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is an archer class even possible?
libertine17
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With the way the game is designed (with two at-will attacks, three encounter attacks, and 2 daily attacks) is it even possible to have an archer class? Splitting up ranged and melee attacks with only those few options to use them would be very restrictive unless you allow archers to shoot while in melee.
In addition, no other class can change weapons, they are limited to one mode of combat. I can see why no archer class is in the game currently.
Has any dev ever discussed these issues? I love playing archer classes but I am beginning to think it may not happen.
In addition, no other class can change weapons, they are limited to one mode of combat. I can see why no archer class is in the game currently.
Has any dev ever discussed these issues? I love playing archer classes but I am beginning to think it may not happen.
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If you are an Archer you will be an archer indefinitely. There are plenty of Archer-Based encounters and at-wills to make it possible.
This is purely my personal opinion on the subject.
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I've been playing TERA while waiting for Neverwinter and I concur ---- it's entirely possible to make a very fun class with only the bow. Mind you, the archer in Tera DOES have some melee attacks (well, one so far) including a neat spinning kick that stuns a foe in melee (to give you time to get away).
I'm going to have to resist the temptation to fill all my available character slots, so I have room left for an archer (hopefully we won't have TOO long to wait).
The second thing would be like the rouge has the thing where if they go invisible their skills are slightly different maybe the archer has something like that. This might be more likely. They could maybe add an element that archers can have banes tipped arrows, like if you know your going to fight a warewolf, wolf bane arrow. (just an idea)>
personally i would love to play an archer for beta their normally my fav class.
In STO you can be armed with a phaser, but if somebody is within melee range, every character can hit them with a palm strike (if armed with a pistol) or a rifle butt (if armed with a rifle). Additionally, there are powers that cause you to perform a similar melee strike.
They could simply make it so that if your target is too close for an arrow, you kick him. No need to switch weapons at all.
You just did; these are official forums, they read them.
Because in all flavours of D&D if you try to use a missile weapon adjacent to someone trying to hit you in melee they get an a free attack on you. I hadn't realized that rule had gone by the wayside in NWO.
"All flavors" is not correct. Up until 2nd Edition AD&D, there were no rules regarding such attacks. 2e added rules for moving out of melee, but you could go up to half your speed without provoking an attack, and there were no rules regarding missile weapons, just fleeing from melee.
Attacks of opportunity for using a missile weapon weren't added until 3e, which means D&D existed without this rule for almost exactly twice as long as it's had it.
However, it hasn't exactly "gone by the wayside", since this combat is not turn-based, and the animations are rooted; if you're standing there using ranged attacks, you aren't moving out of melee range, and melee attacks tend to do more damage than ranged attacks, for balance reasons.
Attacks of opportunity are a relic of turn-based combat; they're not really a meaningful concept here.
Problem solved?
I don't think character creation on rails is the way to go. It's going to be a challenge to make the various ranged classes feel different enough from each other to get people interested in playing multiple ones. In CO, they did various things, such as playing off of bleeds or dodges- will that translate well enough when all the other options and choices are take out of the equation? It will be interesting to see what they learned from CO and how it translates into NW.
because that is stupid and un realistic, archers have always generally have melee attacks its kinda part of being an archer. like see u name me one archer hero who doesn't also use melee. or even real life history. (archers had short sword with them).
wizards are different, their powers would have no logical reason not 2 work in close combat. like obv ur be able to say something .. blah blah. but like an archer is about precision. example in a fps a sniper will swap to a pistal (normally) in close combat.
Woah, woah, woah. Better gear down there, big shifter.
You're talking about a game with orcs, wizards, magical undead dracoliches, etc, etc...So someone can conjure a missile made out or pure magic from their hand, but yet, you have a beef with archer's being able to fire a bow at point blank range.
Hell, shooting someone with a longbow at close range is likely to send an arrow straight through them.
Guys, it's freaking Dungeon and Dragons! The game is inherently based on the unrealistic. It's call fantasy, which is essentially the exact opposite of realism.