adult
Clerics need their healing given back to them, they need to become relevant or they will not be taken to serious dungeon groups, all the non clerics or level 20 clerics hear spouting nonsense will not be happy at endgame when their class is irrelevant
Try to look at this post: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?157861-Videos-Cleric-Epic-Dungeon-Runs-and-Build.
Really impressive DC play and some well thought out propositions for feats and skills. Yes, it doesn't show a "standard" MMO healer, but I doubt that was intended from Cryptics side anyway, just like CW and GWF aren't meant are pure damage dealers.